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Post by kfidd on Jun 15, 2023 9:28:59 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve ever suggested Wisdom would net a good return. I did say recently that maybe the Cubs should contact the Mets and dangle one of Wisdom/Mancini for some 1B depth while Alonso is out, but I was under no illusion the return would be worth much. Sometimes it’s more about freeing up the roster spot than the return itself. And I think we need to establish what is a good return for certain players. A good return doesn’t have to be a top 50 or top 100 prospect. Right now who could be valuable trade assets on this team? Minor leagues aside, I’d suggest Stroman, Bellinger, Gomes, Merryweather, and Leiter Jr are the standouts. That doesn’t mean they are all netting top prospects, but it’s often not about that, it’s about evaluation. Look at the David Robertson for Ben Brown trade. Brown was the Phillies 26th ranked prospect at the time. Now he’s possibly our best pitching prospect who has been fast tracked and could make an impact out of the bullpen any time now. You're specifically mentioning Baty and Vientos, 2 guys the Mets are very high on. There's no way the Mets are trading either one of them, let alone for anything the Cubs can offer. If anything, as the other poster mentioned, you're getting lower level raw high ceiling guys in A or lower for Belly. I don't think you're getting anything for Wisdom. I agree that that is the more likely return in a Bellinger trade. Teams aren’t prone to giving up ML ready talent for rentals. But what I’ve routinely suggested is that it makes sense to package Bellinger with other pieces to increase the return. A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available. Emphasis: “could be.” I have no illusions that these are guarantees. But they are discussions that can be had as starting points and possibly built on from there. Or not and they keep Bellinger. Regarding specifically mentioning Baty and Vientos, yes, those are the only guys worth talking about with the Mets and it’s feasible they could be buyers to an extent based on where they stand today. I don’t believe they are likely to move Baty but it doesn’t hurt to try, and with Vientos they are high on him but not enough to regularly play him right now and if they are trying to win they could be open to the discussion. Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time. I don’t know why you keep mentioning Wisdom. Nobody here is countering your opinion that he doesn’t hold much trade value.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 15, 2023 9:37:47 GMT -5
The issue is, without an extension, Stroman is going to walk. And it doesn't bother me so much that he said they tried to get the Cubs to talk and it didn't work, what bothers me is his comments after that about not letting the Cubs set the narrative and pit against the Cubs as if he's the bad guy. Where does that come from? Something has to have upset him, other than the non-extension talks. Either way I think Stroman is gone if the Cubs aren't willing to talk during the season. Suzuki has a full NTC, not impossible, but would be difficult. I'd absolutely explore moving Suzuki, but I'm not sure a team wants him right now. As for Happ, I'm not trading him yet. I think this is a scenario where IMO it looks really bad to extend him then trade him in the same season. The issue IMO is that the Cubs didn't address the big bat in the middle of the lineup issue the last 2 offseasons. I think it’s worth remembering that Stroman has always been extremely vocal on social media. He did it in Toronto and he did it in New York, no surprise he’s doing so here. I agree with you, I have no problem with his comments and don’t really understand the hubbub over it. But I also agree that he’s a guy that could easily take offense to some things, I just don’t think that’s what has happened yet. He’s just very present on social media but he hasn’t been bashing the Cubs or the process, just stating what his experience has been and that he’d really like to return. That’s not all directed in response to you there, just on the topic. I’d be excited if they announced it within the next few weeks that he was extended but I’m also interested in what the market could be like for him as the best starting pitcher rental available for a contender. And as someone mentioned yesterday I think it’s important to gauge that market and interest sooner rather than later. Happ, like Suzuki, also has a full no trade clause to my knowledge. I don’t know why it’s even being discussed that either could be traded. Not unprecedented but unlikely, and I don’t believe the Cubs have any interest in doing so either.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 15, 2023 9:57:06 GMT -5
You're specifically mentioning Baty and Vientos, 2 guys the Mets are very high on. There's no way the Mets are trading either one of them, let alone for anything the Cubs can offer. If anything, as the other poster mentioned, you're getting lower level raw high ceiling guys in A or lower for Belly. I don't think you're getting anything for Wisdom. I agree that that is the more likely return in a Bellinger trade. Teams aren’t prone to giving up ML ready talent for rentals. But what I’ve routinely suggested is that it makes sense to package Bellinger with other pieces to increase the return. A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available. Emphasis: “could be.” I have no illusions that these are guarantees. But they are discussions that can be had as starting points and possibly built on from there. Or not and they keep Bellinger. Regarding specifically mentioning Baty and Vientos, yes, those are the only guys worth talking about with the Mets and it’s feasible they could be buyers to an extent based on where they stand today. I don’t believe they are likely to move Baty but it doesn’t hurt to try, and with Vientos they are high on him but not enough to regularly play him right now and if they are trying to win they could be open to the discussion. Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time. I don’t know why you keep mentioning Wisdom. Nobody here is countering your opinion that he doesn’t hold much trade value. Again, you can package who ever you want with Belly, it's not going to increase the trade value, I'm sorry, it's not. Because I think you're insinuating adding Wisdom with Belly makes the value batter, it doesn't. "Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time" Just because talking heads said teams liked Baty and Vientos doesn't make it that the Mets were "willing to move them". Everyone listens at the deadline. Sorry guys, this just feels like overvaluing rostered players again. EDIT: The Cubs won't be the only team with potential players available at the deadline.
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Post by rvn11 on Jun 15, 2023 10:27:31 GMT -5
It all depends on if somebody's buying and how bad they want it. 2 years ago we all said position players don't net good returns anymore, then got very promising prospects for Baez, Rizzo and KB. Bellinger when healthy is every bit the player those guys are so there's no reason he can't net a decent prospect in return. If he comes back and picks up right where he left off with no ill effects on the knee there's no reason he can't get a decent low level, high upside prospect in return. The Astros have been rumored to be looking for someone like him, but at the same time they usually play smart with their deadline trades. They'd be the type to look around elsewhere and wait out the market on him as there are others available.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 15, 2023 10:29:48 GMT -5
I agree that that is the more likely return in a Bellinger trade. Teams aren’t prone to giving up ML ready talent for rentals. But what I’ve routinely suggested is that it makes sense to package Bellinger with other pieces to increase the return. A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available. Emphasis: “could be.” I have no illusions that these are guarantees. But they are discussions that can be had as starting points and possibly built on from there. Or not and they keep Bellinger. Regarding specifically mentioning Baty and Vientos, yes, those are the only guys worth talking about with the Mets and it’s feasible they could be buyers to an extent based on where they stand today. I don’t believe they are likely to move Baty but it doesn’t hurt to try, and with Vientos they are high on him but not enough to regularly play him right now and if they are trying to win they could be open to the discussion. