Marcus Stroman extension thread

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Not sure on this, we have 2 prospects knocking on the door & may go after Ohtani or Urias in the off season. Stro while stable/popular is not an investment I'd want on the books for another 3-4 years. Already have to deal w/ Taillon for another 3.

[bryzzobrist]

Well Stro is getting it done for us atleast
Im not sure how i feel about it, but i know we could do a lot worse than marcus

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Adding a poll in case anyone is interested. 😉😉

[kfidd]

Stroman is a tricky one for me. My guess is he will be opting out and seek what could be his last longish term contract. I think he is a great presence on the team, both ability and character. If we look at the guys we can safely assume are penciled into the rotation for next year, I think we really only have two at the moment, Steele and Taillon. I think Wesneski is in there but wouldn’t bet the house on it, and it’s very possible one or both of Brown and Wicks could be in play.

It’s a weird mix of not enough but still kinda sorta congested. I think where I might have to pass on Stroman is that I still believe what the Cubs will lack is a proven ace at the top. Yes Steele has been great, but I still someday expect the inevitable that comes with being a two pitch pitcher. He might always be a very good starting pitcher but it’s hard to envision me having the confidence in ever penciling him in as our number one guy. And if we are looking for an ace, all of Ohtani, Nola, and Urias will be available. While they’d all likely command much bigger commitments than Stroman I believe they’d all be better fits for the construction of our rotation going forward.

In my perfect world we could pretend Taillon never signed here and Stroman would definitely have a place, but yeah. And I’m not even a Taillon hater. And of course there’s always the adage that you can never have too much pitching and maybe I’m putting the cart way ahead of the horse but it sure does seem like we have plenty of live arms on the way and if we are going to invest in a starting pitcher I’d rather it be a guy like Ohtani or Urias.

[southpaw773]

Maybe not so soon lolololol

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I voted no but next year is a player option, not mutual. Well that sux & hopefully he doesn't pick it up.

[irishcubfan]

Voted no as well. Should extend prior to the deadline if they do.

Should be traded at the deadline if not extended.

Slim chance he picks up the player option unless he has a terrible year and/or injured.

[batman66]

May 13, 2023 16:47:50 GMT -5 @malagacubs said:

Not sure on this, we have 2 prospects knocking on the door & may go after Ohtani or Urias in the off season. Stro while stable/popular is not an investment I'd want on the books for another 3-4 years. Already have to deal w/ Taillon for another 3.

Ohtani is a dream , it's not happening. They may go after him but there is no way they are outbidding teams like the Dodgers , Mets, Padres etc , same with Urias.

I'm all for signing Stroman to an extension , I'd prefer they go no more than 3 year though.

They have an ace in the making in Steele and possible mid to top third of the rotation guys in Brown , Wicks, Horton, Birdsell etc plus others like Kilian , Herz, Palencia, McCullough etc etc etc but with the way young pitchers get hurt these days you can hardly bank on any of them so having a veteran you can put up with a chance to out pitch any teams ace like Stroman is important to have.

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TBH BM, Steele needs to develop that 3rd out pitch to grow into an Ace. I'd say he's had some luck on his side and he could sokidify (this year) into a solid #2 long term.
Regarding Stro, he will want more than the 21M he is making next year IMO. If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me.

[bryzzobrist]

If he'd sign for 2 Years and 20m per for an extension, ill take that all day. But i doubt he would. He wants a 4 year deal imo.

[Mike]

Ben Brown.... solid in 2 starts at AAA promotion (1ER over 10.2 IP), (1ER over 20IP in 4 starts for AA), He's on the 40-man, so we could see him this year (depending) Wow.
Jordan Wicks (L)... solid in 7 starts at AA, 9 ER over 30.1IP, I assume he takes over Smyly's spot in 2025, but we do have a 10M club option on Smyly that year.

[lajoiesghost]

May 15, 2023 3:41:54 GMT -5 Mike said:

Ben Brown.... solid in 2 starts at AAA promotion (1ER over 10.2 IP), (1ER over 20IP in 4 starts for AA), He's on the 40-man, so we could see him this year (depending) Wow.
Jordan Wicks (L)... solid in 7 starts at AA, 9 ER over 30.1IP, I assume he takes over Smyly's spot in 2025, but we do have a 10M club option on Smyly that year.

