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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 10:55:32 GMT -5
Fine follows the Guardians and watched him pitch last season and in the playoffs. I watched him pitch in the playoffs. He was a different pitcher after coming back from TJ. And his saying he is top 5 free agent pitcher , not far from reality , I believe he was the 7th ranked starter among the top 50. This is not the pitcher I wanted , he wasn't on my radar for the Cubs , but this could still be a very good signing if his last season was who he is as a pitcher right now , so I'm not going to get mad over it because just because it's not Fried. You had no idea who he was until the Cubs signed him. Stop it already. No man, I'm not you. The Cubs were rumored to be interested in Boyd for years and he's been a guy we've talked about on here as a Cubs target for years . He's always been highly regarded but was always battling elbow issues and not living up to the hype . |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 11:02:01 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how they handle Boyd over a full season, they cannot realistically expecting him to provide 150+ innings and 30 starts right? he has not done that in 5 years and now 34 years old. So makes me wonder if they view the 4th and 5th spot in the rotation as a match up based approach and will a mixture of Boyd, Brown, Assad, Wesneski, Wicks and Horton. We could see Boyd start one game and give you 3-4 innings then a couple nights later he is pitching in the 8th in a high leverage situation spot, same for Brown and so on as an example. I don't know what they envision but I think you have to kind of erase the past with him because he'd been battling elbow issues which were finally solved with the TJ. He's 34 and on a 2 year deal , so I don't know how conservative or cautious they will be regarding his innings. they might be very , or not at all since he's signed for only 2 years and hope for the best. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 11:03:52 GMT -5
I think we’re getting 2 years of a top 5 FA starting pitcher for #3 / #4 type money.. Whoa... what are we doing here.... what? I am basing my "hopes" on watching him pitch this year after he was finally healthy which hasn't been the case since a short stretch in 2021 through early 2022, then all hell broke loose. I personally believe that he will be better than Taillon for us this year as long as he can stay healthy after his first TJ surgery in mid. 2023. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 11:14:59 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how they handle Boyd over a full season, they cannot realistically expecting him to provide 150+ innings and 30 starts right? he has not done that in 5 years and now 34 years old. So makes me wonder if they view the 4th and 5th spot in the rotation as a match up based approach and will a mixture of Boyd, Brown, Assad, Wesneski, Wicks and Horton. We could see Boyd start one game and give you 3-4 innings then a couple nights later he is pitching in the 8th in a high leverage situation spot, same for Brown and so on as an example. I don't know what they envision but I think you have to kind of erase the past with him because he'd been battling elbow issues which were finally solved with the TJ. He's 34 and on a 2 year deal , so I don't know how conservative or cautious they will be regarding his innings. they might be very , or not at all since he's signed for only 2 years and hope for the best. Even if healthy and he is new and improved version, it is such a major gamble to ask him to big a full time starter and be effective all season long. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 11:16:12 GMT -5
Boyd has a career 4.85 ERA, he can strikeout guys but also gives up a shitload of hard contract too. Hoping he is now a better than ever version of himself at the age 34 and has not pitched over a 100 innings since 2019 and was just signed by Jed to 2 years $29 million over a sample size. Sorry, I am not excited about this signing at all and borderline stupid since all know this is the big rotation addition. He's made 11 starts including postseason and gave up runs in 9 of them. Some posters defend anything the Cubs do lol Yes, he gave up runs in those 11 games in 51.1 innings this year BUT in 40 regular season innings he had a 2.72 ERA with a 1.1 WHIP AND in 3 post season games he had 12 innings & had a 0.77 ERA so he's a real dog signing. But if like you state based on his career ERA (mostly from 3 years ago and farther back) he doesn't seem nearly as good. I guess that's why MLB Traderumors had him as the 7th. best starting pitcher free agent in baseball with a contract estimate of 2 years & 25 million deal. And FYI, I am going to be all over Jed's & Tom's ass if the team this year doesn't win the division because anything less is unacceptable which blows your "defending anything the Cubs do" comment out of the water. I just really like the signing but that doesn't mean I think they need to be finished with making moves & additions.. |
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Post by happy on Dec 3, 2024 11:20:48 GMT -5
Whoa... what are we doing here.... what? I am basing my "hopes" on watching him pitch this year after he was finally healthy which hasn't been the case since a short stretch in 2021 through early 2022, then all hell broke loose. I personally believe that he will be better than Taillon for us this year as long as he can stay healthy after his first TJ surgery in mid. 2023. That’s setting the bar pretty low as I feel like Taillon is going to flirt with 5.00. I would like this signing a lot more if they traded Taillon and cleared out 18 million but I hate that the Cubs are throwing 33 million at the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation. ***im saying 4th and 5th slots because that is where they belong. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 11:23:18 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how they handle Boyd over a full season, they cannot realistically expecting him to provide 150+ innings and 30 starts right? he has not done that in 5 years and now 34 years old. So makes me wonder if they view the 4th and 5th spot in the rotation as a match up based approach and will a mixture of Boyd, Brown, Assad, Wesneski, Wicks and Horton. We could see Boyd start one game and give you 3-4 innings then a couple nights later he is pitching in the 8th in a high leverage situation spot, same for Brown and so on as an example. FO paid Counsel a shitload of money for a reason. Boyd will be 21 months removed from hi TJ surgery come opening day 2025 & if he is held to 150 innings - only 15 innings less than Taillon pitched this year then that should be just fine as long as he is effective.. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 11:24:10 GMT -5
I don't know what they envision but I think you have to kind of erase the past with him because he'd been battling elbow issues which were finally solved with the TJ. He's 34 and on a 2 year deal , so I don't know how conservative or cautious they will be regarding his innings. they might be very , or not at all since he's signed for only 2 years and hope for the best. Even if healthy and he is new and improved version, it is such a major gamble to ask him to big a full time starter and be effective all season long. It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 11:35:17 GMT -5
I am basing my "hopes" on watching him pitch this year after he was finally healthy which hasn't been the case since a short stretch in 2021 through early 2022, then all hell broke loose. I personally believe that he will be better than Taillon for us this year as long as he can stay healthy after his first TJ surgery in mid. 2023. That’s setting the bar pretty low as I feel like Taillon is going to flirt with 5.00. I would like this signing a lot more if they traded Taillon and cleared out 18 million but I hate that the Cubs are throwing 33 million at the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation. ***im saying 4th and 5th slots because that is where they belong. Well let's hope that if we don't trade Taillon this winter that he doesn't put up a 5 ERA & is more in the high 3's which after last years 3.27 ERA doesn't seem that much of a stretch as yours guess with him being over a 5 ERA.. I would like to see them deal Jameson this winter also, but it most likely won't be possible until pitchers start getting signed. Keep in mind for the contending teams to sign these top free agent starting pitchers it costs most all of them their 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & losing a good chunk of Int'l signing money so a fallback of Taillon coming off of an outstanding year ERA & WHIP wise at 18 mil per year is not as costly as it seems.. Large market teams shouldn't be afraid of spending 33 million on their #4 & #5 stating pitchers combined especially if they don't have a slugging team as ours sits right now. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 11:35:45 GMT -5
Even if healthy and he is new and improved version, it is such a major gamble to ask him to big a full time starter and be effective all season long. It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . This is the issue I have and others do to. He could be a steal sure, that would be fun and there is potential there but it just seems Jed is kind of counting on that which is frustrating part when there are sure things in this market who are more reliable. Hopefully this is not their big rotation add and they are thinking bigger and Boyd is going be this guy they move around the rotation a bullpen which will be a insanely valuable role. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 11:38:18 GMT -5
Even if healthy and he is new and improved version, it is such a major gamble to ask him to big a full time starter and be effective all season long. It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . I liked Manaea too but not at the cost of the 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & the Int'l money. I would have been okay with Soto or Burnes / Fried signing with the QO attached but not on anyone of the others. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 11:42:03 GMT -5
It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . I liked Manaea too but not at the cost of the 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & the Int'l money. I would have been okay with Soto or Burnes / Fried signing with the QO attached but not on anyone of the others. Evoldi was my target |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 11:50:52 GMT -5
It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . This is the issue I have and others do to. He could be a steal sure, that would be fun and there is potential there but it just seems Jed is kind of counting on that which is frustrating part when there are sure things in this market who are more reliable. Hopefully this is not their big rotation add and they are thinking bigger and Boyd is going be this guy they move around the rotation a bullpen which will be a insanely valuable role. I have the same issue, but it is what it is and apparently Jed isn't changing so like I said when it happened, it's his typical move while LA is signing Snell making their typical move. I'm past the point of really expecting anything different and I'm in the mind frame to try to accept and find positives in what they actually do. I posted the other day the amount of contracts the Cubs have given out that are over 50 million and it's fucking sad for one of the largest market teams. Complaining about it 24/7 like some do is only going to make me pissed off and I'm trying to enjoy my later years. |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 11:52:19 GMT -5
