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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 10:01:14 GMT -5
I'm done trying to debate the 2 players, this is dumb. 177 million for all glove and average to below average bat is going to cripple this organization who already is reluctant to spend big dollars. I'd be done too if I was wrong. He is a fucking SHORTSTOP if you have an ALL GLOVE guy who can be a league average bat that's a HUGE plus , not something that's going to cripple the organization. Where does his bat place among shortstops ? Where is his WAR among shortstops ? How the fuck can you compare a shortstops to all other positions when you say average or below , that's almost a given with the position to have a below average of league average bat at the position .
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 10:10:05 GMT -5
Yup, case rested, Swanson sucks offensively. He has a 3.1 offensive WAR Bryant has a 0.0 , so if Swanson sucks offensively where does that put Bryant ? Swanson has 3 shortstops this season with a higher WAR , Seager , Witt and Lindor that's a real organization crippler isn't it ?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 10:20:13 GMT -5
Yup, case rested, Swanson sucks offensively. He has a 3.1 offensive WAR Bryant has a 0.0 , so if Swanson sucks offensively where does that put Bryant ? Swanson has 3 shortstops this season with a higher WAR , Seager , Witt and Lindor that's a real organization crippler isn't it ? For 177 million, don't be an idiot.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 10:26:22 GMT -5
Yup, case rested, Swanson sucks offensively. He has a 3.1 offensive WAR Bryant has a 0.0 , so if Swanson sucks offensively where does that put Bryant ? Swanson has 3 shortstops this season with a higher WAR , Seager , Witt and Lindor that's a real organization crippler isn't it ? Bryant had an injury riddle shitty last 2 season, correct. Why is this comparison taking place? What are you trying to prove here? Swanson also has 12 shortstops this season with a higher wRC+ with at least 400 PAs. Offensively he's almost a pit. Let's take it further... Swanson has the 114th best wRC+ in all of baseball and his 177 million is the 25th highest in all of baseball.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 10:27:25 GMT -5
Swanson is NOT above criticism. He's paid a lot of money to be more than just a gold glove, which hasn't been so golden the last month or 2.
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Post by foolforthecity on Sept 27, 2023 11:22:46 GMT -5
Can you imagine how much Ozzie Smith would be making today. How many times did he hit 20 HR?
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 11:53:23 GMT -5
He has a 3.1 offensive WAR Bryant has a 0.0 , so if Swanson sucks offensively where does that put Bryant ? Swanson has 3 shortstops this season with a higher WAR , Seager , Witt and Lindor that's a real organization crippler isn't it ? Bryant had an injury riddle shitty last 2 season, correct. Why is this comparison taking place? What are you trying to prove here? Swanson also has 12 shortstops this season with a higher wRC+ with at least 400 PAs. Offensively he's almost a pit. Let's take it further... Swanson has the 114th best wRC+ in all of baseball and his 177 million is the 25th highest in all of baseball. What does Bryants 0.0 oWAR in 2023 have to do with the last 2 seasons ? And again SHORTSTOP is fucking DEFENSIVE position first for most teams so comparing his wRC+ to other positions in baseball is fucking stupid, period. Nobody is saying he's an offensive force , I just said he's a solid RBI guy and you say he sucks offensively yet still have your head up Bryant's ass who is not as productive as Swanson has been with the bat in recent years and HE (KB) plays and I use that term loosely an offensive first position be it OF corners or when he played 3b or plays 1B. Why do you NEVER consider the position a guy plays and ONLY look at wRC+ to judge a player? Are you really saying that as an all around player that Swanson FOR HIS POSITION is not one of the better all around shortstops? Again , keep in mind that SS is a defensive position first for most teams and it is THE direction the Cubs clearly said they'd be focusing on , strong D , yet you babble about his wRC + and only judge him by that , how and why does that perspective make any sense ?
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 12:01:03 GMT -5
Swanson is NOT above criticism. He's paid a lot of money to be more than just a gold glove, which hasn't been so golden the last month or 2. Correct he is NOT above criticism , but to say he's a potentially organizationally crippling contract is pretty fucking stupid, sorry for being so blunt. When is baseball history did it happen that a shortstop hitting 25 doubles, 3 triples, 22 homers , 80 rbi's ,752 OPS became an offensive problem ? Lets see your list of better all around shortstops playing the game today ? No need to post stats, because I know you'll only use wRC+ and totally ignore I said all around , I'm just interested to see who you think is better .
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 13:15:14 GMT -5
Swanson is NOT above criticism. He's paid a lot of money to be more than just a gold glove, which hasn't been so golden the last month or 2. Correct he is NOT above criticism , but to say he's a potentially organizationally crippling contract is pretty fucking stupid, sorry for being so blunt. When is baseball history did it happen that a shortstop hitting 25 doubles, 3 triples, 22 homers , 80 rbi's ,752 OPS became an offensive problem ? Lets see your list of better all around shortstops playing the game today ? No need to post stats, because I know you'll only use wRC+ and totally ignore I said all around , I'm just interested to see who you think is better . Jason Heyward's 180 million crippled the Cubs, don't start this shit. Ok, how about OPS+? He's 88th in the MLB and 14th amongst SS with at least 400 PAs. How about BA? Lets go old school like RBI.... he's tied with Tim fucking Anderson at 19th amongst SS. How about hard hit %? He's 16th in MLB amongst SS, which is 2 spots ahead of Javy Baez. I don't know, I guess my expectations for 177 million dollars, which is the 25th highest contract in baseball is a little higher than most, because I know how this turns out when the Cubs need to dish out another big contract, like the 200+ million Bellinger is going to seek.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 14:30:41 GMT -5
Correct he is NOT above criticism , but to say he's a potentially organizationally crippling contract is pretty fucking stupid, sorry for being so blunt. When is baseball history did it happen that a shortstop hitting 25 doubles, 3 triples, 22 homers , 80 rbi's ,752 OPS became an offensive problem ? Lets see your list of better all around shortstops playing the game today ? No need to post stats, because I know you'll only use wRC+ and totally ignore I said all around , I'm just interested to see who you think is better . Jason Heyward's 180 million crippled the Cubs, don't start this shit. Ok, how about OPS+? He's 88th in the MLB and 14th amongst SS with at least 400 PAs. How about BA? Lets go old school like RBI.... he's tied with Tim fucking Anderson at 19th amongst SS. How about hard hit %? He's 16th in MLB amongst SS, which is 2 spots ahead of Javy Baez. I don't know, I guess my expectations for 177 million dollars, which is the 25th highest contract in baseball is a little higher than most, because I know how this turns out when the Cubs need to dish out another big contract, like the 200+ million Bellinger is going to seek. << Lets go old school like RBI.... he's tied with Tim fucking Anderson at 19th amongst SS>> What??? He's 3rd in all of baseball among shortstops in RBI'S with 80 , only Seager 96 and Lindor 90 have more . Are you just making shit up and hoping nobody knows it's wrong ?
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