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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 21:31:27 GMT -5
What about... kevin alcantara, Jordan Wicks and Cody Bellinger to the Phillies for Andrew Painter and Nick Castellanos? Phillies need to upgrade rf. Cubs are lefty sp heavy. Phillies eat some money. Would love to get Painter and I've always liked Nick , I'd do it if the prospect was not Alcantara, maybe Triantos, or Rojas or maybe even Ballesteros. |
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Post by trav768 on Dec 3, 2024 21:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by kfidd on Dec 3, 2024 22:19:42 GMT -5
What about... kevin alcantara, Jordan Wicks and Cody Bellinger to the Phillies for Andrew Painter and Nick Castellanos? Phillies need to upgrade rf. Cubs are lefty sp heavy. Phillies eat some money. Apparently teams have been after Painter for years and they’ve all been turned away. I don’t think a meager and expensive Bellinger, a downward pointing Wicks, and a talented but raw Alcantara are what tips the Painter scale for them. The Phillies are trying to win a World Series. If there is a move out there they trade Painter for (I’m not sure there is) it’s one that nets that a significant upgrade. Bellinger over Castellanos ain’t it. Honestly the potential for significant upgrade is probably just getting Painter to the bigs for them. |
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2024 8:05:14 GMT -5
What about... kevin alcantara, Jordan Wicks and Cody Bellinger to the Phillies for Andrew Painter and Nick Castellanos? Phillies need to upgrade rf. Cubs are lefty sp heavy. Phillies eat some money. Apparently teams have been after Painter for years and they’ve all been turned away. I don’t think a meager and expensive Bellinger, a downward pointing Wicks, and a talented but raw Alcantara are what tips the Painter scale for them. The Phillies are trying to win a World Series. If there is a move out there they trade Painter for (I’m not sure there is) it’s one that nets that a significant upgrade. Bellinger over Castellanos ain’t it. Honestly the potential for significant upgrade is probably just getting Painter to the bigs for them. I believe the idea is that Bellinger upgrades the Phillies and the Phillies would happily move Castellanos money, much like the Cubs and Bellinger, for nothing in return. So the Cubs trade Bellinger for Casetllanos which would basically be a wash financially for the Cubs, only saving them roughly 7 million in AAV but 12.5 million in money this season. Bellinger is more valuable than Castellanos so you have his value plus Alcántara and Wicks for Painter. It’s not a bad trade but the Cubs would have to do something with Castellanos and not many teams would be willing to take on much of that contract. |
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2024 8:41:35 GMT -5
That’s setting the bar pretty low as I feel like Taillon is going to flirt with 5.00. I would like this signing a lot more if they traded Taillon and cleared out 18 million but I hate that the Cubs are throwing 33 million at the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation. ***im saying 4th and 5th slots because that is where they belong. Well let's hope that if we don't trade Taillon this winter that he doesn't put up a 5 ERA & is more in the high 3's which after last years 3.27 ERA doesn't seem that much of a stretch as yours guess with him being over a 5 ERA.. I would like to see them deal Jameson this winter also, but it most likely won't be possible until pitchers start getting signed. Keep in mind for the contending teams to sign these top free agent starting pitchers it costs most all of them their 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & losing a good chunk of Int'l signing money so a fallback of Taillon coming off of an outstanding year ERA & WHIP wise at 18 mil per year is not as costly as it seems.. Large market teams shouldn't be afraid of spending 33 million on their #4 & #5 stating pitchers combined especially if they don't have a slugging team as ours sits right now. I guess “flirting with 5.00” equates to having an ERA over 5 in your mind. Anyway, I do love when people refer to his ERA last season as justification for keeping Taillon. Ignore the fact his road ERA was 4.56 and the season before his ERA was 4.8. Ignore Wrigley snuffed out an average of 150 points of OPS. Ignore Taillon advanced stats and expected ERA. Ignore the fact he gave up hard contact and posted the lowest K per 9 in his career. Taillon has more red flags than the Chinese embassy and the Cubs should be trying like hell to get out from under that 36 million dollar ticking time bomb. |
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Post by malagacubs on Dec 4, 2024 8:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by fine09 on Dec 4, 2024 9:50:25 GMT -5
