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Post by sjwil506 on Dec 3, 2023 20:22:34 GMT -5
A bit premature, but just preparing everyone for the inevitable.
From the beginning, it was going to happen. Nothing the Cubs could do about it, time to move on and build the team, just saying.
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Post by foolforthecity on Dec 3, 2023 21:14:19 GMT -5
I hope you’re wrong, but I won’t be surprised.
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Post by kfidd on Dec 3, 2023 21:18:45 GMT -5
To my knowledge Ohtani has never said anything indicating preference for the Dodgers. All this speculation is because they have money, they are competitive where the Angles have not been, and he may just like living in California and wish to remain there.
He may well end up signing with the Dodgers. I’ve never felt like from anything we’ve heard that its nature was anything more than speculative. The reasons for him to do so are certainly there. We’ll see what happens.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 3, 2023 22:05:06 GMT -5
A bit premature, but just preparing everyone for the inevitable. From the beginning, it was going to happen. Nothing the Cubs could do about it, time to move on and build the team, just saying. Won't surprise me at all , I said from the get go that I think he will sign with them and the Cubs have next to no chance. The only chance they have is if he's not crazy about the SoCal atmosphere and lifesyle. I'm sure they will move on when they feel they are out of it. |
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Post by fine09 on Dec 4, 2023 10:34:54 GMT -5
A bit premature, but just preparing everyone for the inevitable. From the beginning, it was going to happen. Nothing the Cubs could do about it, time to move on and build the team, just saying. I really hope that he doesn't but if he does I'd really like it to happen quick.. |
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 4, 2023 11:40:49 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch?
Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines.
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Post by batman66 on Dec 4, 2023 12:33:10 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch? Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines. Thats the thing , I don't think you get anywhere near the return in merchandising , ticket sales etc etc with Soto that you would with Ohtani and that's about the only real reason it's worth paying a guy 500+ million. On the field they might be better off signing Soto next winter and grabbing an ace like Yamamoto now , over signing Ohtani but you can't ignore the unprecedented income a player like Ohtani would bring back to a team. |
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Post by kfidd on Dec 4, 2023 12:42:56 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch? Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines. Thats the thing , I don't think you get anywhere near the return in merchandising , ticket sales etc etc with Soto that you would with Ohtani and that's about the only real reason it's worth paying a guy 500+ million. On the field they might be better off signing Soto next winter and grabbing an ace like Yamamoto now , over signing Ohtani but you can't ignore the unprecedented income a player like Ohtani would bring back to a team. What’s also crazy to me is we might not be talking that much of a dollar difference between Soto and Ohtani after all. Remember, he turned down 440m from the Nats. Is he going to be looking for 500+ next winter? Annual average may be different but ultimately that’s at least the rumored ballpark Ohtani will land in as well. At that point who is more valuable, Ohtani the potential two way player or the five year younger corner outfielder (that should just be a DH) Soto? That’s not even factoring in the merchandising and other business realities that you mentioned. I won’t complain in either case but it sure would nice to have at least one of them. |
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 4, 2023 12:48:42 GMT -5
Shoo fly, don't bother us
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Post by batman66 on Dec 4, 2023 12:53:18 GMT -5
Thats the thing , I don't think you get anywhere near the return in merchandising , ticket sales etc etc with Soto that you would with Ohtani and that's about the only real reason it's worth paying a guy 500+ million. On the field they might be better off signing Soto next winter and grabbing an ace like Yamamoto now , over signing Ohtani but you can't ignore the unprecedented income a player like Ohtani would bring back to a team. What’s also crazy to me is we might not be talking that much of a dollar difference between Soto and Ohtani after all. Remember, he turned down 440m from the Nats. Is he going to be looking for 500+ next winter? Annual average may be different but ultimately that’s at least the rumored ballpark Ohtani will land in as well. At that point who is more valuable, Ohtani the potential two way player or the five year younger corner outfielder (that should just be a DH) Soto? That’s not even factoring in the merchandising and other business realities that you mentioned. I won’t complain in either case but it sure would nice to have at least one of them. I would much rather have Ohtani , Soto for some reason and I could be totally wrong kind of gives me the Sammy Sosa it's all about me prima donna type vibe. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 4, 2023 12:53:48 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch? Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines. Thats the thing , I don't think you get anywhere near the return in merchandising , ticket sales etc etc with Soto that you would with Ohtani and that's about the only real reason it's worth paying a guy 500+ million. On the field they might be better off signing Soto next winter and grabbing an ace like Yamamoto now , over signing Ohtani but you can't ignore the unprecedented income a player like Ohtani would bring back to a team. 100% Correct! The Revenue streams between the two players is not even close, If the Cubs sign Ohtani and it is at $50 million per year the Cubs still would have more payroll financial flexibly then they would if they traded for Soto. |
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Post by trav768 on Dec 4, 2023 12:59:06 GMT -5
I'm prepared either way. Hawkins and Jed did all they could and Ohtani signs else where, so be it.