Smyly is never going to be an ace or even a #2 but other than possibly asking for more innings I don't see how anyone can complain about his time in Chicago. Even if he drops back to his career average, the club option to me is a no brainer. 15 solid starts a year is worth that.

[batman66]

May 14, 2023 21:19:22 GMT -5 @malagacubs said:

TBH BM, Steele needs to develop that 3rd out pitch to grow into an Ace. I'd say he's had some luck on his side and he could sokidify (this year) into a solid #2 long term.
Regarding Stro, he will want more than the 21M he is making next year IMO. If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me.

Not many aces have just  two pitches, that's true.
But I don't think it's luck , it's approaching a full season now if you count the second half of last season, the guy has an ERA well under 2 since the end of last June and just had his 14 consecutive game stretch end where he allowed 2 runs or less , hell a lot of aces don't even have 5 game stretches like that.
If it's luck then the guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

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May 15, 2023 9:23:42 GMT -5 batman66 said:

May 14, 2023 21:19:22 GMT -5 @malagacubs said:

TBH BM, Steele needs to develop that 3rd out pitch to grow into an Ace. I'd say he's had some luck on his side and he could sokidify (this year) into a solid #2 long term.
Regarding Stro, he will want more than the 21M he is making next year IMO. If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me.

Not many aces have just  two pitches, that's true.
But I don't think it's luck , it's approaching a full season now if you count the second half of last season, the guy has an ERA well under 2 since the end of last June and just had his 14 consecutive game stretch end where he allowed 2 runs or less , hell a lot of aces don't even have 5 game stretches like that.
If it's luck then the guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

I can agree on that although a 3rd out pitch would be a great weapon for his arsenal. Regarding Stro, what's the máx you'd go on AAV for 3 years? I'd still pass but that's just me.

[batman66]

May 15, 2023 9:33:28 GMT -5 @malagacubs said:

May 15, 2023 9:23:42 GMT -5 batman66 said:

Not many aces have just  two pitches, that's true.
But I don't think it's luck , it's approaching a full season now if you count the second half of last season, the guy has an ERA well under 2 since the end of last June and just had his 14 consecutive game stretch end where he allowed 2 runs or less , hell a lot of aces don't even have 5 game stretches like that.
If it's luck then the guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

I can agree on that although a 3rd out pitch would be a great weapon for his arsenal. Regarding Stro, what's the máx you'd go on AAV for 3 years? I'd still pass but that's just me.

No doubt, a 3rd pitch would eventually help but he used to throw others and started to have the success when he stopped. 

I love Stroman, always hoped he'd be a Cub  love his competetiveness and now the fact he loves being a Cub and wants to stay around .

I hate going more than 3 years on any pitcher but you have to do what it takes to get them signed so I'd be happy with any deal they sign him to regardless of length and or money.

My personal opinion for what it's worth because it's not my money is I'd go something like 3 /75 .


I know they will hopefully have a lot of in house options that are much cheaper , but if you want to win in the playoffs you need atleast 2-3 guys you can depend on to outpitch any others teams guy and if they let Stroman go you are down to one guy Steele and hope on of the others will step up.

Taillon hasn't shown me anything saying he can get to that next level like the Cubs thought they could take him , small samole size but he's looking more like a 4th-5th starter than a two like they had hoped. 

Keeping Sto around stablizes the rotation and they should have no problem between Wesemski, Brown, Wicks, Kilian, Horton, Birdsell etc filling out the rotation. 

[kfidd]

I’m going to remain laser focused on a deal with the Mets until the deadline comes and goes as we are left Baty-less. But the Cubs are not fun to watch right now so I need the distraction. How do we get Baty on the Cubs? Let’s discuss.

Cohen is on record with saying two things that stand out to me.

