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Post by Mike on Aug 16, 2023 16:54:07 GMT -5
I doubt he pitches again this year, just say he has to rest for all of August... rehab and ramp up is probably takes all of September and maybe we get a feelgood story if he makes a postseason appearance.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 17, 2023 22:39:32 GMT -5
Gonna bump this to gage some opinions. Mine: Stro opts in knowing he won't get an extension now based on his injury & inconsistent body of work. Hopefully he comes back strong next year and we deal with the extension question after he has had a good to great season. Could work out well for us next year, who knows I like having players around on their walk year. Hard to beat financial incentive.
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Post by rvn11 on Aug 18, 2023 9:03:23 GMT -5
Coomer said on The Score this morning that on Sunday Stroman looked great. Did his side session in Toronto, was even taking grounders on the infield during BP. Nothing to show this might have been looming. Didn't see anything that would have caused and Wouldn't speculate that being on field caused the current issue.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 18, 2023 9:09:56 GMT -5
Coomer said on The Score this morning that on Sunday Stroman looked great. Did his side session in Toronto, was even taking grounders on the infield during BP. Nothing to show this might have been looming. Didn't see anything that would have caused and Wouldn't speculate that being on field caused the current issue. "It's an unusual injury for a pitcher," said Jed Hoyer, the Cubs' president of baseball operations. "We found out on Sunday he was having some issues. We didn't know if it was muscular, we didn't know if it was skeletal. We didn't know if it was indigestion. We didn't know what it was."
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Post by rvn11 on Aug 18, 2023 9:57:30 GMT -5
Coomer said on The Score this morning that on Sunday Stroman looked great. Did his side session in Toronto, was even taking grounders on the infield during BP. Nothing to show this might have been looming. Didn't see anything that would have caused and Wouldn't speculate that being on field caused the current issue. "It's an unusual injury for a pitcher," said Jed Hoyer, the Cubs' president of baseball operations. "We found out on Sunday he was having some issues. We didn't know if it was muscular, we didn't know if it was skeletal. We didn't know if it was indigestion. We didn't know what it was." Interesting. I'm sure the front office knows more than the radio guy. I have to wonder if the issues began Sunday afternoon/evening. If he were having some issues that they knew about, he sure as hell wouldn't be fielding grounders during BP.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 18, 2023 10:53:07 GMT -5
Someone on the radio was suggesting he may have got hit by a ball. The thing is, the MRI showed a fracture, so something did happen, it's not made up, but "what?" is the question.
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Post by rvn11 on Aug 18, 2023 11:06:15 GMT -5
Someone on the radio was suggesting he may have got hit by a ball. The thing is, the MRI showed a fracture, so something did happen, it's not made up, but "what?" is the question. Nobody's denying that it happened or calling it a fake injury, maybe asking the "how?".
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 18, 2023 11:23:57 GMT -5
Someone on the radio was suggesting he may have got hit by a ball. The thing is, the MRI showed a fracture, so something did happen, it's not made up, but "what?" is the question. Nobody's denying that it happened or calling it a fake injury, maybe asking the "how?". Callers on the radio originally were suggesting it was made up and there's a rift between Stro and the Cubs because Stro wanted to be traded, but that wouldn't make any sense. That would destroy Stro's value to any team if he behaved that way when he's an FA. He could of easily fractured it pitching in his BP session.
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Post by rvn11 on Aug 18, 2023 11:34:09 GMT -5
Nobody's denying that it happened or calling it a fake injury, maybe asking the "how?". Callers on the radio originally were suggesting it was made up and there's a rift between Stro and the Cubs because Stro wanted to be traded, but that wouldn't make any sense. That would destroy Stro's value to any team if he behaved that way when he's an FA. He could of easily fractured it pitching in his BP session. I didn't hear those callers, but there are a lot of idiots out there. All I'm going by is an interview with Coomer where Ron said he looked great and that the hip issue seemed behind him, and there wasn't a doubt in his mind that he would be coming back this past Wednesday, and between that time and Tuesday something changed. He wasn't insinuating anything in regards to a false injury, more a comment as to how abruptly things changed.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 18, 2023 12:40:31 GMT -5
Nobody's denying that it happened or calling it a fake injury, maybe asking the "how?". Callers on the radio originally were suggesting it was made up and there's a rift between Stro and the Cubs because Stro wanted to be traded, but that wouldn't make any sense. That would destroy Stro's value to any team if he behaved that way when he's an FA. He could of easily fractured it pitching in his BP session. That would be about as dumb a story possible. He wanted to stay , clearly said many times him and Belli want to stay. Going by the dumb ass caller mentality stuff , there was a story that I saw prior to his hip injury being disclosed that some had suggested that he was pitching like shit on purpose to destroy his trade value so he would not get traded. It's kind of a sad world when radio call in fans get shit put in print by websites , blogs, aired by podcasts etc just to encite clickbait. There is sooooooooooo much crap that pops up on my internet that I've almpst stopped clicking on most of it unless it's a well known source.