Well let's hope that if we don't trade Taillon this winter that he doesn't put up a 5 ERA & is more in the high 3's which after last years 3.27 ERA doesn't seem that much of a stretch as yours guess with him being over a 5 ERA.. I would like to see them deal Jameson this winter also, but it most likely won't be possible until pitchers start getting signed. Keep in mind for the contending teams to sign these top free agent starting pitchers it costs most all of them their 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & losing a good chunk of Int'l signing money so a fallback of Taillon coming off of an outstanding year ERA & WHIP wise at 18 mil per year is not as costly as it seems.. Large market teams shouldn't be afraid of spending 33 million on their #4 & #5 stating pitchers combined especially if they don't have a slugging team as ours sits right now. I guess “flirting with 5.00” equates to having an ERA over 5 in your mind. Anyway, I do love when people refer to his ERA last season as justification for keeping Taillon. Ignore the fact his road ERA was 4.56 and the season before his ERA was 4.8. Ignore Wrigley snuffed out an average of 150 points of OPS. Ignore Taillon advanced stats and expected ERA. Ignore the fact he gave up hard contact and posted the lowest K per 9 in his career. Taillon has more red flags than the Chinese embassy and the Cubs should be trying like hell to get out from under that 36 million dollar ticking time bomb. I am also hoping that we can trade Jameson but if we don't I am not expecting a 5 ERA although an ERA of 4 is ABOVE league average for starting pitchers so even if he settled there he would still be a 3 / 4 starter which wouldn't kill us. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 4, 2024 9:51:21 GMT -5
I am really still hoping for Sasaki but if Crochet isn't too expensive in prospects that would work as well. |
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Post by kfidd on Dec 4, 2024 9:59:08 GMT -5
Well let's hope that if we don't trade Taillon this winter that he doesn't put up a 5 ERA & is more in the high 3's which after last years 3.27 ERA doesn't seem that much of a stretch as yours guess with him being over a 5 ERA.. I would like to see them deal Jameson this winter also, but it most likely won't be possible until pitchers start getting signed. Keep in mind for the contending teams to sign these top free agent starting pitchers it costs most all of them their 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & losing a good chunk of Int'l signing money so a fallback of Taillon coming off of an outstanding year ERA & WHIP wise at 18 mil per year is not as costly as it seems.. Large market teams shouldn't be afraid of spending 33 million on their #4 & #5 stating pitchers combined especially if they don't have a slugging team as ours sits right now. I guess “flirting with 5.00” equates to having an ERA over 5 in your mind. Anyway, I do love when people refer to his ERA last season as justification for keeping Taillon. Ignore the fact his road ERA was 4.56 and the season before his ERA was 4.8. Ignore Wrigley snuffed out an average of 150 points of OPS. Ignore Taillon advanced stats and expected ERA. Ignore the fact he gave up hard contact and posted the lowest K per 9 in his career. Taillon has more red flags than the Chinese embassy and the Cubs should be trying like hell to get out from under that 36 million dollar ticking time bomb. I don’t disagree on Taillon. I do think the rest of the league is capable of identifying the same concerns with him. The time to trade Taillon was this past deadline which we unsurprisingly failed to do (and then found ourselves winning a whopping 83 games… yayyyy). Teams aren’t as desperate for a mid/back rotation arm in the offseason when there are plenty available in free agency. I’d guess the ship has sailed and we won’t find a take for Taillon this winter. |
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Post by kfidd on Dec 4, 2024 10:11:50 GMT -5
