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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 8:21:15 GMT -5
Manfred needs to go. I get the idea of it all but dont change the way the game has been played. Whats next just play 9 innings of home run derby. If you dont homer its an out. |
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 3, 2024 9:06:42 GMT -5
Just heard this one this morning. Further dumbing down of the game, to the point of video game level. F'ing stupid. |
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Post by Mike on Dec 3, 2024 9:45:00 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. Shortening the game, juicing/not juicing the ball, e-strike zone challenges, pitch clock, DH in both leagues... We should be done with tweaking the game. And I left out mound visits and reliever rules.
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Post by NeverOnaSunday on Dec 3, 2024 9:58:13 GMT -5
Kyle Hendricks (As a Starter)
(4-12) / 116.1 IP - 81 K / 6.27 ERA / 1.50 WHIP
4.84 Innings per Start.
How in the hell could a combination of Boyd, Brown, Horton, Wesneski & Kilian ever replace THAT?
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Post by happy on Dec 3, 2024 9:59:41 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. Shortening the game, juicing/not juicing the ball, e-strike zone challenges, pitch clock, DH in both leagues... We should be done with tweaking the game. And I left out mound visits and reliever rules. All the new rules Manfred has implemented has made the game better. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:21:33 GMT -5
Hearing a lot of stuff about the Cubs being the most aggressive team on bullpen upgrades , I doubt that means Tanner Scott because Jed and Carter won't step up for him even though they should , but I did not realize this guy is a free agent because he's oddly not listed among the top 50 , but give me Blake Treinen please !!
He's 36 so that's probably why he isn't listed in the top 50 , but over his last 125 appearances he has an ERA of 1.91 and probably won't require more than a 2 year deal and it won't break the bank.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:27:38 GMT -5
Seems like we paid a lot for Boyd, no? Mid 30's, lucky to give you 15 starts, mid to upper 4 era type of pitcher.
Somehow this equates to 30 million dollars on a 2 year.
Are we going to give him 2 million dollars per short-ass start? About 400k per inning.
edit: now I see his numbers from this last postseason. Copied from article:
Boyd joined the Guardians midseason as a wildcard acquisition and quickly proved his worth. In just eight starts, he posted an impressive 2.72 ERA over 39.2 innings, striking out 46 batters while walking only 13. His dominance continued in the postseason, where he delivered a stellar 0.77 ERA across three starts, solidifying himself as a clutch performer when it mattered most.
Also, like Mike mentioned it's early in the offseason and teams are paying to get guys off the board early. So now this makes more sense to me.
They aren't paying for the old Boyd , they are paying HOPEFULLY for the new one , who changed his repertoire after coming back from TJ and was excellent in 8 starts down the stretch for Cleveland and was great in the playoffs. He looked top to be a top of the rotation level guy finally but it's a a bit of a gamble that he is that guy going forward and doesn't revert back to the guy he's mainly been. Having the TJ just recently behind him should hopefully erase all the issues he had in the past with injuries which also led to shaky performances while trying to pitch through the problems. I just hope this is not looked at as their big add this winter. Lets not go overboard on what the Cubs added here. He'll be 34 before the season starts. I won't trash the signing or him, that's not the point, but he was on a heater in August, September was heh and his postseason was decent, but not over the top. And that's as far as I'm willing to go with it. This is just an addition to fill an open SP role, #4 or #5. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 10:28:52 GMT -5
Hearing a lot of stuff about the Cubs being the most aggressive team on bullpen upgrades , I doubt that means Tanner Scott because Jed and Carter won't step up for him even though they should , but I did not realize this guy is a free agent because he's oddly not listed among the top 50 , but give me Blake Treinen please !! He's 36 so that's probably why he isn't listed in the top 50 , but over his last 125 appearances he has an ERA of 1.91 and probably won't require more than a 2 year deal and it won't break the bank. Treinen would be nice, but I see him back with the Dodgers at some point. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:29:06 GMT -5
The Boyd contract reminds me of the outlandish deals that NFL teams give to a QB after a hot 5-8 stretch while completely ignoring history and/or why they were back ups. How anyone can have any faith in this front office is a mystery to me. Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. He's 34 years old. Stop this already. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:29:46 GMT -5
Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money.. Whoa... what are we doing here.... what? |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:31:56 GMT -5
Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. Boyd has a career 4.85 ERA, he can strikeout guys but also gives up a shitload of hard contract too. Hoping he is now a better than ever version of himself at the age 34 and has not pitched over a 100 innings since 2019 and was just signed by Jed to 2 years $29 million over a sample size. Sorry, I am not excited about this signing at all and borderline stupid since all know this is the big rotation addition. He's made 11 starts including postseason and gave up runs in 9 of them. Some posters defend anything the Cubs do lol |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:33:01 GMT -5
I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money.. That is what Jed is counting on, and why the Cubs are so mid. Yup, this is exactly what Jed was talking about in his season ending presser. And if Boyd falls flat, Jed will blame him not exceeding expectations. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:34:45 GMT -5