1) In 2020 he said something to the tune of “if we don’t win a World Series within 5 years that would be highly disappointing.” The guy isn’t throwing all his record breaking money at the big league level just to be empty threats, and while it’s only mid-May his Mets are severely disappointing right now. The rotation has been very injured (in classic Mets fashion) and the offense has been shut out 7 times out of their first 45 games. They currently stand 20-22 on the season, 4th place in their division and 6.5 back of a very talented and accomplished Braves team.

2) He wants to rebuild the farm while remaining highly competitive. In the preseason they were ranked 11/30 clubs, which was very heavily weighted by Alvarez and Baty at the top. They are big leaguers now and likely to stay there. They are especially weak in impact starting pitching talent, which should spell big trouble when your top 2 starting pitchers are combined 80 years old. They are lacking the reinforcements and depth they need, specifically on the pitching side.

How can we grease the wheels enough to get them to offload their prized lefty slugger who sports both 60 hit and power tools? It won’t come cheap, especially with their front office apparently being so butthurt over the PCA swipe. And Baty is the kind of young bat they absolutely want to keep around. What parts can we tempt them with?

Marcus Stroman

- A great #3 to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, and more than capable of stepping up a spot or two for short stints if needed due to injuries. Always a classic *IF*, but if their rotation is healthy heading into the postseason Verlander > Scherzer > Stroman is very lethal.

Cody Bellinger

- The Mets outfield is currently comprised of the following performers:

Brandon Nimmo - 176 PA, .849 OPS
Tommy Pham - 79 PA, .641 OPS
Mark Canha - 139 PA, .692 OPS
Starling Marte - 146 PA, .598 OPS

This is the outfield of a wannabe World Series contender. As long as Bellinger can maintain an .850+ OPS bat (he has been struggling for a couple weeks now so he’ll need to get hot again at some point), that coupled with his absurd defense should make him highly sought after, even as a rental.

Patrick Wisdom

They have Mark Vientos who is tearing the ball up at AAA but he’s also a prime DH and/or OF candidate so they could still look for a quality Baty replacement. Baty is currently splitting time with Escobar who through 74 PA is sporting a .628 OPS. Wisdom and his solid glove and big time power (the Mets are currently 22nd in the league in home runs) could be a solid option.

Yan Gomes

Alvarez is their future, everyone knows it. Parada is highly talented but at least a couple years away. I would imagine Gomes has really built quite a reputation around the league for his staff management abilities and the offense he’s shown thus far is a pure bonus (though highly valuable to a team like the Mets with big aspirations yet a really struggling offense).

Brennen Davis

An expendable guy for us that might be viewed as nothing more than a throw in, but a still youngish once promising outfield bat that’s coming off injuries could have some value to a Mets outfield that is stinking up the joint at the big league level and thin in minor league depth outside of Alex Ramirez.

Brown / Wicks / etc etc

We’ve built up quite the crop of talented young arms in the minors. Their pitching depth is very weak and snagging a quality arm with middle+ rotation potential could go a long way for them.

Etc etc etc etc

I’m not saying all of these guys, but I think there is more than enough Cubs expendable capital that we could find a deal as long as the Mets were willing to budge. Baty on the Cubs solidifies a weak position as a strength in our organization for years to come. And while I’d be prepared to overpay for him, openings created by some departures give new opportunities for our young guys to step up and audition in the second half. So how much would you be willing to overpay, if at all?

Would Bellinger, one of Brown/Wicks, and Wisdom get their attention?

[batman66]

May 16, 2023 12:57:16 GMT -5 kfidd said:

I’m going to remain laser focused on a deal with the Mets until the deadline comes and goes as we are left Baty-less. But the Cubs are not fun to watch right now so I need the distraction. How do we get Baty on the Cubs? Let’s discuss.

Cohen is on record with saying two things that stand out to me.

1) In 2020 he said something to the tune of “if we don’t win a World Series within 5 years that would be highly disappointing.” The guy isn’t throwing all his record breaking money at the big league level just to be empty threats, and while it’s only mid-May his Mets are severely disappointing right now. The rotation has been very injured (in classic Mets fashion) and the offense has been shut out 7 times out of their first 45 games. They currently stand 20-22 on the season, 4th place in their division and 6.5 back of a very talented and accomplished Braves team.