I don’t buy the Cubs fit for Crotchet. The more minor thought here (but still head scratching worthy) is having a rotation with what would be at least four lefty starters in a league featuring majority right handed bats. But that’s really not the big issue here. The big issue is that Crotchet has a collective 32 career big league starts under his belt. He couldn’t even get to 150 innings in those 32 starts either (which on one hand we can point to the White Sox protecting him but then we obviously know why he was being protected as he’s proven fragile and susceptible to injury). He was excellent in those 32 starts by the way but that also underscores another issue, that’s literally his entire career as a big league starter. Where’s the rest of it? It was spent either injured or pitching out of the bullpen. There’s virtually no guarantees with Crotchet. If he was a young up and comer with still 4+ seasons of control and coming off a season like her just had? Throw the world at him. But he’s not. He’s young but often injured and with limited big league success under his belt, AND with just two years of control. There is no escaping the injury plagued career he has had and any team willing to throw top prospects to get him will have to reckon with that. A team with a high floor in a World Series window that can absorb the risk of his injuries? Makes all the sense in the world. We are not that. It would feel very on brand for Cubsdom to me if they trade multiple top position prospects for the often injured Crotchet while failing to add a lock down closer and premier slugger to the offense. Oh, and then watching Crotchet struggle to reach 100 innings next season. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 4, 2024 10:33:27 GMT -5
There is recent data showing that lefty starters have a significant advantage of pitching at Wrigley Field, likely one of the reasons for the recent signing of Boyd, granted Boyd may only throw 78 innings but damn it 38 may be at Wrigley.
If the Cubs were not cheap and/or terrible at allocating money, they can easily just keep the prospects needed to acquire Crotchet and just sign Fried. True, he would cost draft picks but draft picks are better to give up than actual players you know about already in the system.
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Post by TheChico on Dec 4, 2024 10:43:19 GMT -5
I don’t buy the Cubs fit for Crotchet. The more minor thought here (but still head scratching worthy) is having a rotation with what would be at least four lefty starters in a league featuring majority right handed bats. But that’s really not the big issue here. The big issue is that Crotchet has a collective 32 career big league starts under his belt. He couldn’t even get to 150 innings in those 32 starts either (which on one hand we can point to the White Sox protecting him but then we obviously know why he was being protected as he’s proven fragile and susceptible to injury). He was excellent in those 32 starts by the way but that also underscores another issue, that’s literally his entire career as a big league starter. Where’s the rest of it? It was spent either injured or pitching out of the bullpen. There’s virtually no guarantees with Crotchet. If he was a young up and comer with still 4+ seasons of control and coming off a season like her just had? Throw the world at him. But he’s not. He’s young but often injured and with limited big league success under his belt, AND with just two years of control. There is no escaping the injury plagued career he has had and any team willing to throw top prospects to get him will have to reckon with that. A team with a high floor in a World Series window that can absorb the risk of his injuries? Makes all the sense in the world. We are not that. It would feel very on brand for Cubsdom to me if they trade multiple top position prospects for the often injured Crotchet while failing to add a lock down closer and premier slugger to the offense. Oh, and then watching Crotchet struggle to reach 100 innings next season. 🤦♂️ The Fit is not a concern because it likely means the signing of Boyd was just not for the rotation but a major weapon for Counsel, Boyd can spot start to closing out games which would be pretty awesome to have. I get the Crochet concerns, the White Sox rushed him to the majors after being drafted in 2020 and tried to develop him in 2021 in the bullpen and sadly needed TJ in 2022 and missed most of 2023 too recovering, and finally was able to start in 2024 where he should of been doing in the first place. It is a odd situation and little misused so maybe now he is a starter he will be fine going forward. The good news he did provide 146 innings last year which means he is fairly stretched out and don't have to be as strict in 2025. No doubt though, Crochet is a risk but I would take it because he is young still has 2 years control and if the Cubs want to be considered serious contenders they need to do with with pitching a defense and both have to be elite. |
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2024 10:52:02 GMT -5
