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Post by TheChico on Dec 2, 2024 13:19:51 GMT -5
They may not need the prospects as the 3rd largest market may just be looking to dump salary. The humorous part will be when the Cubs eat half of Bellinger's salary. I am not a believer in Bellinger but just keep his short-term contract, let it play out and force prospects to push the issue. This all has to be due to tv deals/revenue/upcoming CBA as this is not making much sense. The Cubs would dump Bellinger for nothing, because Hoyer is stupid, but the Cubs are not going to add Nico, who has 30-40 million in surplus value, just to move Bellinger or would they take less on Nico to move Bellinger. Yankee fans keep talking about this because it makes sense for them but it doesn’t for the Cubs. Also, now they added Boyd, the stupid Yankee rumors make even less sense because they wanted Stroman to come back to Chicago. Bellinger and Hoerner to new York would require Dominguez and Jones and little cash going to New York. I think a 3rd team would need to get involved, Dominquez does not move the needle and a current fit and Spencer Jones Strikeout rate is disturbing (36% in AA)
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Post by trav768 on Dec 2, 2024 13:22:02 GMT -5
Sasaki alone would make it an A . I'd be ok, if it ends up Boyd and Buehler. Not what I was hoping for but I just don't want Boyd to be the top pitcher they add this winter. I was expecting more although this could be an excellent signing if he pitches like he did last season he was right up there with the bigger names performance wise. My issue is , it's the same old same old , Dodgers shop at Macy's and sign a guy like Snell , Cubs shop at the thrift store and sign a guy like Boyd a much more conservative move. I thought Jed would get bold with his job on the line , guess I was wrong. If Jed is done then he’ll need to update his resume very soon.. I do really like this signing but we need more. I think he's gone no matter what he does. Ricketts should had let him go when he said Soto doesn't move the needle. so, if a Soto doesn't move the needle, then who does?
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Post by happy on Dec 2, 2024 13:38:20 GMT -5
The Cubs would dump Bellinger for nothing, because Hoyer is stupid, but the Cubs are not going to add Nico, who has 30-40 million in surplus value, just to move Bellinger or would they take less on Nico to move Bellinger. Yankee fans keep talking about this because it makes sense for them but it doesn’t for the Cubs. Also, now they added Boyd, the stupid Yankee rumors make even less sense because they wanted Stroman to come back to Chicago. Bellinger and Hoerner to new York would require Dominguez and Jones and little cash going to New York. I love the potential of Dominguez bat, but he MAKES Schwarber look like a gold glover so he's pretty much strictly a DH which would mean Suzuki is back in the OF and then what do you do with Caissie? Not crazy about Jones , he doesn't seem like anything the Cubs need , why another OF when they don't have enough room for the ones they have? It’s more about the Yankees not having much in terms of highly rated prospect depth. Jones is a legit prospect, a guy who’s just outside some top 100 lists and in others but he isnt getting Nico. He isnt a centerpiece in a Hoerner trade either. He, Jones, is a guy who you would get for Bellinger if you were willing to send some money with Bellinger. I don’t know how much I like Dominguez but New York wants Hoerner it’s going to cost at least him, again, back to the fact the Yankees don’t have a much prospect depth. If you’re making trades, you get the best talent available. No one says you have to keep the talent you get but the talent you have may not workout anyway or the talent you get maybe better than the talent you have. If I was a GM and I landed Dominguez, I’m going to call Seattle shortly after speaking to my scouts and see if I can land one of those stud young starters. Maybe I’m seeing Dominguez, maybe it’s Manny, maybe it’s Caissie
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Post by happy on Dec 2, 2024 13:39:46 GMT -5
If Jed is done then he’ll need to update his resume very soon.. I do really like this signing but we need more. I think he's gone no matter what he does. Ricketts should had let him go when he said Soto doesn't move the needle. so, if a Soto doesn't move the needle, then who does? Matt Boyd, obviously! Every move Hoyer had made this offseason has us closer to 83 wins again!
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 2, 2024 13:58:48 GMT -5
Seems like we paid a lot for Boyd, no? Mid 30's, lucky to give you 15 starts, mid to upper 4 era type of pitcher.
Somehow this equates to 30 million dollars on a 2 year.
Are we going to give him 2 million dollars per short-ass start? About 400k per inning.
edit: now I see his numbers from this last postseason. Copied from article:
Boyd joined the Guardians midseason as a wildcard acquisition and quickly proved his worth. In just eight starts, he posted an impressive 2.72 ERA over 39.2 innings, striking out 46 batters while walking only 13. His dominance continued in the postseason, where he delivered a stellar 0.77 ERA across three starts, solidifying himself as a clutch performer when it mattered most.
Also, like Mike mentioned it's early in the offseason and teams are paying to get guys off the board early. So now this makes more sense to me.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 2, 2024 16:40:32 GMT -5
Seems like we paid a lot for Boyd, no? Mid 30's, lucky to give you 15 starts, mid to upper 4 era type of pitcher.
Somehow this equates to 30 million dollars on a 2 year.