2) He wants to rebuild the farm while remaining highly competitive. In the preseason they were ranked 11/30 clubs, which was very heavily weighted by Alvarez and Baty at the top. They are big leaguers now and likely to stay there. They are especially weak in impact starting pitching talent, which should spell big trouble when your top 2 starting pitchers are combined 80 years old. They are lacking the reinforcements and depth they need, specifically on the pitching side.

How can we grease the wheels enough to get them to offload their prized lefty slugger who sports both 60 hit and power tools? It won’t come cheap, especially with their front office apparently being so butthurt over the PCA swipe. And Baty is the kind of young bat they absolutely want to keep around. What parts can we tempt them with?

Marcus Stroman

- A great #3 to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, and more than capable of stepping up a spot or two for short stints if needed due to injuries. Always a classic *IF*, but if their rotation is healthy heading into the postseason Verlander > Scherzer > Stroman is very lethal.

Cody Bellinger

- The Mets outfield is currently comprised of the following performers:

Brandon Nimmo - 176 PA, .849 OPS
Tommy Pham - 79 PA, .641 OPS
Mark Canha - 139 PA, .692 OPS
Starling Marte - 146 PA, .598 OPS

This is the outfield of a wannabe World Series contender. As long as Bellinger can maintain an .850+ OPS bat (he has been struggling for a couple weeks now so he’ll need to get hot again at some point), that coupled with his absurd defense should make him highly sought after, even as a rental.

Patrick Wisdom

They have Mark Vientos who is tearing the ball up at AAA but he’s also a prime DH and/or OF candidate so they could still look for a quality Baty replacement. Baty is currently splitting time with Escobar who through 74 PA is sporting a .628 OPS. Wisdom and his solid glove and big time power (the Mets are currently 22nd in the league in home runs) could be a solid option.

Yan Gomes

Alvarez is their future, everyone knows it. Parada is highly talented but at least a couple years away. I would imagine Gomes has really built quite a reputation around the league for his staff management abilities and the offense he’s shown thus far is a pure bonus (though highly valuable to a team like the Mets with big aspirations yet a really struggling offense).

Brennen Davis

An expendable guy for us that might be viewed as nothing more than a throw in, but a still youngish once promising outfield bat that’s coming off injuries could have some value to a Mets outfield that is stinking up the joint at the big league level and thin in minor league depth outside of Alex Ramirez.

Brown / Wicks / etc etc

We’ve built up quite the crop of talented young arms in the minors. Their pitching depth is very weak and snagging a quality arm with middle+ rotation potential could go a long way for them.

Etc etc etc etc

I’m not saying all of these guys, but I think there is more than enough Cubs expendable capital that we could find a deal as long as the Mets were willing to budge. Baty on the Cubs solidifies a weak position as a strength in our organization for years to come. And while I’d be prepared to overpay for him, openings created by some departures give new opportunities for our young guys to step up and audition in the second half. So how much would you be willing to overpay, if at all?

Would Bellinger, one of Brown/Wicks, and Wisdom get their attention?

I highly doubt they trade Baty , the Cubs have been after him ever since he was drafted and is who they asked for in the deal that was supposed to send both Baez and Bryant to the Mets and the Mets would not budge on Baty , but did on PCA which has made them even more gun shy to make deadline deals .
So although I'd love the Cubs to get him ,
I've given up spending time on even thinking about it.

Plus the way things are going ( just saying ) I'm sure it will change , they have too much talent for it not to , they are 1 win better than the Cubs right now so who knows if they'll be buying.


Great well thought out post though , one of the better posts I've seen on here.

[fine09]

May 16, 2023 12:57:16 GMT -5 kfidd said:

I’m going to remain laser focused on a deal with the Mets until the deadline comes and goes as we are left Baty-less. But the Cubs are not fun to watch right now so I need the distraction. How do we get Baty on the Cubs? Let’s discuss.

Cohen is on record with saying two things that stand out to me.