Talk about completely ignoring history. Most of his problems were elbow related over the years and he finally had TJ and came back from it and looked real good. So there is a chance he's not that oft injured pitcher whos numbers are in part what they are because of the elbow issues. He was always highly regarded. People want Flaherty and hes looking at 100+ million and his history is a little sketchy too. Maybe it was just a hot run for him but, we shall see but he looked damn good in the playoffs and proved he can pitch in big games. He's 34 years old. Stop this already. So what ? He's on a 2 year contract and looked real good after he came back from TJ and was great in the playoffs. I only brought up Flaherty who I'd much rather have as an example of a sketchy past and he's still going to get big money despite the sketchy past because he had a good season and was solid in the playoffs. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:38:36 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season. It's actually more complicated than that. Here are Shota's contract details. Team can unlock a $57M club option after 2025 ($20M in 2026, $20M in 2027, $17M in 2028). If declined, the player can exercise a $15M player option for 2026. If 2026 is team declined but player exercised, team can then unlock a $42M club option ($24M in 2027, $18M in 2028). If declined, the player can exercise a $15M player option for 2027. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:41:31 GMT -5
I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money.. Whoa... what are we doing here.... what? Fine follows the Guardians and watched him pitch last season and in the playoffs. I watched him pitch in the playoffs. He was a different pitcher after coming back from TJ. And his saying he is top 5 free agent pitcher , not far from reality , I believe he was the 7th ranked starter among the top 50. This is not the pitcher I wanted , he wasn't on my radar for the Cubs , but this could still be a very good signing if his last season was who he is as a pitcher right now , so I'm not going to get mad over it because just because it's not Fried. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:41:48 GMT -5
He's 34 years old. Stop this already. So what ? He's on a 2 year contract and looked real good after he came back from TJ and was great in the playoffs. I only brought up Flaherty who I'd much rather have as an example of a sketchy past and he's still going to get big money despite the sketchy past because he had a good season and was solid in the playoffs. You're positioning this as if this is some kind of 34 year old coming of Justin Verlander. This is a meh signing for more than they probably needed to pay him. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:44:52 GMT -5
2026 is potentially our last season w/ Shota. Boooo. He'll opt out if he gives us another strong season. It's actually more complicated than that. Here are Shota's contract details. Team can unlock a $57M club option after 2025 ($20M in 2026, $20M in 2027, $17M in 2028). If declined, the player can exercise a $15M player option for 2026. If 2026 is team declined but player exercised, team can then unlock a $42M club option ($24M in 2027, $18M in 2028). If declined, the player can exercise a $15M player option for 2027. It's not going to be complicated , if he has a good season it's a no brainer that they are unlocking that option |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 3, 2024 10:48:51 GMT -5
Whoa... what are we doing here.... what? Fine follows the Guardians and watched him pitch last season and in the playoffs. I watched him pitch in the playoffs. He was a different pitcher after coming back from TJ. And his saying he is top 5 free agent pitcher , not far from reality , I believe he was the 7th ranked starter among the top 50. This is not the pitcher I wanted , he wasn't on my radar for the Cubs , but this could still be a very good signing if his last season was who he is as a pitcher right now , so I'm not going to get mad over it because just because it's not Fried. You had no idea who he was until the Cubs signed him. Stop it already. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:50:56 GMT -5
So what ? He's on a 2 year contract and looked real good after he came back from TJ and was great in the playoffs. I only brought up Flaherty who I'd much rather have as an example of a sketchy past and he's still going to get big money despite the sketchy past because he had a good season and was solid in the playoffs. You're positioning this as if this is some kind of 34 year old coming of Justin Verlander. This is a meh signing for more than they probably needed to pay him. No , your interpretation of what I type is once again WAY off mark. NOWHERE did I say he's among the best pitchers in the game. I'm simply saying his past , injury history and his ERA's have a LOT to do with the elbow which he finally had TJ on , and when he came back he changed his repertoire and looked like a top end of a rotation type guy and not a bottom . Was it a hot streak or is this where he now is as a pitcher , it's a gamble but how many pitchers have there been lately that make changed late in a career and have become different pitchers. Look at Seth Lugo , hell 5-6 years ago his arm was said to be ready to fall off he had so many issues but would continue to pitch through them and at age 35 !!! He almost won a Cy Young . |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 10:52:23 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how they handle Boyd over a full season, they cannot realistically expecting him to provide 150+ innings and 30 starts right? he has not done that in 5 years and now 34 years old.
So makes me wonder if they view the 4th and 5th spot in the rotation as a match up based approach and will a mixture of Boyd, Brown, Assad, Wesneski, Wicks and Horton. We could see Boyd start one game and give you 3-4 innings then a couple nights later he is pitching in the 8th in a high leverage situation spot, same for Brown and so on as an example.
FO paid Counsel a shitload of money for a reason.
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