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Post by kfidd on Dec 15, 2023 7:44:50 GMT -5
Per Bruce Levine, Cubs front office never even met with Ohtani. Another sign that it was LA all the way. Is that true? I guess it could still mean they had good discussions with the agent. Maybe true, maybe not. Do we trust Levine? It certainly seems like Ohtani was intent on going to the Dodgers after all, though it’s also not like he cut them a sweetheart deal or anything. Doubt we’ll ever know the exact offers made by all interested teams. But if the Cubs really were told no very early on I wonder what they’ve been cooking up/thinking about all these weeks. Still haven’t added a single player to the major league roster, rule 5 aside.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 15, 2023 7:53:50 GMT -5
Per Bruce Levine, Cubs front office never even met with Ohtani. Another sign that it was LA all the way. This is how people get the wrong impressions. Not attacking you , but by you just saying what you did make it sounds like a totally different story and like they didn't have interest because they never even met with him. The story did say the Cubs were very serious and made a very serious offer to his agent but it was clear that he was never leaving Southern California and didn't want to go to a team where he'd have to deal with cold weather and Toronto was in the picture as a slight possibility because they play in a dome. It also sounds like the Jays were used as a pawn to squeeze more out of the Dodgers.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 15, 2023 9:36:50 GMT -5
The way I understand it, Cubs were prepared to make a big offer and Ohtani just flat out said he wasn't interested in the Cubs. Oh well, nothing you can do about that.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 15, 2023 9:43:00 GMT -5
Per Bruce Levine, Cubs front office never even met with Ohtani. Another sign that it was LA all the way. This is how people get the wrong impressions. Not attacking you , but by you just saying what you did make it sounds like a totally different story and like they didn't have interest because they never even met with him. The story did say the Cubs were very serious and made a very serious offer to his agent but it was clear that he was never leaving Southern California and didn't want to go to a team where he'd have to deal with cold weather and Toronto was in the picture as a slight possibility because they play in a dome. It also sounds like the Jays were used as a pawn to squeeze more out of the Dodgers. People get the wrong impressions when they interpret things in their own manner. I'm sorry you read it that way. What I wrote was a simple statement that there was no in person interaction between Ohtani and the Cubs front office, and my opinion that Chicago was never in the plans. Yes the front office was very serious and made a serious offer, but in reality they weren't even allowed a seat at the table. In my opinion if you're a player being courted and fielding serious offers, you're sitting down and meeting with their front office for not only their contract proposal but for their vision and plan with said player over the course of that contract. This isn't real estate where you submit a bid and wait, this is a relationship. It was always LA all the way, and all teams involved were used to get the Dodgers top offer. Even San Fran and the Angels are now saying they had those terms made available to them, SF claiming they were agreeable and Angels refusing to match. It was all a ploy (IMO) for the max money from LAD.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 15, 2023 10:08:26 GMT -5
This is how people get the wrong impressions. Not attacking you , but by you just saying what you did make it sounds like a totally different story and like they didn't have interest because they never even met with him. The story did say the Cubs were very serious and made a very serious offer to his agent but it was clear that he was never leaving Southern California and didn't want to go to a team where he'd have to deal with cold weather and Toronto was in the picture as a slight possibility because they play in a dome. It also sounds like the Jays were used as a pawn to squeeze more out of the Dodgers. People get the wrong impressions when they interpret things in their own manner. I'm sorry you read it that way. What I wrote was a simple statement that there was no in person interaction between Ohtani and the Cubs front office, and my opinion that Chicago was never in the plans. Yes the front office was very serious and made a serious offer, but in reality they weren't even allowed a seat at the table. In my opinion if you're a player being courted and fielding serious offers, you're sitting down and meeting with their front office for not only their contract proposal but for their vision and plan with said player over the course of that contract. This isn't real estate where you submit a bid and wait, this is a relationship. It was always LA all the way, and all teams involved were used to get the Dodgers top offer. Even San Fran and the Angels are now saying they had those terms made available to them, SF claiming they were agreeable and Angels refusing to match. It was all a ploy (IMO) for the max money from LAD. I wasn't talking about you specifically , just statements like that like you say can lead to people interpreting it differrently and thinking the Cubs simply didn't bother and werent willing to spend the money and who knows what they offered to his agent or were willing to but from reports it was right in the ballpark with what people were initially predicting. As I was saying all along well before free agency even opened up I wasn't going to get my hopes up because I gave the Cubs 0-1 % chance to sign him. If there was something he didn't like about Southern California then they had that small chance, if he liked SoCal then they had no chance as did any other team really and that's what it's sounding like.