1) In 2020 he said something to the tune of “if we don’t win a World Series within 5 years that would be highly disappointing.” The guy isn’t throwing all his record breaking money at the big league level just to be empty threats, and while it’s only mid-May his Mets are severely disappointing right now. The rotation has been very injured (in classic Mets fashion) and the offense has been shut out 7 times out of their first 45 games. They currently stand 20-22 on the season, 4th place in their division and 6.5 back of a very talented and accomplished Braves team.

2) He wants to rebuild the farm while remaining highly competitive. In the preseason they were ranked 11/30 clubs, which was very heavily weighted by Alvarez and Baty at the top. They are big leaguers now and likely to stay there. They are especially weak in impact starting pitching talent, which should spell big trouble when your top 2 starting pitchers are combined 80 years old. They are lacking the reinforcements and depth they need, specifically on the pitching side.

How can we grease the wheels enough to get them to offload their prized lefty slugger who sports both 60 hit and power tools? It won’t come cheap, especially with their front office apparently being so butthurt over the PCA swipe. And Baty is the kind of young bat they absolutely want to keep around. What parts can we tempt them with?

Marcus Stroman

- A great #3 to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, and more than capable of stepping up a spot or two for short stints if needed due to injuries. Always a classic *IF*, but if their rotation is healthy heading into the postseason Verlander > Scherzer > Stroman is very lethal.

Cody Bellinger

- The Mets outfield is currently comprised of the following performers:

Brandon Nimmo - 176 PA, .849 OPS
Tommy Pham - 79 PA, .641 OPS
Mark Canha - 139 PA, .692 OPS
Starling Marte - 146 PA, .598 OPS

This is the outfield of a wannabe World Series contender. As long as Bellinger can maintain an .850+ OPS bat (he has been struggling for a couple weeks now so he’ll need to get hot again at some point), that coupled with his absurd defense should make him highly sought after, even as a rental.

Patrick Wisdom

They have Mark Vientos who is tearing the ball up at AAA but he’s also a prime DH and/or OF candidate so they could still look for a quality Baty replacement. Baty is currently splitting time with Escobar who through 74 PA is sporting a .628 OPS. Wisdom and his solid glove and big time power (the Mets are currently 22nd in the league in home runs) could be a solid option.

Yan Gomes

Alvarez is their future, everyone knows it. Parada is highly talented but at least a couple years away. I would imagine Gomes has really built quite a reputation around the league for his staff management abilities and the offense he’s shown thus far is a pure bonus (though highly valuable to a team like the Mets with big aspirations yet a really struggling offense).

Brennen Davis

An expendable guy for us that might be viewed as nothing more than a throw in, but a still youngish once promising outfield bat that’s coming off injuries could have some value to a Mets outfield that is stinking up the joint at the big league level and thin in minor league depth outside of Alex Ramirez.

Brown / Wicks / etc etc

We’ve built up quite the crop of talented young arms in the minors. Their pitching depth is very weak and snagging a quality arm with middle+ rotation potential could go a long way for them.

Etc etc etc etc

I’m not saying all of these guys, but I think there is more than enough Cubs expendable capital that we could find a deal as long as the Mets were willing to budge. Baty on the Cubs solidifies a weak position as a strength in our organization for years to come. And while I’d be prepared to overpay for him, openings created by some departures give new opportunities for our young guys to step up and audition in the second half. So how much would you be willing to overpay, if at all?

Would Bellinger, one of Brown/Wicks, and Wisdom get their attention?

For what it would take to pry Baty away from the Mets (which would require a horrific overpay) I would much rather just pony up $125 million for 6 years of Matt Chapman who is a free agent this winter.  He's a 3 time GG winner & is currently sitting at a 160 OPS+ and has averaged 121 OPS+ for his 7 year career.  To me Chapman is what one would hope Baty turns into best case scenario..

[batman66]

May 16, 2023 14:27:20 GMT -5 fine09 said:

May 16, 2023 12:57:16 GMT -5 kfidd said:

I’m going to remain laser focused on a deal with the Mets until the deadline comes and goes as we are left Baty-less. But the Cubs are not fun to watch right now so I need the distraction. How do we get Baty on the Cubs? Let’s discuss.

Cohen is on record with saying two things that stand out to me.