I guess “flirting with 5.00” equates to having an ERA over 5 in your mind. Anyway, I do love when people refer to his ERA last season as justification for keeping Taillon. Ignore the fact his road ERA was 4.56 and the season before his ERA was 4.8. Ignore Wrigley snuffed out an average of 150 points of OPS. Ignore Taillon advanced stats and expected ERA. Ignore the fact he gave up hard contact and posted the lowest K per 9 in his career. Taillon has more red flags than the Chinese embassy and the Cubs should be trying like hell to get out from under that 36 million dollar ticking time bomb. I am also hoping that we can trade Jameson but if we don't I am not expecting a 5 ERA although an ERA of 4 is ABOVE league average for starting pitchers so even if he settled there he would still be a 3 / 4 starter which wouldn't kill us. I’m sorry but that is such loser speak. Do you think the Yankees and Dodgers are fine with “league average” out of their rotations? The Phillies? “Oh yeah well a 4.50 era is fine for a fourth starter so that’s cool. Maybe we will get lucky” I don’t buy that level of thinking. Especially not when you have Matt Boyd and Javier Assad in that same rotation. |
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2024 10:59:06 GMT -5
I guess “flirting with 5.00” equates to having an ERA over 5 in your mind. Anyway, I do love when people refer to his ERA last season as justification for keeping Taillon. Ignore the fact his road ERA was 4.56 and the season before his ERA was 4.8. Ignore Wrigley snuffed out an average of 150 points of OPS. Ignore Taillon advanced stats and expected ERA. Ignore the fact he gave up hard contact and posted the lowest K per 9 in his career. Taillon has more red flags than the Chinese embassy and the Cubs should be trying like hell to get out from under that 36 million dollar ticking time bomb. I don’t disagree on Taillon. I do think the rest of the league is capable of identifying the same concerns with him. The time to trade Taillon was this past deadline which we unsurprisingly failed to do (and then found ourselves winning a whopping 83 games… yayyyy). Teams aren’t as desperate for a mid/back rotation arm in the offseason when there are plenty available in free agency. I’d guess the ship has sailed and we won’t find a take for Taillon this winter. I agree, the league has all the same information and more but there still may be a team willing to take on Taillon’s contract or the vast majority of it. Probably not going to anything back aside from a middling prospect but having an additional 15 million to reinvest in a closer would be huge. The Cubs are talking about dumping Bellinger, Bellinger is significantly more valuable to the team next season than Taillon is. Hoyer irritates me, Cubs should be looking to upgrade, not tread water but thus far all we have done is tread water. We got a reliever that the Guardians didn’t trust in high leverage situations. A catcher who the Angels DFA, the Angels! And Boyd which is the equivalent of a pick three lottery ticket and unfortunately, between him and Taillon, that is 33 million dollars tied up in the back of the rotation. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 4, 2024 12:09:11 GMT -5
I don’t disagree on Taillon. I do think the rest of the league is capable of identifying the same concerns with him. The time to trade Taillon was this past deadline which we unsurprisingly failed to do (and then found ourselves winning a whopping 83 games… yayyyy). Teams aren’t as desperate for a mid/back rotation arm in the offseason when there are plenty available in free agency. I’d guess the ship has sailed and we won’t find a take for Taillon this winter. I agree, the league has all the same information and more but there still may be a team willing to take on Taillon’s contract or the vast majority of it. Probably not going to anything back aside from a middling prospect but having an additional 15 million to reinvest in a closer would be huge. The Cubs are talking about dumping Bellinger, Bellinger is significantly more valuable to the team next season than Taillon is. Hoyer irritates me, Cubs should be looking to upgrade, not tread water but thus far all we have done is tread water. We got a reliever that the Guardians didn’t trust in high leverage situations. A catcher who the Angels DFA, the Angels! And Boyd which is the equivalent of a pick three lottery ticket and unfortunately, between him and Taillon, that is 33 million dollars tied up in the back of the rotation. They've had money to invest in a closer before and didn't . Right now they are about 47.8 million below the luxury tax. I doubt they are investing in a bat , might invest in a catcher like Jansen or Kelly who aren't going to cost a large chunk of that , so there should already be closer money available without moving a Taillon or Bellinger contract. They SHOULD be able to fit in the top closer available like Scott who is predicted around 4/56 but of course they won't and if they even do invest in one , it's going to be somebody that's going to be on a 1-2 year deal |
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Post by kfidd on Dec 4, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -5