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Post by fine09 on Dec 4, 2023 13:04:54 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch? Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines. Fair point, but "Pre-injury" Ohtani would have cost another 20% in this contract so would the Cubs even be in on him this winter? I personally believe Ohtani will be able to pitch very well for another 4 years minimum & then I would rotate him to 1st. base as opposed to the outfield just to protect him from injuries & he is an outstanding athlete more than capable of playing 1st. base at an elite level for years. We'll see but even if we don't win the Ohtani sweepstakes I think they pivot instantly to Yamamoto & others which is one hell of a second place prize. |
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Post by irishcubfan on Dec 4, 2023 13:13:37 GMT -5
Pre injury would have loved to have Ohtani. How many years is he going to actually pitch? Would much rather they spend money on 26 year old DH maybe OF Soto next year versus 30 year old DH maybe OF maybe P Ohtani. Think Soto will outproduce Ohtani during the duration of their next contracts. Granted the Cubs are looking at Ohtani from an on and off field product instead of solely between the baseball lines. Fair point, but "Pre-injury" Ohtani would have cost another 20% in this contract so would the Cubs even be in on him this winter? I personally believe Ohtani will be able to pitch very well for another 4 years minimum & then I would rotate him to 1st. base as opposed to the outfield just to protect him from injuries & he is an outstanding athlete more than capable of playing 1st. base at an elite level for years. We'll see but even if we don't win the Ohtani sweepstakes I think they pivot instantly to Yamamoto & others which is one hell of a second place prize. On board with Yamamoto over anyone else in free agency. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 4, 2023 19:13:55 GMT -5
Buster Onley talked to a player agent who believes Ohtani already knows where he is going to sign and think it will be the Angels due to his devoted routine and no other team will be able to offer the same or more autonomy as the Angels.
While that is a great point but Ohtani also said he wants to win and Angels suck.
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Post by nukeslide on Dec 4, 2023 20:31:21 GMT -5
Buster Onley talked to a player agent who believes Ohtani already knows where he is going to sign and think it will be the Angels due to his devoted routine and no other team will be able to offer the same or more autonomy as the Angels. While that is a great point but Ohtani also said he wants to win and Angels suck. 100% he knows where he is going, all other teams are just playing charades. It will be southern California, that's his comfort zone.
Don't turn this into another Steve Garvey type shell game, don't fall for that bs.
Cubs, Toronto, Braves, ...no chance
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 4, 2023 22:53:40 GMT -5
Buster Onley talked to a player agent who believes Ohtani already knows where he is going to sign and think it will be the Angels due to his devoted routine and no other team will be able to offer the same or more autonomy as the Angels. While that is a great point but Ohtani also said he wants to win and Angels suck. Worst farm in the game, atleast by fangraphs. They dont have a winner and they aint gonna have a winner. I hope he hasn't decided and is just stringing everyone along like that for whatever reason. For someone to doesn't appear to be all about the money that seems unlikely to me. Whos ohtanis agent? |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Dec 5, 2023 10:44:59 GMT -5
I too think it's the Angels
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Post by TheChico on Dec 5, 2023 12:34:42 GMT -5
I too think it's the Angels It would be lame enough to happen but his routine is very critical to him and cannot be overlooked. playing at Wrigley is a different beast than playing for the low key Angels. |
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Post by TheChico on Dec 5, 2023 12:53:16 GMT -5
Apparently per Bob Nightengale he made it sound like the Cubs have been eliminated and the final 4 teams are the Giants, Jays, Dodgers and Angels.
So I expect the press conference to be next Monday in Chicago for the Ohtani signing? lol
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