Are we going to give him 2 million dollars per short-ass start? About 400k per inning.
edit: now I see his numbers from this last postseason. Copied from article:
Boyd joined the Guardians midseason as a wildcard acquisition and quickly proved his worth. In just eight starts, he posted an impressive 2.72 ERA over 39.2 innings, striking out 46 batters while walking only 13. His dominance continued in the postseason, where he delivered a stellar 0.77 ERA across three starts, solidifying himself as a clutch performer when it mattered most.
Also, like Mike mentioned it's early in the offseason and teams are paying to get guys off the board early. So now this makes more sense to me.
They aren't paying for the old Boyd , they are paying HOPEFULLY for the new one , who changed his repertoire after coming back from TJ and was excellent in 8 starts down the stretch for Cleveland and was great in the playoffs. He looked top to be a top of the rotation level guy finally but it's a a bit of a gamble that he is that guy going forward and doesn't revert back to the guy he's mainly been. Having the TJ just recently behind him should hopefully erase all the issues he had in the past with injuries which also led to shaky performances while trying to pitch through the problems. I just hope this is not looked at as their big add this winter.
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Post by happy on Dec 2, 2024 16:51:56 GMT -5
Seems like we paid a lot for Boyd, no? Mid 30's, lucky to give you 15 starts, mid to upper 4 era type of pitcher.
Somehow this equates to 30 million dollars on a 2 year.
Are we going to give him 2 million dollars per short-ass start? About 400k per inning.
edit: now I see his numbers from this last postseason. Copied from article:
Boyd joined the Guardians midseason as a wildcard acquisition and quickly proved his worth. In just eight starts, he posted an impressive 2.72 ERA over 39.2 innings, striking out 46 batters while walking only 13. His dominance continued in the postseason, where he delivered a stellar 0.77 ERA across three starts, solidifying himself as a clutch performer when it mattered most.
Also, like Mike mentioned it's early in the offseason and teams are paying to get guys off the board early. So now this makes more sense to me.
They aren't paying for the old Boyd , they are paying HOPEFULLY for the new one , who changed his repertoire after coming back from TJ and was excellent in 8 starts down the stretch for Cleveland and was great in the playoffs. He looked top to be a top of the rotation level guy finally but it's a a bit of a gamble that he is that guy going forward and doesn't revert back to the guy he's mainly been. Having the TJ just recently behind him should hopefully erase all the issues he had in the past with injuries which also led to shaky performances while trying to pitch through the problems. I just hope this is not looked at as their big add this winter. Remember when the Cubs thought they were smarter than everyone else and paid to get Tyler Chatwood off the market early? That was fun.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 2, 2024 17:05:21 GMT -5
The Boyd contract reminds me of the outlandish deals that NFL teams give to a QB after a hot 5-8 stretch while completely ignoring history and/or why they were back ups.
How anyone can have any faith in this front office is a mystery to me.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 2, 2024 17:08:21 GMT -5
I would rather the Cubs come out and state Boyd is the closer than pretend he can give 100 plus innings in any of the next two years.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 2, 2024 17:16:11 GMT -5
Per Nightengal, the Cubs are out on all the top FA hitters and pitchers I think the Boyd deal makes this a reality IMO
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Post by trav768 on Dec 2, 2024 17:29:48 GMT -5
I don't have faith in Jed or Carter. if Ricketts has any balls, then Jed is gone after 2025 season. can't keep letting top tier free agents go to other teams. while Cubs sign guys from dollar tree store. unless, Ricketts is being a cheapskate after getting a world series.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 2, 2024 18:44:25 GMT -5
The Boyd contract reminds me of the outlandish deals that NFL teams give to a QB after a hot 5-8 stretch while completely ignoring history and/or why they were back ups. How anyone can have any faith in this front office is a mystery to me. Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games.
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Post by fine09 on Dec 2, 2024 19:02:35 GMT -5
The Boyd contract reminds me of the outlandish deals that NFL teams give to a QB after a hot 5-8 stretch while completely ignoring history and/or why they were back ups. How anyone can have any faith in this front office is a mystery to me. Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money..
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Post by TheChico on Dec 2, 2024 19:03:38 GMT -5
The Boyd contract reminds me of the outlandish deals that NFL teams give to a QB after a hot 5-8 stretch while completely ignoring history and/or why they were back ups. How anyone can have any faith in this front office is a mystery to me. Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. Boyd has a career 4.85 ERA, he can strikeout guys but also gives up a shitload of hard contract too. Hoping he is now a better than ever version of himself at the age 34 and has not pitched over a 100 innings since 2019 and was just signed by Jed to 2 years $29 million over a sample size. Sorry, I am not excited about this signing at all and borderline stupid since all know this is the big rotation addition.
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Post by TheChico on Dec 2, 2024 19:08:09 GMT -5
Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money.. That is what Jed is counting on, and why the Cubs are so mid.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 2, 2024 19:12:04 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 2, 2024 21:01:30 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season. I dont think so. The guy seems to love Chicago.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 2, 2024 22:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by happy on Dec 3, 2024 7:53:39 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season. The Cubs have an option to pick up his fifth year, if they do that it voids his opt out.
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Post by happy on Dec 3, 2024 7:55:20 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season. I dont think so. The guy seems to love Chicago. Fret not, the Cubs hold a team option that can negate his opt out clause.
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