I don’t buy the Cubs fit for Crotchet. The more minor thought here (but still head scratching worthy) is having a rotation with what would be at least four lefty starters in a league featuring majority right handed bats. But that’s really not the big issue here. The big issue is that Crotchet has a collective 32 career big league starts under his belt. He couldn’t even get to 150 innings in those 32 starts either (which on one hand we can point to the White Sox protecting him but then we obviously know why he was being protected as he’s proven fragile and susceptible to injury). He was excellent in those 32 starts by the way but that also underscores another issue, that’s literally his entire career as a big league starter. Where’s the rest of it? It was spent either injured or pitching out of the bullpen. There’s virtually no guarantees with Crotchet. If he was a young up and comer with still 4+ seasons of control and coming off a season like her just had? Throw the world at him. But he’s not. He’s young but often injured and with limited big league success under his belt, AND with just two years of control. There is no escaping the injury plagued career he has had and any team willing to throw top prospects to get him will have to reckon with that. A team with a high floor in a World Series window that can absorb the risk of his injuries? Makes all the sense in the world. We are not that. It would feel very on brand for Cubsdom to me if they trade multiple top position prospects for the often injured Crotchet while failing to add a lock down closer and premier slugger to the offense. Oh, and then watching Crotchet struggle to reach 100 innings next season. 🤦♂️ The Fit is not a concern because it likely means the signing of Boyd was just not for the rotation but a major weapon for Counsel, Boyd can spot start to closing out games which would be pretty awesome to have. I get the Crochet concerns, the White Sox rushed him to the majors after being drafted in 2020 and tried to develop him in 2021 in the bullpen and sadly needed TJ in 2022 and missed most of 2023 too recovering, and finally was able to start in 2024 where he should of been doing in the first place. It is a odd situation and little misused so maybe now he is a starter he will be fine going forward. The good news he did provide 146 innings last year which means he is fairly stretched out and don't have to be as strict in 2025. No doubt though, Crochet is a risk but I would take it because he is young still has 2 years control and if the Cubs want to be considered serious contenders they need to do with with pitching a defense and both have to be elite. My issue with at least that Boyd thought is why does he need such a weapon? We have kids like Brown, Horton, Wicks, Assad who could all be candidates to swing back and forth as needed. I’m not seeing anything to suggest Boyd has experience as a reliever or closer and just assuming that pitchers can swing back and forth like that doesn’t provide that level of certainty I’m wanting us to pursue. Heck, if there is potential for Boyd as a closing option they should have just taken that 14.5m annually and given it to Scott who actually has closing experience and has excelled in the role. Bakdidiendgdlamsnxue fucking Hoyer |
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2024 13:39:35 GMT -5
I get the feeling Jed is a lame duck. The moves he has made so far at least show he is either incapable of building a playoff roster or Ricketts is not allowing him to tie up money beyond 1-2 years so the incoming PBO has a fresh slate to work with.
If the rumors are true, the Cubs are shopping Bellinger and Hoerner, then it signifies that the Cubs are not serious about making the postseason next year.
I’m sorry but a rotation of Steele, Imanaga, Boyd, Taillon and Assad is not good. Neither will an offense subtracting Bellinger and Hoerner in addition to the defense becoming notably worse.
Bring on Click!
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 4, 2024 13:52:29 GMT -5
I get the feeling Jed is a lame duck. The moves he has made so far at least show he is either incapable of building a playoff roster or Ricketts is not allowing him to tie up money beyond 1-2 years so the incoming PBO has a fresh slate to work with. If the rumors are true, the Cubs are shopping Bellinger and Hoerner, then it signifies that the Cubs are not serious about making the postseason next year. I’m sorry but a rotation of Steele, Imanaga, Boyd, Taillon and Assad is not good. Neither will an offense subtracting Bellinger and Hoerner in addition to the defense becoming notably worse. Bring on Click! Agreed. I am in favor of Click for at least the next 4 years and/or until retirement age. |
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