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Post by batman66 on Aug 24, 2023 19:55:31 GMT -5
And now he is retiring , so I don't know if they are off the hook for any of it or not. Nats are on the hook for all of it Damn , so when it's all paid up with the defered years after 2029 they will paid him something like 7.8 million per inning to pitch those 31.1 innings
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Post by fine09 on Aug 24, 2023 21:01:30 GMT -5
Now that's another gift that keeps on giving. Damn.. Speaking of Strasberg, I am reminded today of being in Cleveland in 2010 and I was at the game when he made his major league debut. They were selling Nationals Strasberg t-shirts as he was being hawked as the 2nd coming and this was in Cleveland. I remember what a big deal it was. He had a decent career, but certainly not great or even HOF worthy. Once again a reminder of how you just cannot predict the career of prospects no matter how promising it looks. He was very very good, 106 - 54 with an ERA of right around 3.00 from 2012 to 2019 but injuries just stunted his career. He will have made 355 million when all is said & done - BUT 245 million of that will have come after 2019 & from 2020 to now he has pitched a total of 31.1 innings so which is one hell of a part time job..
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Post by threeandone on Aug 24, 2023 21:04:51 GMT -5
Speaking of Strasberg, I am reminded today of being in Cleveland in 2010 and I was at the game when he made his major league debut. They were selling Nationals Strasberg t-shirts as he was being hawked as the 2nd coming and this was in Cleveland. I remember what a big deal it was. He had a decent career, but certainly not great or even HOF worthy. Once again a reminder of how you just cannot predict the career of prospects no matter how promising it looks. He was very very good, 106 - 54 with an ERA of right around 3.00 from 2012 to 2019 but injuries just stunted his career. He will have made 355 million when all is said & done - BUT 245 million of that will have come after 2019 & from 2020 to now he has pitched a total of 31.1 innings so which is one hell of a part time job.. Yep, just not near long enough of being that good. He isn't hurting though. Those earlier years set him up for life. I might feel kind of weird getting all of that money for nothing, but so many of these guys wind up getting paid for past performance.
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Post by fine09 on Aug 25, 2023 6:10:36 GMT -5
He was very very good, 106 - 54 with an ERA of right around 3.00 from 2012 to 2019 but injuries just stunted his career. He will have made 355 million when all is said & done - BUT 245 million of that will have come after 2019 & from 2020 to now he has pitched a total of 31.1 innings so which is one hell of a part time job.. Yep, just not near long enough of being that good. He isn't hurting though. Those earlier years set him up for life. I might feel kind of weird getting all of that money for nothing, but so many of these guys wind up getting paid for past performance. Yes, for most all long term high dollar contracts that is the case, BUT, there are hundreds of young players out there making the league minimum putting up seasons worth many millions of dollars so this is the normal cycle of life in baseball. I am almost always hesitant of giving pitchers those huge long term deals just because of the uncertainty of their health but the flipside is that some of them do actually work out.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 25, 2023 7:21:03 GMT -5
Yep, just not near long enough of being that good. He isn't hurting though. Those earlier years set him up for life. I might feel kind of weird getting all of that money for nothing, but so many of these guys wind up getting paid for past performance. Yes, for most all long term high dollar contracts that is the case, BUT, there are hundreds of young players out there making the league minimum putting up seasons worth many millions of dollars so this is the normal cycle of life in baseball. I am almost always hesitant of giving pitchers those huge long term deals just because of the uncertainty of their health but the flipside is that some of them do actually work out. I know starting pitchers are an ultra important part of a team. But think about it , why are they getting paid on par or above what position players get paid when they are playing usually around 33 of the teams 162 games a season and some position players like Swanson usually play 155+ and on top of that , they usually get injured more often and have more severe injuries that require surgery and missed seasons.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 8:58:06 GMT -5
Didn't steve mention that the cubs would ONLY add Tucker Barnhart this season and wouldn't be competitive until like 2026? Weird to want to argue so much when you've said some pretty quirky things yourself. "move on already" Trolls don't have a conciense Oh wow, I'm a troll now WOW
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:00:10 GMT -5
I disagree with you and know what a troll is. Onward and upward. I use ignore to improve my message board life Good for you, too bad for you that a message board of anonymous people impacts your life so much If the rules of this board means you cannot be critical of the Cubs then maybe this board isn't for me... oh well
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:05:05 GMT -5
sad thing is, i'm not even being critical of the Cubs, i praised them, i just told Batman that other teams did good too, maybe not as good as the Cubs, but some of those FAs are helping their teams be in 1st place as well, or a wild card team, but i'll digress
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Post by batman66 on Aug 25, 2023 9:13:25 GMT -5
I disagree with you and know what a troll is. Onward and upward. I use ignore to improve my message board life Good for you, too bad for you that a message board of anonymous people impacts your life so much If the rules of this board means you cannot be critical of the Cubs then maybe this board isn't for me... oh well Don't listen to that shit , although we don't agree often I've never seen you as that and don't understand how anybody could so please stick around. This board would be very boring if all we were able to post is positive stuff and we all agree on everything then conversations would go nowhere. I don't agree with a lot of your thougts, but I understand where they are coming from and I've never seen it as troll like behavior and you don't deserve the comments and I apologize if our conversations brought this thought out in anybody .
