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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:19:31 GMT -5
I kind of doubt this happens but if (big if) there is no BB this year meaning it is cancelled, what happens to service time and free agents? Thoughts?
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Post by TheChico on May 13, 2020 16:21:34 GMT -5
I kind of doubt this happens but if (big if) there is no BB this year meaning it is cancelled, what happens to service time and free agents? Thoughts? that has actually been agreed upon already, if the season is cancelled they will still get a year of service time, so there is a case that Mookie Betts will never plays a game for the Dodgers if that happens.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 13, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -5
The Cubs didn't have much leverage to begin with when it comes to Quintana. A team, in playoff contention, would be adding around $2.6 million in payroll. That's not a lot of money when you look at today's revenue. If the Cubs get nothing for Quintana, who cares? The goal is to reset the tax so they can re-sign key players who are the future of the team. Teams are going to be losing money this year, so adding $2.6 million to payroll is going to be a big deal, and even if it is not then they will play that card to get more leverage to get Theo to add a prospect to the deal which he will likely have to do. So not only if you have to punt the 2020 season before it even starts, but will have to sale players on pennies on the dollar and add prospect to make it happen. There is no way Theo would add prospects to any deal involving Quintana unless he got something of value in return.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 13, 2020 16:34:01 GMT -5
Sounds like MLB guys are more optimistic today about getting something done to play in 2020 versus how they felt yesterday.
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Post by jerm42991 on May 13, 2020 23:11:03 GMT -5
But it’s based on Salary paid and since all players are being paid on a pro rated basis no one is going over the luxury tax. Per current agreement from back from March, luxury tax will be assessed what a full season would look like still even if the salaries are prorated. But at the time, fans were assumed would be back at some point but now not at all, so that could change, if not the Cubs are really screwed and will have to trade players on the pennies on the dollar to just get it down which is completlyy unfair. Just suspend the penalty this year but NOT reset it and start off 2021 from where they were in 2019. If that does not change, forget the Cubs competing in 2020 at all as they will be in aggressive sale mode. For the Cubs though, I don’t think paying the tax is that big of a deal. They would be looking at a couple mil max. Not being able to reset it is a huge issue though
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Post by TheChico on May 14, 2020 9:56:27 GMT -5
Per current agreement from back from March, luxury tax will be assessed what a full season would look like still even if the salaries are prorated. But at the time, fans were assumed would be back at some point but now not at all, so that could change, if not the Cubs are really screwed and will have to trade players on the pennies on the dollar to just get it down which is completlyy unfair. Just suspend the penalty this year but NOT reset it and start off 2021 from where they were in 2019. If that does not change, forget the Cubs competing in 2020 at all as they will be in aggressive sale mode. For the Cubs though, I don’t think paying the tax is that big of a deal. They would be looking at a couple mil max. Not being able to reset it is a huge issue though A few million would usually not be a big deal, but got to think it is now, I imagine the Rickets are losing money big time as they also have a start up cable network that is losing a ton of money right now too, but at the same time you would think the Rickets would get what they want from Comcast now too, since no fans at the game and demand for watching the Cubs on TV will be very high in Chicago which could offset some of their losses. Anyhow, not resting the luxury tax is going to hurt and really put the Cubs in a bad spot if that indeed happens.
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Post by TheChico on May 14, 2020 12:48:32 GMT -5
Blake Snell of the Rays said, he wants his full season $7 million dollar Salary for him to pitch this year, if not he is sitting out the season if it starts up. He said anything less is not worth the risk for him and will not even pitch to the agreed prorated salary either and apparently he is not alone on this.
We could see a bunch of players unwilling to play anything less then their full 162 game season salary it appears.
If players refuse to play that don't have underlying health issues, then they should not be awarded service time either.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 13:42:39 GMT -5
Blake Snell of the Rays said, he wants his full season $7 million dollar Salary for him to pitch this year, if not he is sitting out the season if it starts up. He said anything less is not worth the risk for him and will not even pitch to the agreed prorated salary either and apparently he is not alone on this. We could see a bunch of players unwilling to play anything less then their full 162 game season salary it appears. If players refuse to play that don't have underlying health issues, then they should not be awarded service time either. Wow this could get ugly.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 13:46:49 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer chiming in.
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Post by patriot544 on May 14, 2020 13:48:27 GMT -5
I am a two time cancer survivor who is diabetic and in September I might be told that I have to go back and teach. I’m willing and ready to go back as I know students are not learning and doing as well with this distance learning. I’m sorry but I’m sick and tired of hearing the fight. Both sides are making way more money then doctors and nurses who are dealing with patients daily and more than I will get when I have to go back. These millionaires and billionaires are pissing me off.
