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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 14:05:21 GMT -5
Puig is instantly going to be suspended to violating whatever rules MLB adds to keep players safe. Can he go even a half season not licking bats, hugging coaches and fighting players? I highly doubt it. lol Anyhow, I see Willy/Schwarber getting the big bulk of the DH duties which will allow Caratini/Souza to get more AB's. Castellanos would look really good right about now, because the I believe the DH is here to stay for good. 100% agreed DH likely here to stay. David Kaplan made a good point today.... Did COVID-19 basically extend Theo Epstein with the Cubs? Kap suggested that the COVID-19 pandemic created a new challenge for Theo in wanting to build the Cubs post-COVID-19? Thoughts? Also, since it looks like 50% of payrolls will likely be PAID.... does that mean every single team will be under the tax threshold in 2020? I think he is here to stay as long the Rickets wants him back and I still believe in Theo even though the past couple of years have not have his finest work, but he also takes accountability for that and knows how to adjust and adapt to the game and will turn the ship around. This is a good challenge for him and I think he comes back and put the team in the right direction. 2nd part is good question, you know the Rickets and Steinbrenners will be pushing this subject, there does need to be a solution to this, maybe since the season is cut in half, they will cut the penalties in half as well? good question.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 14:05:43 GMT -5
Puig is instantly going to be suspended to violating whatever rules MLB adds to keep players safe. Can he go even a half season not licking bats, hugging coaches and fighting players? I highly doubt it. lol Anyhow, I see Willy/Schwarber getting the big bulk of the DH duties which will allow Caratini/Souza to get more AB's. Castellanos would look really good right about now, because the I believe the DH is here to stay for good. Also, since it looks like 50% of payrolls will likely be PAID.... does that mean every single team will be under the tax threshold in 2020? I wish. I believe the same prorated deal signed previously that the owners are trying to back out of says luxury tax would be assessed based on what the full payrolls would have been. For the Cubs sake I'm hoping something changes, as the current situation leaves them completely screwed and as said yesterday selling assets at pennies on the dollar to try to avoid said tax. With teams being short on revenue nobody's going to take on take on big salaries without heavy compensation in return.
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 14:13:11 GMT -5
Also, since it looks like 50% of payrolls will likely be PAID.... does that mean every single team will be under the tax threshold in 2020? I wish. I believe the same prorated deal signed previously that the owners are trying to back out of says luxury tax would be assessed based on what the full payrolls would have been. For the Cubs sake I'm hoping something changes, as the current situation leaves them completely screwed and as said yesterday selling assets at pennies on the dollar to try to avoid said tax. With teams being short on revenue nobody's going to take on take on big salaries without heavy compensation in return.
I think they will likely just suspend the luxury tax for this year and if you are over there is no penalty BUT does not mean it will reset either, it just starts back up where the left off in 2019 in 2021. Rosters are likely going to have to be expanded which adds more to the Tax which puts the Cubs in a major disadvantage, even the Yankees too.
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Post by skokiejoe on May 13, 2020 14:25:16 GMT -5
I wish. I believe the same prorated deal signed previously that the owners are trying to back out of says luxury tax would be assessed based on what the full payrolls would have been. For the Cubs sake I'm hoping something changes, as the current situation leaves them completely screwed and as said yesterday selling assets at pennies on the dollar to try to avoid said tax. With teams being short on revenue nobody's going to take on take on big salaries without heavy compensation in return.
I think they will likely just suspend the luxury tax for this year and if you are over there is no penalty BUT does not mean it will reset either, it just starts back up where the left off in 2019 in 2021. Rosters are likely going to have to be expanded which adds more to the Tax which puts the Cubs in a major disadvantage, even the Yankees too. But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax.
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Post by patriot544 on May 13, 2020 14:30:16 GMT -5
Does anyone now why we are having a DH? Is this because of health and worried pitchers would get hurt? Personally I think it’s great for the cubs but just curious.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 14:37:50 GMT -5
Does anyone now why we are having a DH? Is this because of health and worried pitchers would get hurt? Personally I think it’s great for the cubs but just curious. Because they'll be changing up the divisions from 6 to 3, geographically based to reduce travel. So AL and NL teams will now be in the same division and you need an even playing field.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 14:38:59 GMT -5
I think they will likely just suspend the luxury tax for this year and if you are over there is no penalty BUT does not mean it will reset either, it just starts back up where the left off in 2019 in 2021. Rosters are likely going to have to be expanded which adds more to the Tax which puts the Cubs in a major disadvantage, even the Yankees too. But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax. Per the link I posted: "The ESPN duo also notes that 2020 luxury tax payrolls will be assessed “base[d] it on what full-season salaries were supposed to be, not prorated salary payment.” This is notable in that a team like the Yankees, who are way above the luxury tax threshold, will still be taxed even though they will actually pay out much less than $208MM in salaries. The actual tax paid will be prorated, according to Passan and McDaniel.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 13, 2020 14:39:43 GMT -5
Also, since it looks like 50% of payrolls will likely be PAID.... does that mean every single team will be under the tax threshold in 2020? I wish. I believe the same prorated deal signed previously that the owners are trying to back out of says luxury tax would be assessed based on what the full payrolls would have been. For the Cubs sake I'm hoping something changes, as the current situation leaves them completely screwed and as said yesterday selling assets at pennies on the dollar to try to avoid said tax. With teams being short on revenue nobody's going to take on take on big salaries without heavy compensation in return.
I would think MLB would push back the trade deadline. I think the end of August would make the most sense. To be honest, it could make it very exciting around the trade deadline. Pending free agents would only be owed a 1/4th of there salary which makes them affordable to a lot more teams. And with the shorter season, more teams should be in contention.
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 14:39:54 GMT -5
I think they will likely just suspend the luxury tax for this year and if you are over there is no penalty BUT does not mean it will reset either, it just starts back up where the left off in 2019 in 2021. Rosters are likely going to have to be expanded which adds more to the Tax which puts the Cubs in a major disadvantage, even the Yankees too. But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax. Per current agreement from back from March, luxury tax will be assessed what a full season would look like still even if the salaries are prorated. But at the time, fans were assumed would be back at some point but now not at all, so that could change, if not the Cubs are really screwed and will have to trade players on the pennies on the dollar to just get it down which is completlyy unfair. Just suspend the penalty this year but NOT reset it and start off 2021 from where they were in 2019. If that does not change, forget the Cubs competing in 2020 at all as they will be in aggressive sale mode.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 13, 2020 14:46:37 GMT -5
But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax. Per current agreement from back from March, luxury tax will be assessed what a full season would look like still even if the salaries are prorated. But at the time, fans were assumed would be back at some point but now not at all, so that could change, if not the Cubs are really screwed and will have to trade players on the pennies on the dollar to just get it down which is completlyy unfair. Just suspend the penalty this year but NOT reset it and start off 2021 from where they were in 2019. Yeah, it would have to be redone because teams who go over the tax pay that penalty with revenues they likely won't see without fans in 2020. A suspension of the tax sounds about right, unless they get creative and think of something else.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 14:48:28 GMT -5
I wish. I believe the same prorated deal signed previously that the owners are trying to back out of says luxury tax would be assessed based on what the full payrolls would have been. For the Cubs sake I'm hoping something changes, as the current situation leaves them completely screwed and as said yesterday selling assets at pennies on the dollar to try to avoid said tax. With teams being short on revenue nobody's going to take on take on big salaries without heavy compensation in return.
I would think MLB would push back the trade deadline. I think the end of August would make the most sense. To be honest, it could make it very exciting around the trade deadline. Pending free agents would only be owed a 1/4th of there salary which makes them affordable to a lot more teams. And with the shorter season, more teams should be in contention. Sure, but if only 1/4 of the salary is owed by the new team that means the owning team has already paid 3/4 of it, which to my understanding applies to their luxury tax number. For teams like the Cubs that theoretically have to move a couple of guys that becomes even more difficult.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 14:51:18 GMT -5
But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax. Per current agreement from back from March, luxury tax will be assessed what a full season would look like still even if the salaries are prorated. But at the time, fans were assumed would be back at some point but now not at all, so that could change, if not the Cubs are really screwed and will have to trade players on the pennies on the dollar to just get it down which is completlyy unfair. Just suspend the penalty this year but NOT reset it and start off 2021 from where they were in 2019. If that does not change, forget the Cubs competing in 2020 at all as they will be in aggressive sale mode. I'd love to see something done to fix this, but that's only as a Cubs fan. I have to think if I were a fan of another team in a more financially sound position I'd be pissed if bigger teams like the Cubs and Yankees got "bailed out" by such a change.
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 15:00:09 GMT -5
I would think MLB would push back the trade deadline. I think the end of August would make the most sense. To be honest, it could make it very exciting around the trade deadline. Pending free agents would only be owed a 1/4th of there salary which makes them affordable to a lot more teams. And with the shorter season, more teams should be in contention. Sure, but if only 1/4 of the salary is owed by the new team that means the owning team has already paid 3/4 of it, which to my understanding applies to their luxury tax number. For teams like the Cubs that theoretically have to move a couple of guys that becomes even more difficult. Yep, so it is likely the Cubs will trade players on the pennies on the dollar and also attach prospects to make it happen too if nothing changes. It will set the Cubs back big time for something that was out of their control.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 13, 2020 15:09:04 GMT -5
I would think MLB would push back the trade deadline. I think the end of August would make the most sense. To be honest, it could make it very exciting around the trade deadline. Pending free agents would only be owed a 1/4th of there salary which makes them affordable to a lot more teams. And with the shorter season, more teams should be in contention. Sure, but if only 1/4 of the salary is owed by the new team that means the owning team has already paid 3/4 of it, which to my understanding applies to their luxury tax number. For teams like the Cubs that theoretically have to move a couple of guys that becomes even more difficult. Quintana would be a $10.5 million cap hit to a teams payroll but they would be only paying his remaining salary which would be around $2.6 million. To many teams he's now affordable.