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:32:10 GMT -5
This was what I predicted the Cubs would do, and keep in mind, this was before the Dodgers let Belly go. When they let Belly go i thought he'd be a Cubs target. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it.
Oct 11, 2022 at 10:52am bryzzobrist likes thisQuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by Returnofstevefitz on Oct 11, 2022 at 10:52am
My player predictions for the Cubs this free agency:
1. Brandon Nimmo OF 2. Tucker Barnhart C 3. Corey Knebel RP 4. Josh Bell 1B.... long shot signing
I think the Cubs will kick the tires on Benintendi, but I think ultimately they'll prefer the price of Nimmo.
Yes, for me, no DeGrom, no Rodon, definitely no Judge, no Trea Turner (I think the Cubs really really like Nico at SS) and no Verlander IMO
EDIT: I like Dansby Swanson, but I think he ends up extending in Atlanta. Last Edit: Oct 11, 2022 at 10:53am by Returnofstevefit
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:33:40 GMT -5
my take on Tre Turner:
"Oct 18, 2022 at 9:18am QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by Returnofstevefitz on Oct 18, 2022 at 9:18am
Wasn't meant as a knock on Turner. I like him. Just not sure I'd like 6-10 years for a 30 year old (June)."
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:37:56 GMT -5
And here's what I said about Swanson before people think I don't like him, keep in mind, early in free agency he and the Braves were trying to work on an extension, which is why I thought he'd go back:
"Dec 6, 2022 at 9:30am QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 6, 2022 at 9:30am
IMO.... I think Swanson is the most realistic possibility. I do like his defense a LOT. I like that his fWAR has gone UP in 5 straight seasons, -0.2, 1.4, 2.0, 2.3, 3.4 and 6.4. I don't know if he's now a 6.4 fWAR player, but somewhere in between 3.4 and 6.4 I'd take.
Again, though, I really think the Cubs are looking for guys who are in the 2-4 years range in this offseason. I just do not think they are ready to commit to anyone long term. Maybe they'd do it for Swanson at 5-6 years, but anything more than that they'll likely pass."
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 25, 2023 9:42:19 GMT -5
That being said.... I did argue for the Cubs to sign Correa or Bogaerts over Swanson, didn't hate Swanson, just thought the others had more upside. Clearly Swanson was the better fit after year 1. Also, I was wrong on Belly. I didn't think he can come anywhere close to his MVP season and he has.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 25, 2023 12:26:50 GMT -5
That being said.... I did argue for the Cubs to sign Correa or Bogaerts over Swanson, didn't hate Swanson, just thought the others had more upside. Clearly Swanson was the better fit after year 1. Also, I was wrong on Belly. I didn't think he can come anywhere close to his MVP season and he has. Well according to Boras they almost shocked the world and ended up with both Swanson and Bogaerts until SD came in and blew away all the previous offers X had gotten.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 15, 2023 11:28:07 GMT -5
Dansby Swanson (Shortstop)
Outs Above Average: 18 (1st) Defensive Runs Saved: 16 (1st) SABR Defensive Index: 9.4 (1st)
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 17, 2023 11:15:08 GMT -5
Dansby (shortstop)
WRC+ = 10th OPS = 10th
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 17, 2023 11:16:35 GMT -5
But only Swanson is helping his team this year I guess, who’s defense has some how become questionable the last month or so, which is strange
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Post by batman66 on Sept 18, 2023 10:26:13 GMT -5
Dansby (shortstop) WRC+ = 10th OPS = 10th Yes because the SHORTSTOP position is ALL about offense in baseball !!
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Post by batman66 on Sept 18, 2023 10:39:33 GMT -5
But only Swanson is helping his team this year I guess, who’s defense has some how become questionable the last month or so, which is strange No Correa is also helping because he is the guy you wanted. I mean he has more of your favorite stat to mention , a double 29-24 but that's it triples Swanson 3-2 Homers Swanson 20-18 RBI's tied at 74 avg Swasnon .249 -.230 obp Swanson .329- .312 slg Swanson .421- .399 ops Swanson .750 - .711 stolen bases this is a sad one Swanson 7 , Correa again has not even attempted to steal a base for the 4th season in the last 5 , guess he doesn't want to get the uniform dirty? here is another fun one , he also must be really busting it down the line GDP Correa a league leading 30 , Swanson 7 WAR Swanson 4.3 - Correa 1.7 oh and Swanson made 14 million this season , Correa 33.3 million I guess this is what Jed meant when he said they will spend wisely .
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 19, 2023 15:40:41 GMT -5
Dansby (shortstop) WRC+ = 10th OPS = 10th Yes because the SHORTSTOP position is ALL about offense in baseball !! Ooooh, NOW it doesn't matter hahaha
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