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Post by chubbycub on Aug 19, 2023 8:17:04 GMT -5
Hmmm..."an unusual injury for a pitcher"? But not unusual for, say....a pitcher who takes ground balls in practice? I think the shortstop got hurt, so we lost a pitcher for at least a month. Kinda reminds me of a blistered line drive bad one hopper that punched my gut decades ago and gave me a good bruise and was tender for a couple of weeks. Couldn't throw with any power or take a really deep breath and hold it. They called it a contusion. The MRI showed nothing because it wasn't invented yet.
First text I read about it was that he had a right rib cartridge thing. What the hell? Internet proofreading is kinda sketchy if not nonexistent nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 14:06:49 GMT -5
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Post by batman66 on Aug 21, 2023 14:24:54 GMT -5
1 ) is the no brainer of the year .........really Bob N you think the WSox will discuss all that after how smoothly this season is going for them in all aspects ? 2) So we should be seeing him sign a new deal soon if Nightengale says it won't happen. They aren't going to sign him to an extension this winter, he's now probably not opting out so he will be here anyway. Sorry man , I don't mean to be sarcastic, I love all updates and rumors , but this clown is very rarely ever right when it comes to Cubs stuff , he either posts the very obvious or just plain makes shit up totally based on his own opinion and no facts of any substance.
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Post by rvn11 on Aug 21, 2023 14:32:49 GMT -5
When I read the tweet you could tell it was total non-news. This is designed to make it sound like things have soured and he won't be back next season. When in reality the Cubs front office will say they have a contract with him for next year and it's his call where it goes. They won't negotiate against their own contract, but it's being spun in a different direction as if they're not interested at all.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 21, 2023 14:53:17 GMT -5
When I read the tweet you could tell it was total non-news. This is designed to make it sound like things have soured and he won't be back next season. When in reality the Cubs front office will say they have a contract with him for next year and it's his call where it goes. They won't negotiate against their own contract, but it's being spun in a different direction as if they're not interested at all. yep , click bait shit. There has been so much Stroman stuff floating around lately that it's giving me a headache and I won't even click on most of it. From people saying before we learned about the hip problem that he was tanking on purpsose to he doesn't get traded to him now supposedly being pissed he wasn't traded and the mystery rib injury. One thing though , it is odd about the injury and all the mystery around and about it , especially when Stro usually has no problem putting info about himself out on social media. Like I said and malaga knows since he directed the post to me , lol . I get excited when I see any Cubs news, but when I learn it comes from Nightengale it turns to frustration knowing there is probably nothing to it .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 15:16:15 GMT -5
1 ) is the no brainer of the year .........really Bob N you think the WSox will discuss all that after how smoothly this season is going for them in all aspects ? 2) So we should be seeing him sign a new deal soon if Nightengale says it won't happen. They aren't going to sign him to an extension this winter, he's now probably not opting out so he will be here anyway. Sorry man , I don't mean to be sarcastic, I love all updates and rumors , but this clown is very rarely ever right when it comes to Cubs stuff , he either posts the very obvious or just plain makes shit up totally based on his own opinion and no facts of any substance. That's exactly why I posted it knowing you would say just that, but on point 2 only. Of course he throws shit @ the wall.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 22, 2023 2:31:49 GMT -5
Lets say that stro opts in. We add hendricks back on a 1 year deal. And, yeah i know, but we add Ohtani.
Steele Ohtani Stroman Assad/wicks/killian Hendricks
With even more quality pitchers in way, this is a nice rotation with proper depth.
Now for offense - Nico Suzu Ohtani Mervis Happer Pca Swanson Morel Miggymaya
The lineup works. This is a well rounded offense. They got the power, they got the spee-eed. To be the best in the national lee-eauge.