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 15:15:04 GMT -5
Sure, but if only 1/4 of the salary is owed by the new team that means the owning team has already paid 3/4 of it, which to my understanding applies to their luxury tax number. For teams like the Cubs that theoretically have to move a couple of guys that becomes even more difficult. Quintana would be a $10.5 million cap hit to a teams payroll but they would be only paying his remaining salary which would be around $2.6 million. To many teams he's now affordable. All teams are likely losing money this year so teams are going to need a major incentive to add on payroll while already losing money, so it is likely the Cubs will have to pretty much give Quintana away for almost nothing and add a prospect to make it worth their wild for the other team to take a bigger loss financally this year. Cubs will have ZERO leverage in any trade talks and teams will take advantage of their desperation to get on the tax which is not right. Also even if the Cubs are in first place at the deadline, they will still have to be sellers to get under the tax, there is no way in hell the Rickets are going to accept paying the luxury tax penalty this year at any cost.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 13, 2020 15:17:21 GMT -5
The owners are proposing a 30 man active roster for the remainder of the season, up from 26. Will MLB adjust the cap to compensate for the additional players?
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 13, 2020 15:35:19 GMT -5
Quintana would be a $10.5 million cap hit to a teams payroll but they would be only paying his remaining salary which would be around $2.6 million. To many teams he's now affordable. All teams are likely losing money this year so teams are going to need a major incentive to add on payroll while already losing money, so it is likely the Cubs will have to pretty much give Quintana away for almost nothing and add a prospect to make it worth their wild to take a bigger loss financally this year. Cubs will have ZERO leverage in any trade talks and teams will take advantage of their desperation to get on the tax. The Cubs didn't have much leverage to begin with when it comes to Quintana. A team, in playoff contention, would be adding around $2.6 million in payroll. That's not a lot of money when you look at today's revenue. If the Cubs get nothing for Quintana, who cares? The goal is to reset the tax so they can re-sign key players who are the future of the team.
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Post by rvn11 on May 13, 2020 15:39:56 GMT -5
Sure, but if only 1/4 of the salary is owed by the new team that means the owning team has already paid 3/4 of it, which to my understanding applies to their luxury tax number. For teams like the Cubs that theoretically have to move a couple of guys that becomes even more difficult. Quintana would be a $10.5 million cap hit to a teams payroll but they would be only paying his remaining salary which would be around $2.6 million. To many teams he's now affordable. Sure he'd then be affordable to another team, but other teams theoretically are going to be cash strapped, and even then it's not enough as the Cubs would still be on the hook for a 7-8M which would then apply to their luxury tax number for the year. By most accounts the Cubs are currently set at just under $220 million for this season, not counting any trades or other acquisitions and they need to get under $208, shedding 2.6m edit $5+m is a start but isn't going to cure anything. Moving Q and/or Chatwood prior to the season might be the answer, but convincing cash strapped teams to take on their entire contract, without taking back a heavy incentive of good prospects in return, could prove difficult.
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Post by GoCubsGo4ever on May 13, 2020 15:55:30 GMT -5
With the DH approved universally and roster likely expanded, do you think the Cubs make a roster move on a free agent? Liiiiiiiiikeeeeeeee...... saaaaaaaaaayyyyyy..... Puig on the cheap? LOL Puig's dictionary does not have "social distancing" and "good hygiene".
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 16:11:04 GMT -5
All teams are likely losing money this year so teams are going to need a major incentive to add on payroll while already losing money, so it is likely the Cubs will have to pretty much give Quintana away for almost nothing and add a prospect to make it worth their wild to take a bigger loss financally this year. Cubs will have ZERO leverage in any trade talks and teams will take advantage of their desperation to get on the tax. The Cubs didn't have much leverage to begin with when it comes to Quintana. A team, in playoff contention, would be adding around $2.6 million in payroll. That's not a lot of money when you look at today's revenue. If the Cubs get nothing for Quintana, who cares? The goal is to reset the tax so they can re-sign key players who are the future of the team. Teams are going to be losing money this year, so adding $2.6 million to payroll is going to be a big deal, and even if it is not then they will play that card to get more leverage to get Theo to add a prospect to the deal which he will likely have to do. So not only if you have to punt the 2020 season before it even starts, but will have to sale players on pennies on the dollar and add prospect to make it happen.
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