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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 11, 2023 20:27:44 GMT -5
Apparently to all national media writers, this is the greatest thing to ever happen in baseball. Goodbye Small market teams, Super teams are going to be formed out of this. Can teams just leave MLB? Could all the small market teams just leave MLB and make their own league? MLB bought out the vast majority of indy ball leagues in the past. Its too bad, really. I'd love to see a legit alternate to mlb (that i can watch on tv).
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Post by Reverency on Dec 11, 2023 20:43:12 GMT -5
Apparently to all national media writers, this is the greatest thing to ever happen in baseball. Goodbye Small market teams, Super teams are going to be formed out of this. Can teams just leave MLB? Could all the small market teams just leave MLB and make their own league? In my dreams, maybe, but the "haves-who-have-a-helluva-lot" share and support the "have-nots" so there's not much of an incentive.
Maybe the Saudi's will bankroll a LIV-baseball alternative (J/K, of course).
I do think MLB will have to fix this, and Ohtani's signing might do for the future of free agency what Curt Flood did for its birth.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 20:55:15 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers
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Post by batman66 on Dec 11, 2023 21:05:41 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 11, 2023 21:09:27 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers And maybe by the time they have to pay the team will be sold.
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 11, 2023 21:10:14 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing. I read an article awhile back stating Gronk has never touched a penny of his NFL salary.
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Post by cfin on Dec 11, 2023 21:13:11 GMT -5
The Dodgers pulled the rug from under everyone’s feet. They’re playing big boy baseball 2 Million a year for 10 years, the $46 CBT hit does not mean jack shit in this situation. if this is the new standard, the small market teams should fold now, they are toast. If it's a $46M CBT hit for the next 20 years, then it makes some sense.
But if it's just $46M for the next 10 years, then I don't know how MLB explains this.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 21:13:24 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing. So he resets the market, yet his existing team really doesn’t have to pay the price. Doesn’t quite seem right.
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Post by fine09 on Dec 11, 2023 21:13:49 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing. MLB has to okay the deferral amount so it isn't at all done yet so with any luck they won't allow it to the extent that the Dodgers are disclosing. I sure hope not because for MLB to put a luxury tax threshold in place but then allow a way for teams to cheat around it doesn't seem like good business to me.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 21:18:03 GMT -5
Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing. MLB has to okay the deferral amount so it isn't at all done yet so with any luck they won't allow it to the extent that the Dodgers are disclosing. I sure hope not because for MLB to put a luxury tax threshold in place but then allow a way for teams to cheat around it doesn't seem like good business to me. According to Passan it’s already official. x.com/jeffpassan/status/1734349354952233007?s=46&t=kFg87nqzXX80kUnCbOK4sg
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 21:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 11, 2023 21:26:22 GMT -5
Yamamoto to the Dodgers by the end of the week? Will likely pay him 21 million in 2043 to make it an even 100 million owed to 3 retired players.
Get it done Dodgers.
Need to get rid of Roberts but hey maybe that is the secret deal between the teams and the Dodgers, have the idiot continue to be the manager.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 21:31:42 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers And maybe by the time they have to pay the team will be sold. And if not 68m in 10 years might not be what it once was. 10 years ago Cano at 240m/10 years was seen as crazy, now 24 per isn’t cheap but isn’t far off from a qualifying offer.
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Post by rvn11 on Dec 11, 2023 21:33:40 GMT -5
Yamamoto to the Dodgers by the end of the week? Will likely pay him 21 million in 2043 to make it an even 100 million owed to 3 retired players. Get it done Dodgers. Need to get rid of Roberts but hey maybe that is the secret deal between the teams and the Dodgers, have the idiot continue to be the manager. Roberts still coaching and October Keyshaw on the mound the only things that can save the rest of the league.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 4:07:54 GMT -5
For anyone wondering, Ohtani's deferrals are perfectly legal:
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Post by kfidd on Dec 12, 2023 5:19:53 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really get the whole up in arms things over Ohtani’s deferrals. I said it all year, whoever signs him is going to have to get creative with the contract language as no team can justify a big annual CBT hit. I was way off on the dollars but the idea is there. At the end of the day that CBT hit is what, 43m? When MLBTR launched their free agent predictions they suggested 12/528 for him. That’s 44m annually.
Did they get fancy in order to secure him in disgustingly fugly Dodger blue? Yes. Should deferrals be up for discussion in the next CBT? Yes. The precedent is being set here and I imagine we’ll see something similar with Soto next winter, maybe even Yamamoto this go around. And is it unfair to the small market clubs? Yes (though I won’t take pity on owners who can but choose not to spend).
But at the end of the day this falls in line with what we were expecting, a mid 40s annual consideration for Ohtani’s services.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 12, 2023 7:35:55 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really get the whole up in arms things over Ohtani’s deferrals. I said it all year, whoever signs him is going to have to get creative with the contract language as no team can justify a big annual CBT hit. I was way off on the dollars but the idea is there. At the end of the day that CBT hit is what, 43m? When MLBTR launched their free agent predictions they suggested 12/528 for him. That’s 44m annually. Did they get fancy in order to secure him in disgustingly fugly Dodger blue? Yes. Should deferrals be up for discussion in the next CBT? Yes. The precedent is being set here and I imagine we’ll see something similar with Soto next winter, maybe even Yamamoto this go around. And is it unfair to the small market clubs? Yes (though I won’t take pity on owners who can but choose not to spend). But at the end of the day this falls in line with what we were expecting, a mid 40s annual consideration for Ohtani’s services. I know one thing , none of us would be complaining if the Cubs signed him to this kind of contract. Well maybe I shouldn't say none of us , we have some people who complain about everything the Cubs do.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 12, 2023 9:51:46 GMT -5
I can understand 10-25% deferred, this is insane. Have to imagine this will open the floodgates on deferred contacts, going around the current luxury tax system, which will then be closed with the next CBA. Can help but think the dodgers had this planned for a while and kept in their pocket until the best possible opportunity. Chess v checkers Supposedly it was Ohtani's idea to defer the money so it seems he was always destined for the Dodgers. I read he makes 50 million a year in endorsements so that's why he'll be just fine only banking 2 million a year from baseball and then still cashing in like a madman when he's done playing. The Michael Jordan effect.... was never really paid by the NBA, but made boatloads with Nike/Jordan brand.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 12, 2023 9:54:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, they look really good, but I ain't scared of the Dodgers Cubs can still put a good team together to compete with anyone if they really want to. Hopefully they do.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Dec 12, 2023 9:55:54 GMT -5
It just doesn't sit right with me. I read that besides Ohtani, the Dodgers deferred a large portion of Freeman and Betts salary as well. It seems that is the way of the world; to kick the can down the road and let the next guy worry about the fallout. Problem is, if MLB is fine with it, there is no one to reign it in. The players? Heck no, they get more money in the long run. The teams? No way, there are too many large market teams who see this as a way to narrow the competition and stay on top. Small market teams already have a small window of opportunity and it just got smaller. MLB needs to take a page from the NFL: Parity is good for everyone involved. This is heading in the wrong direction and will hurt the game. It's even more of a stacked deck.
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