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Post by threeandone on May 14, 2020 13:52:21 GMT -5
These guys will be their own worst enemies by opening their mouths. I guess he is clueless that most people do not relate to athletes, some making millions and even the lowest paid are making a half million or more a year. This cannot end well if more of these guys start talking like this. I heard Adam Wainwright say all the right things, like how they need to get back to playing and people do not want to hear about salary issues. I am sure most players understand this, but these vocal clowns will be the ones remembered.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 13:55:46 GMT -5
These guys will be their own worst enemies by opening their mouths. I guess he is clueless that most people do not relate to athletes, some making millions and even the lowest paid are making a half million or more a year. This cannot end well if more of these guys start talking like this. I heard Adam Wainwright say all the right things, like how they need to get back to playing and people do not want to hear about salary issues. I am sure most players understand this, but these vocal clowns will be the ones remembered. More from MLBPA:
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Post by GoCubsGo4ever on May 14, 2020 15:39:15 GMT -5
Blake Snell of the Rays said, he wants his full season $7 million dollar Salary for him to pitch this year, if not he is sitting out the season if it starts up. He said anything less is not worth the risk for him and will not even pitch to the agreed prorated salary either and apparently he is not alone on this. We could see a bunch of players unwilling to play anything less then their full 162 game season salary it appears. If players refuse to play that don't have underlying health issues, then they should not be awarded service time either. Wow this could get ugly. The fight between the billionaires and millionaires. 1994 all over again.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 14, 2020 16:25:40 GMT -5
People tend to forget how quickly a player's career can be over. People tend to look at the over-paid players but forget about how many players are under-paid in terms of production. Baez was 2nd in the MVP voting, in 2018, and made $657,000. He was scheduled to make $10 million this year, which is now cut in half plus deduct taxes and agent fees. If he has a career ending injury, he's screwed.
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Post by jerm42991 on May 14, 2020 16:34:25 GMT -5
Anyone who is out of work right now, or has been is not getting paid by their company and i havent heard of a company retroactively paying them. So is he suggesting any employee who was furloughed should get paid for that time off? Yea thats not how the big boy world works. This is a furlough for them, they shouldn’t get anything more than the prorated amount
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 14, 2020 16:42:33 GMT -5
Anyone who is out of work right now, or has been is not getting paid by their company and i havent heard of a company retroactively paying them. So is he suggesting any employee who was furloughed should get paid for that time off? Yea thats not how the big boy world works. This is a furlough for them, they shouldn’t get anything more than the prorated amount Besides Snell, I haven't seen anyone else asking for the full 100% salary. The owners agreed to a prorated amount in March. They don't want that agreement anymore. They want to pay less, oh well, owners always win I guess
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:54:38 GMT -5
Anyone who is out of work right now, or has been is not getting paid by their company and i havent heard of a company retroactively paying them. So is he suggesting any employee who was furloughed should get paid for that time off? Yea thats not how the big boy world works. This is a furlough for them, they shouldn’t get anything more than the prorated amount Besides Snell, I haven't seen anyone else asking for the full 100% salary. The owners agreed to a prorated amount in March. They don't want that agreement anymore. They want to pay less, oh well, owners always win I guess But from the tweet above Tony Clark seems to imply the MLBPA won't accept any changes to the agreed upon March framework, so what happens?
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Post by rvn11 on May 14, 2020 17:02:57 GMT -5
Very few people are screwed if they just made 7 figures the year before. I know a handful of players that had short careers and were journeymen to the point that they never got deals much beyond the mlb minimum or minor league deals, they’re not set for life but they’re not hurting by any means. Beyond that there isn’t much in terms of a career ending injury in baseball anymore given modern medicine. Pitchers still get deals, sometimes 2 years, after Tommy John. Guys like Machado received massive deals after his knee blew up earlier in his career. The only 2 guys I can think of that legitimately had a career ending injury are prince fielder and I think Corey koskie with concussion. This isn’t football.
To Bauer’s and Snells point, man just when I was getting sick of the owners, they show their stupidity. Nobody’s suggesting this be anything more than a 1 time thing due to unforeseen circumstances. It’s amazing to me that Snell is not complaining (to the best of my knowledge) about getting a small fraction of his contract for doing nothing, but wants nothing less than full payment for less than full work done. As to Bauer, nobody wants that, but that’s the reality facing most Americans right now unfortunately. Many Americans have had to take risks and compromises for the greater good. And the ones that expect business as normal might have their job, company, industry go away entirely. This sucks for everybody but to hold the line without any sort of compromise is incredibly selfish and entitled imo.
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Post by TheChico on May 14, 2020 17:39:34 GMT -5
Blake Snell comments makes him look like an entitled prick and needs to shut the fuck up, don't pitch then if $3.75 million paycheck is not enough for a half of season and will get the top of the line care of treatment in the world and even more than the real fucking hero's which the doctors and nurses will ever get. He can stay home and not pitch but he better not get the service time because he did not earn that.
Bauer comments don't bother me, I totally get where he is coming from, owners are being shady and pretty much made this public in an attempt to make the players the bad guys, he just wants what they are already agreed to which the owners needs to honor, it is amazing billionaire owners with their lawyers did not have any clauses if fans would not be allowed back and same with the union, they did not think about the posibity that they might have to resume with no fans? Clark really sucks as a union leader. Of course the owners are going to come back, they have been trying to screw the players since the existence of baseball. lol
What is sad, the NBA, NHL and NFL will not be having these problems at all and working together, yet baseball is making this like it is CBA battle, keep it up MLB and you will lose a big chunk of fan base again like 1994.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:50:21 GMT -5
This could turn into a CBA like free for all.
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