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Post by rvn11 on Dec 12, 2023 10:05:36 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really get the whole up in arms things over Ohtani’s deferrals. I said it all year, whoever signs him is going to have to get creative with the contract language as no team can justify a big annual CBT hit. I was way off on the dollars but the idea is there. At the end of the day that CBT hit is what, 43m? When MLBTR launched their free agent predictions they suggested 12/528 for him. That’s 44m annually. Did they get fancy in order to secure him in disgustingly fugly Dodger blue? Yes. Should deferrals be up for discussion in the next CBT? Yes. The precedent is being set here and I imagine we’ll see something similar with Soto next winter, maybe even Yamamoto this go around. And is it unfair to the small market clubs? Yes (though I won’t take pity on owners who can but choose not to spend). But at the end of the day this falls in line with what we were expecting, a mid 40s annual consideration for Ohtani’s services. Let's face it, the Dodgers are the new Yankees. To me it was more of a double whammy of him choosing the Dodgers when I hoped he wouldn't, but in doing so I assumed would put a damper on their finances in the near future. To find out he went to the team most wanted him to not go to, and with a limited impact on their spending ability, that was salt in the wound. This is absolutely within the rules, but they took a loophole that others were using to help out a little bit, and exploited the hell out of it. Further I heard all last night that this opens them up to even further spending, in the likes of Yoshi or trading for Glasnow. This will likely be addressed at the next CBA, but for the meantime will change things quite a bit. Here comes the wave of deferred deals, which I don't mind to help cushion the player into retirement. But this is something different entirely.
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Post by lu13cubbie on Dec 12, 2023 10:50:38 GMT -5
Well good. Let's sign Bellinger now for a hundred bucks a year for as many years as it takes.
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Post by cfin on Dec 12, 2023 12:25:41 GMT -5
What's to stop Ricketts or any other owner from buying a small mom and pop grocery store, then signing a player to a 10 year $2M contract and then using the grocery store front to sign an endorsement deal with the player for $700M over 10 years?
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 12, 2023 15:12:03 GMT -5
What's to stop Ricketts or any other owner from buying a small mom and pop grocery store, then signing a player to a 10 year $2M contract and then using the grocery store front to sign an endorsement deal with the player for $700M over 10 years? well for one thing you cant sign a player for below the mlb minimum. I think it's not allowed for teams to discuss marketing with players for another
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Post by nukeslide on Dec 12, 2023 18:06:27 GMT -5
It just doesn't sit right with me. I read that besides Ohtani, the Dodgers deferred a large portion of Freeman and Betts salary as well. It seems that is the way of the world; to kick the can down the road and let the next guy worry about the fallout. Problem is, if MLB is fine with it, there is no one to reign it in. The players? Heck no, they get more money in the long run. The teams? No way, there are too many large market teams who see this as a way to narrow the competition and stay on top. Small market teams already have a small window of opportunity and it just got smaller. MLB needs to take a page from the NFL: Parity is good for everyone involved. This is heading in the wrong direction and will hurt the game. It's even more of a stacked deck. It can really bite teams in the butt if something happens (economy/covid/fan disinterest after the next strike/etc) and they have all this deferred money catch up with them. Kinda like the people who buy things on the zero percent interest type promos and then shit happens. Hats off to the Dodgers for finding a creative loophole, something Theo probably would have done.
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Post by TheChico on Dec 12, 2023 19:27:47 GMT -5
Reports are that the Giants matched the Dodgers offer and were agreement to the same Deferred comp plan as well, but Ohtani choose LA.
Damn...
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 13, 2023 8:47:04 GMT -5
Reports are that the Giants matched the Dodgers offer and were agreement to the same Deferred comp plan as well, but Ohtani choose LA. Damn... Sounds like it was always LA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 10:24:37 GMT -5
Nothing you can really do, he wanted LA all along.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 13, 2023 11:10:26 GMT -5
How did the Giants know the Dodgers were doing this? Hmmmmm leaked info ha ha
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Post by batman66 on Dec 13, 2023 11:40:10 GMT -5
How did the Giants know the Dodgers were doing this? Hmmmmm leaked info ha ha Or the agent was going back and forth with LA and SF and said this is what they are doing, what you got for us. Who knows what the real story is , we previously heard no team came within 100 million of LA's offer.
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Post by fine09 on Dec 13, 2023 11:47:34 GMT -5
How did the Giants know the Dodgers were doing this? Hmmmmm leaked info ha ha Or the agent was going back and forth with LA and SF and said this is what they are doing, what you got for us. Who knows what the real story is , we previously heard no team came within 100 million of LA's offer. Honestly who can blame him for wanting to live is So Cal with the weather & culture along with everything that he is used to being around. Plus with the deferrals he can move 1 state over & save 20% on the taxes he pays on the real money he will make when those payments start flowing in..
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 13, 2023 11:47:51 GMT -5
I was being tongue in cheek since it was rumored Ohtani would hold it against teams for leaked info
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Post by zeke on Dec 13, 2023 15:14:53 GMT -5
2024 Predictions:
1. Dodgers will win all 162 games as well as all playoff and World Series games 2. Ohtani will bat .400 plus with 80 home runs 3. Ohtani will marry Taylor Swift 4. Dodgers will hire a canine psychologist after dog bites Taylor.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 13, 2023 15:45:51 GMT -5
copy/pasted from bleacherreport: MLB's collective bargaining agreement between the players and owners contains specific language about how there are "no limitations" on the amount of deferred money in a player's contract.
Per FanGraphs' Jon Becker, the actual present value of Ohtani's deal is $460.8 million because money now is worth more than in the future due to factors like inflation.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 13, 2023 19:22:46 GMT -5
Ohtani has an opt out. If owner Mark Walter or Andrew Freidman leave the organization Ohtani has opt out privileges.
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Post by Drav on Dec 13, 2023 22:10:59 GMT -5
Ohtani has an opt out. If owner Mark Walter or Andrew Freidman leave the organization Ohtani has opt out privileges. He has 2 opts outs. If he feels the Dodgers are not making moves to be competitive, he can opt out. Not sure how enforceable that it.
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Post by nukeslide on Dec 13, 2023 22:18:16 GMT -5
Ohtani has an opt out. If owner Mark Walter or Andrew Freidman leave the organization Ohtani has opt out privileges. He has 2 opts outs. If he feels the Dodgers are not making moves to be competitive, he can opt out. Not sure how enforceable that it. I'd imagine if the Dodgers weren't winning and Ohtani wanted out, the Dodgers would be very happy with it. At that point, the marriage would be over.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 14, 2023 10:46:45 GMT -5
Per an executive in MLB... Ohtani deferral is purely tax related. Califoria law, if you establish residency outside California for more than 10 years you do not have to pay tax on income for CA. Which falls exactly in line with the deferral starting in 10 years.
That executive said it's absolutely bullshit that it had anything to do with clearing salary to sign other players because "Ohtani cares about winning". It was purely California tax avoidance.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 14, 2023 12:50:03 GMT -5
Per Bruce Levine, Cubs front office never even met with Ohtani. Another sign that it was LA all the way.
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Post by nukeslide on Dec 15, 2023 7:18:07 GMT -5
Per Bruce Levine, Cubs front office never even met with Ohtani. Another sign that it was LA all the way. Is that true? I guess it could still mean they had good discussions with the agent.
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