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Post by batman66 on Sept 24, 2023 11:42:50 GMT -5
Swanson should do the right thing and give the money back 😉 Funny when expectations are met but its not good enough. No one is above criticism in the game from a certain point of view, but when players give you what you need from them it's common to move on to some other guy to complain about instead. It's fine for people to complain about any player if the player isn't meeting the expectations they thought he would . I'm not sure where he's falling short here though to warrant such complaints. Yesw he hasn't been in one of his grooves and playing well lately when they really need him to , so I get it that he's drawing attention for criticism. Among NL shortstops he's 2nd in rbi's and 4th in homers and is the likely GG winner at THE most important defensive position in baseball and we have people saying this could be another Heyward contract??? WTF , that I don't get at all.
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Post by irishcubfan on Sept 24, 2023 12:27:48 GMT -5
Time will tell whether the Swanson contract ends as beneficial toward the Cubs. Heyward was actually a better offensive player than Swanson when he signed with the Cubs. Both elite defensively with Swanson playing a more premium position. This is a typical Swanson year. Though he has seemingly shown better patience this year. Counting stats such as RBI don't mean much as it is dependent upon others. He has had hot and cold stretches, to be expected with a below average offensive to slightly above average offensive player. Think it has a chance to be a Heyward type contract as most long term deals end poorly for the team but for the short term he won't be a hindrance. I don't buy into people just discarding RBI totals because it can be dependant upon others. There are guys who simply have the knack to drive in runs and the guys who don't . Swanson is a decent RBI guy , hitting .271 with a .371 obp with RISP , 2 outs RISP .260 and .352 and he has 80 rbi's which puts him second in the NL in rbi's among shortstops Lindor has 90 . I'm a bit baffled that people are disappointed with a shortstop that has 50 extra base hits and 80 rbi's and saying it's another possible Heyward contract Among NL shortstops he's 2nd in RBI's 4th in homers Was Heyward ever anywhere near that as a Cub among RF "S ? I am not disappointed in Swansons season. I think it is an average season for him and I am fine with it. When saying it can become a Heyward contract, I am saying years 3-7. I don't want to get into an argument with you over RBi, RBI is very antiquated and I highly doubt any front office uses it in any evaluation.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 24, 2023 16:02:34 GMT -5
I don't buy into people just discarding RBI totals because it can be dependant upon others. There are guys who simply have the knack to drive in runs and the guys who don't . Swanson is a decent RBI guy , hitting .271 with a .371 obp with RISP , 2 outs RISP .260 and .352 and he has 80 rbi's which puts him second in the NL in rbi's among shortstops Lindor has 90 . I'm a bit baffled that people are disappointed with a shortstop that has 50 extra base hits and 80 rbi's and saying it's another possible Heyward contract Among NL shortstops he's 2nd in RBI's 4th in homers Was Heyward ever anywhere near that as a Cub among RF "S ? I am not disappointed in Swansons season. I think it is an average season for him and I am fine with it. When saying it can become a Heyward contract, I am saying years 3-7. I don't want to get into an argument with you over RBi, RBI is very antiquated and I highly doubt any front office uses it in any evaluation. Oh. I'm not saying the look at a number and use it as a key evaluation but I doubt they totally ignore it . They know there are guys who are good at driving in runs and the total they have can reflect that. Of course it can be affected by who you have hitting infront of you , but you still have to perform the act to drive them in and Aramis Ramirez for example was a guy who was good at driving in runs and well known for it. Kris Bryant, loved the guy but I would not say he is a good RBI man Bryant aside from his first two seasons has never topped Swanson's current total this season and KB played on good teams with good hitters in front of him for the most part.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 26, 2023 15:52:32 GMT -5
"Kris Bryant, loved the guy but I would not say he is a good RBI man
Bryant aside from his first two seasons has never topped Swanson's current total this season and KB played on good teams with good hitters in front of him for the most part."
LMFAO wow because in his next 2 season he was batting 2nd, not an RBI spot, while Rizzo and Baez enjoyed all the RBIs, a stupid individual stat.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 26, 2023 16:02:53 GMT -5
I know you tried so hard to rail on Bryant with your fake "I loved the guy", but ok, through their age 29 seasons..... which by the way Dansby has an extra year on Bryant (age 22 for Swanson vs age 23 for Bryant)
Bryant/Swanson
HRs 167/124 Runs 592/511 RBI 487/491 SBs 44/65 wRC+ 134/96 fWAR 31.7/21.2 (Bryant was 10th in MLB through his age 29, Swanson is 39th
Nice try Batman, let the hate go man
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Post by bryzzobrist on Sept 26, 2023 17:56:00 GMT -5
Lifetime clutch rating
Dansby the mansby +.76 KB -4.98
LeT tHe HaTe Go AlReAdY
If you're not clutch, you're probably not a big rbi guy. So what?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 7:46:25 GMT -5
Lifetime clutch rating Dansby the mansby +.76 KB -4.98 LeT tHe HaTe Go AlReAdY If you're not clutch, you're probably not a big rbi guy. So what? Yup, so clutch last night.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 7:51:09 GMT -5
Bryant
RISP 2 outs .786 OPS Close Late .758 OPS High Leverage .806 OPS
Swanson as Cub
RISP 2 outs .689 OPS Close Late .445 OPS High Leverage .632 OPS
Let the hate oooze through your veins. buT hE PlaYS gOlDglOvE deFeNsE
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 7:51:23 GMT -5
"Kris Bryant, loved the guy but I would not say he is a good RBI man Bryant aside from his first two seasons has never topped Swanson's current total this season and KB played on good teams with good hitters in front of him for the most part." LMFAO wow because in his next 2 season he was batting 2nd, not an RBI spot, while Rizzo and Baez enjoyed all the RBIs, a stupid individual stat. lmfao LMFAO lmfao LMFAO , ROLFLMFAO do you know where Swanson batted the majority of the time he was in Atlanta , well I'll save you time since apparently you don't . That would be 2nd , his second highest amount would be 8th earlier in his career ............great RBI spots's , right ?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 7:56:52 GMT -5
Oh really???