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Post by trav768 on Dec 15, 2023 10:52:06 GMT -5
problem have with Ohtani is that if it was Dodgers and only the Dodgers, then why the heck did it take forever make it official? wasted a whole week of winter meetings and nothing got done cause waiting for Ohtani
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Post by kfidd on Dec 15, 2023 10:56:54 GMT -5
problem have with Ohtani is that if it was Dodgers and only the Dodgers, then why the heck did it take forever make it official? wasted a whole week of winter meetings and nothing got done cause waiting for Ohtani Selfish rat. Ohtani is now public enemy number one. Not because he’s a bad dude, but because he’s now a Dodger. That’s all it takes.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 15, 2023 11:07:17 GMT -5
problem have with Ohtani is that if it was Dodgers and only the Dodgers, then why the heck did it take forever make it official? wasted a whole week of winter meetings and nothing got done cause waiting for Ohtani Selfish rat. Ohtani is now public enemy number one. Not because he’s a bad dude, but because he’s now a Dodger. That’s all it takes. Ohtani is the MLB version of LeBron
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 15, 2023 13:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by lu13cubbie on Dec 15, 2023 15:05:58 GMT -5
That's funny right there, I don't care who you are, that's funny!
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Post by nukeslide on Dec 16, 2023 10:46:44 GMT -5
New article on mlbTradeRumors where Ohtani's agent says Cubs were a finalist.
I'd assume the Cubs were a "finalist" for leverage only, but nonetheless.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 16, 2023 10:59:53 GMT -5
New article on mlbTradeRumors where Ohtani's agent says Cubs were a finalist. I'd assume the Cubs were a "finalist" for leverage only, but nonetheless. I think the other 4 teams were all for leverage only , he seems overjoyed to be a Dodger and I believe agent speak more over what the insiders claim they got as info so I think we finally got legit info on this . Just good to know the Cubs seemed to put in a solid effort and I never thought they had a chance anyway so I'm at peace with it.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 17, 2023 18:25:48 GMT -5
New article on mlbTradeRumors where Ohtani's agent says Cubs were a finalist. I'd assume the Cubs were a "finalist" for leverage only, but nonetheless. I think the other 4 teams were all for leverage only , he seems overjoyed to be a Dodger and I believe agent speak more over what the insiders claim they got as info so I think we finally got legit info on this . Just good to know the Cubs seemed to put in a solid effort and I never thought they had a chance anyway so I'm at peace with it. And the angels supposedly didnt want to match the 10/700 from LA (can ya blame em?)
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 18, 2023 10:42:23 GMT -5
Dodgers showed Ohtani a pitch video from 2017 from Kobe Bryant that they were never able to use the first time around. Damn, can't match stuff like that.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 18, 2023 11:40:05 GMT -5
Could Ohtani have asked for a billion and received it? I think yes if Ohtani was all about the money, which is humorous to state given the 700 million contract.
Imagine the team that signs the first player to a billion dollar contract.
As a kid, I recall reading about and being amazed at the Sandberg contract, believe it was 4 years 28 million or something like that.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 18, 2023 12:04:59 GMT -5
Could Ohtani have asked for a billion and received it? I think yes if Ohtani was all about the money, which is humorous to state given the 700 million contract. Imagine the team that signs the first player to a billion dollar contract. As a kid, I recall reading about and being amazed at the Sandberg contract, believe it was 4 years 28 million or something like that. Yep and all the teams were pissed at the Cubs because I think the highest AAV's were around 3-4 and they asked what happened to 5 and 6
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 18, 2023 12:05:29 GMT -5
Could Ohtani have asked for a billion and received it? I think yes if Ohtani was all about the money, which is humorous to state given the 700 million contract. Imagine the team that signs the first player to a billion dollar contract. As a kid, I recall reading about and being amazed at the Sandberg contract, believe it was 4 years 28 million or something like that. Yep, I remember the early 90s As having several $3 million dollar guys and it being absolutely unheard of. Sandberg caught a lot of grief for that deal as well. I think it will be another generation or two before that billion dollar mark gets hit. Ohtani is a unicorn where he got paid both as much as the best pitcher in the game as well as the best hitter, I don't think that will come around again for a long time. For a player getting paid on only 1 side of the ball 500M will be the next big milestone, and I'm sure Soto will be aiming for it. That said, 5+ years ago these types of contracts were still unheard of and Harper's deal was thought by many to be crazy. But the years and the dollars just keep on rising. I keep thinking teams will regret them in the future, but we're not close enough yet to that. Seattle with Cano was one of the first to feel the pain of a 10 year deal, which they fortunately handed off to the Mets.
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