Bullpen- We add a closer, or atleast a very good setup pitcher
Money added (aav) Gomesy ~7m Stro opt in 21m Ohtani ~36m+ Hendricks ~6.5m? Reliever - is hader too much to ask for? ~13m
Money added total: ~83.5m
By the way, our estimated total space left for next year (according to some site anyway).....about 83.5m or so! Whadda ya know!?
Ofcourse that only works with me perhaps stubbornly low estimate of shohei's deal, but atleast im not the only one holding the opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 6:43:48 GMT -5
Lets say that stro opts in. We add hendricks back on a 1 year deal. And, yeah i know, but we add Ohtani. Steele Ohtani Stroman Assad/wicks/killian Hendricks With even more quality pitchers in way, this is a nice rotation with proper depth. Now for offense - Nico Suzu Ohtani Mervis Happer Pca Swanson Morel Miggymaya The lineup works. This is a well rounded offense. They got the power, they got the spee-eed. To be the best in the national lee-eauge. Bullpen- We add a closer, or atleast a very good setup pitcher Money added (aav) Gomesy ~7m Stro opt in 21m Ohtani ~36m+ Hendricks ~6.5m? Reliever - is hader too much to ask for? ~13m Money added total: ~83.5m By the way, our estimated total space left for next year (according to some site anyway).....about 83.5m or so! Whadda ya know!? Ofcourse that only works with me perhaps stubbornly low estimate of shohei's deal, but atleast im not the only one holding the opinion. Shohei is gonna get at least 50M annually unless some team offers a serious deferral which he accepts. But that won't change the AAV IIRC.
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Post by fine09 on Aug 22, 2023 7:23:43 GMT -5
Lets say that stro opts in. We add hendricks back on a 1 year deal. And, yeah i know, but we add Ohtani. Steele Ohtani Stroman Assad/wicks/killian Hendricks With even more quality pitchers in way, this is a nice rotation with proper depth. Now for offense - Nico Suzu Ohtani Mervis Happer Pca Swanson Morel Miggymaya The lineup works. This is a well rounded offense. They got the power, they got the spee-eed. To be the best in the national lee-eauge. Bullpen- We add a closer, or atleast a very good setup pitcher Money added (aav) Gomesy ~7m Stro opt in 21m Ohtani ~36m+ Hendricks ~6.5m? Reliever - is hader too much to ask for? ~13m Money added total: ~83.5m By the way, our estimated total space left for next year (according to some site anyway).....about 83.5m or so! Whadda ya know!? Ofcourse that only works with me perhaps stubbornly low estimate of shohei's deal, but atleast im not the only one holding the opinion. Shohei is gonna get at least 50M annually unless some team offers a serious deferral which he accepts. But that won't change the AAV IIRC. That is correct and for it to be "just" 50 mil per year it will be 11 to 12 years minimum. I cannot see him being able to stay a 2-way player as a starting pitcher for the life of a 10 year +or- contract which is why I would front load the offer when he "likely should" be able to do so. I had never really considered until just now that he probably could roll over to the BP if starting gets too strenuous & I'd say he might be a pretty dominant closer or worst case high leverage set up guy & could still be a DH so maybe that would be a consideration for teams as well. Either way it will & very much should be the highest long term AAV deal ever signed & will easily beat them by 25%. Easily..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 8:36:40 GMT -5
Can’t forget about Taillon. The locks for the rotation next season are likely: Stroman (21m player option) Steele Taillon Hendricks (16m club option) Some have suggested Hendricks being restructured into a 2 year deal with a lower AAV, but whatever they do it’s hard to imagine not bringing him back at this point. Stroman’s second half issues really complicate the rotation for me. Y’all know I’m a big Ohtani guy, sign him for whatever it takes, but it’s very possible we have 37m rotation dollars tied up in huge question marks for next season: Stroman and Taillon. We have young arms in Assad, Wesneski, Brown, Wicks, etc. Who knows what the front office is planning for next year’s rotation right now. Free agency options are plentiful but we’ve got a good bit of glut right now, too. So idunno Another under the radar signing no one has talked about and is having another excellent season at a decent price? Why none other than Clayton Kershaw himself. He has made his money and might actually take a flyer somewhere else. I'd love to snag him on a bridge 1 year deal at maybe 18-20M but I think he will want 3 years minimum. He could be an attractive option and we could have 2 Aces with Steele, but I doubt it happens.
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