It is a gamble, I would rather have had them sign a guy like Manaea if they weren't going after the top tier guys , but I can't be mad at this signing, he looked real good last season and I watched him in the playoff games and he looked great. I'm just not going to be as happy if he is the main pitcher they acquire this winter and I'm afraid that's going to be the case. Like I said, he wasn't on my radar for them , not a guy I saw them signing, but I like the signing because it could be a potential steal if he is now the guy he was last season and I guess the general perception was he could be and that's why he was the 7th ranked SP on the market . I liked Manaea too but not at the cost of the 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & the Int'l money. I would have been okay with Soto or Burnes / Fried signing with the QO attached but not on anyone of the others. True, I forgot about the QO on Manaea, not worth it, that's going to really hurt him. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 12:01:41 GMT -5
I liked Manaea too but not at the cost of the 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & the Int'l money. I would have been okay with Soto or Burnes / Fried signing with the QO attached but not on anyone of the others. Evoldi was my target I would have been okay with Eovaldi as well. He is a year older than Boyd, more expensive and has 600 more innings on his arm but Fangraphs projects him to be good this year. Then again Fangraphs had projected Taillon and Boyd to be pretty bad in 2024 and was completely wrong on those so nobody's perfect.. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 12:05:05 GMT -5
This is the issue I have and others do to. He could be a steal sure, that would be fun and there is potential there but it just seems Jed is kind of counting on that which is frustrating part when there are sure things in this market who are more reliable. Hopefully this is not their big rotation add and they are thinking bigger and Boyd is going be this guy they move around the rotation a bullpen which will be a insanely valuable role. I have the same issue, but it is what it is and apparently Jed isn't changing so like I said when it happened, it's his typical move while LA is signing Snell making their typical move. I'm past the point of really expecting anything different and I'm in the mind frame to try to accept and find positives in what they actually do. I posted the other day the amount of contracts the Cubs have given out that are over 50 million and it's fucking sad for one of the largest market teams. Complaining about it 24/7 like some do is only going to make me pissed off and I'm trying to enjoy my later years. "I'm trying to enjoy my later years" haha!! Fair enough. lol Jed is going to Jed, he is going to die on this hill that you can build a succesful team with this approach. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 3, 2024 12:05:26 GMT -5
I liked Manaea too but not at the cost of the 2nd. & 5th. pick in the draft & the Int'l money. I would have been okay with Soto or Burnes / Fried signing with the QO attached but not on anyone of the others. True, I forgot about the QO on Manaea, not worth it, that's going to really hurt him. I agree & that is my one hope that they could maybe deal Taillon & his 2 years at 36 mil remaining salary to a team that doesn't want to lose the picks & the Int'l money.. I think we have a couple youngsters in Brown / Horton / Wicks that may very well be better & is 1/50th. the cost that could be spent elsewhere. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 3, 2024 12:08:27 GMT -5
I would love to move Taillon, he is highly likely going to regress next season and 2024 was a outliner but I just think every other team feels the same way about him and just not interested and kind of stuck.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 12:13:43 GMT -5
I have the same issue, but it is what it is and apparently Jed isn't changing so like I said when it happened, it's his typical move while LA is signing Snell making their typical move. I'm past the point of really expecting anything different and I'm in the mind frame to try to accept and find positives in what they actually do. I posted the other day the amount of contracts the Cubs have given out that are over 50 million and it's fucking sad for one of the largest market teams. Complaining about it 24/7 like some do is only going to make me pissed off and I'm trying to enjoy my later years. "I'm trying to enjoy my later years" haha!! Fair enough. lol Jed is going to Jed, he is going to die on this hill that you can build a succesful team with this approach. I was hoping since he was in a contract year that he'd change from his usual mode of operation and get some balls and be bold with his moves since the Cubs have a chance to be kings of this division and since he possibly would not be here to deal with long term deals if it all goes bad, but apparently nothing has changed , or it's just that he isn't allowed to make those deals . |
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2024 12:17:44 GMT -5
I would love to move Taillon, he is highly likely going to regress next season and 2024 was a outliner but I just think every other team feels the same way about him and just not interested and kind of stuck. I don't think many expect the guy to post up an ERA barely over 3 again , but he's always been thought of as a solid starting pitcher in the game . Why some people are expecting a 5+ ERA from a guy who just put up a 3.27 and has a career 3.89 and has never had an ERA over 5 is a little puzzling to me. What is wrong with a high 3's ERA ? |
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