Batting 2nd he has 1321 PAs (174 RBI)
Batting 5th thru 8th 2471 PAs (313 RBI)
Just stop, you look stupid trying to say Swanson is a better run producer than Bryant.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 7:57:22 GMT -5
I know you tried so hard to rail on Bryant with your fake "I loved the guy", but ok, through their age 29 seasons..... which by the way Dansby has an extra year on Bryant (age 22 for Swanson vs age 23 for Bryant) Bryant/Swanson HRs 167/124 Runs 592/511 RBI 487/491 SBs 44/65 wRC+ 134/96 fWAR 31.7/21.2 (Bryant was 10th in MLB through his age 29, Swanson is 39th Nice try Batman, let the hate go man You must have some shitty memory , who was the guy on here saying for years who wanted him to and that I think Bryant will sign and extension when everybody was saying no, he's a Boras guy. I kept saying I think he stays and wanted him to stay , so no man , there is no hate. I'm just not going to sugar coat what the guys are doing now simply because they won us a WS , it's called reality, you seem in denial that these guys careers are not trending in the right direction. And Lord I would hope a guy drafted as a power hitting 3b would out slug a guy drafted as a shortstop . My point was Bryant has not been very good at driving in runs for years , you watched the games, did you have confidence he'd come through in RBI situations his last few years here ? I sure as hell didn't and guess what facts show he didn't.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 7:59:32 GMT -5
Riiiiiight.... "gOlD gLoVe dEfeNeSe"
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 8:01:12 GMT -5
Oh really??? Batting 2nd he has 1321 PAs (174 RBI) Batting 5th thru 8th 2471 PAs (313 RBI) Just stop, you look stupid trying to say Swanson is a better run producer than Bryant. Lol , now you choose batting 5th through 8th ? ROTFLMAO No man, the focus point was YOU saying KB's rbi totals were because he batted 2nd not knowing that spot is where Swanson has also had his most ab's 1321 hitting 2nd 846 hitting 8th is the second highest total , both pretty shitty rbi spots care to post where KB's hit the most ?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 8:21:12 GMT -5
You tired hard, but Swanson was/is no where near the player Bryant was through age 29. Not even close.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 8:59:40 GMT -5
You tired hard, but Swanson was/is no where near the player Bryant was through age 29. Not even close. Lol , never claimed he was through age 29. That was not anywhere near my point , but lets just play this game. for starters Bryant was GREAT his first few seasons , after that , not so much , so Bryant is not the player he was , that was my point. I'm talking about who is the better RBi guy now , not 2015-2022 But as far as the being a good RBI guy topic pretty close Career RISP Swanson .269 avg .363 obp . 836 ops Bryant .252 avg .370 obp .815 ops It's hard to compare them in the more recent years because one guy usually plays 155 + games a season and well , the oither guy doesn't
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 9:02:53 GMT -5
You tired hard, but Swanson was/is no where near the player Bryant was through age 29. Not even close. << Bryant was>> Thats all that needs to be said. I do hope KB can get back to what he was , I honestly do. One of the nicest most humble Cubs I can think of . I think the NL having the DH is going to help his chances of staying off the IL , and it's a shame because a huge part of his value was you could put him almost anywhere and he would not hurt you so he should not be a DH .
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 9:47:18 GMT -5
You tired hard, but Swanson was/is no where near the player Bryant was through age 29. Not even close. << Bryant was>> Thats all that needs to be said. I do hope KB can get back to what he was , I honestly do. One of the nicest most humble Cubs I can think of . I think the NL having the DH is going to help his chances of staying off the IL , and it's a shame because a huge part of his value was you could put him almost anywhere and he would not hurt you so he should not be a DH . Bryant still a better hitter than Swanson.... lol
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 9:54:56 GMT -5
I'm done trying to debate the 2 players, this is dumb. 177 million for all glove and average to below average bat is going to cripple this organization who already is reluctant to spend big dollars.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2023 9:56:42 GMT -5
<< Bryant was>> Thats all that needs to be said. I do hope KB can get back to what he was , I honestly do. One of the nicest most humble Cubs I can think of . I think the NL having the DH is going to help his chances of staying off the IL , and it's a shame because a huge part of his value was you could put him almost anywhere and he would not hurt you so he should not be a DH . Bryant still a better hitter than Swanson.... lol Bryant .239 avg , .318 obp .379 slg .693 ops oWAR 0.0 Swanson .248 avg .329 obp .424 slg .752 ops oWAR 3.1 I rest my case your honor
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 27, 2023 9:58:14 GMT -5
Yup, case rested, Swanson sucks offensively.
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