1) In 2020 he said something to the tune of “if we don’t win a World Series within 5 years that would be highly disappointing.” The guy isn’t throwing all his record breaking money at the big league level just to be empty threats, and while it’s only mid-May his Mets are severely disappointing right now. The rotation has been very injured (in classic Mets fashion) and the offense has been shut out 7 times out of their first 45 games. They currently stand 20-22 on the season, 4th place in their division and 6.5 back of a very talented and accomplished Braves team.

2) He wants to rebuild the farm while remaining highly competitive. In the preseason they were ranked 11/30 clubs, which was very heavily weighted by Alvarez and Baty at the top. They are big leaguers now and likely to stay there. They are especially weak in impact starting pitching talent, which should spell big trouble when your top 2 starting pitchers are combined 80 years old. They are lacking the reinforcements and depth they need, specifically on the pitching side.

How can we grease the wheels enough to get them to offload their prized lefty slugger who sports both 60 hit and power tools? It won’t come cheap, especially with their front office apparently being so butthurt over the PCA swipe. And Baty is the kind of young bat they absolutely want to keep around. What parts can we tempt them with?

Marcus Stroman

- A great #3 to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, and more than capable of stepping up a spot or two for short stints if needed due to injuries. Always a classic *IF*, but if their rotation is healthy heading into the postseason Verlander > Scherzer > Stroman is very lethal.

Cody Bellinger

- The Mets outfield is currently comprised of the following performers:

Brandon Nimmo - 176 PA, .849 OPS
Tommy Pham - 79 PA, .641 OPS
Mark Canha - 139 PA, .692 OPS
Starling Marte - 146 PA, .598 OPS

This is the outfield of a wannabe World Series contender. As long as Bellinger can maintain an .850+ OPS bat (he has been struggling for a couple weeks now so he’ll need to get hot again at some point), that coupled with his absurd defense should make him highly sought after, even as a rental.

Patrick Wisdom

They have Mark Vientos who is tearing the ball up at AAA but he’s also a prime DH and/or OF candidate so they could still look for a quality Baty replacement. Baty is currently splitting time with Escobar who through 74 PA is sporting a .628 OPS. Wisdom and his solid glove and big time power (the Mets are currently 22nd in the league in home runs) could be a solid option.

Yan Gomes

Alvarez is their future, everyone knows it. Parada is highly talented but at least a couple years away. I would imagine Gomes has really built quite a reputation around the league for his staff management abilities and the offense he’s shown thus far is a pure bonus (though highly valuable to a team like the Mets with big aspirations yet a really struggling offense).

Brennen Davis

An expendable guy for us that might be viewed as nothing more than a throw in, but a still youngish once promising outfield bat that’s coming off injuries could have some value to a Mets outfield that is stinking up the joint at the big league level and thin in minor league depth outside of Alex Ramirez.

Brown / Wicks / etc etc

We’ve built up quite the crop of talented young arms in the minors. Their pitching depth is very weak and snagging a quality arm with middle+ rotation potential could go a long way for them.

Etc etc etc etc

I’m not saying all of these guys, but I think there is more than enough Cubs expendable capital that we could find a deal as long as the Mets were willing to budge. Baty on the Cubs solidifies a weak position as a strength in our organization for years to come. And while I’d be prepared to overpay for him, openings created by some departures give new opportunities for our young guys to step up and audition in the second half. So how much would you be willing to overpay, if at all?

Would Bellinger, one of Brown/Wicks, and Wisdom get their attention?

For what it would take to pry Baty away from the Mets (which would require a horrific overpay) I would much rather just pony up $125 million for 6 years of Matt Chapman who is a free agent this winter.  He's a 3 time GG winner & is currently sitting at a 160 OPS+ and has averaged 121 OPS+ for his 7 year career.  To me Chapman is what one would hope Baty turns into best case scenario..

That's a tough one because it's a question as to which Matt Chapman you are signing, if he continues to have an outstanding season he looks like he could be  back to the 2019 version , but 2020-2022 he was a better gloved mirror image left handed Patrick Wisdom . 

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Back the the topic, anyone think Stro will take a discount & do 3/60 or 3/63M?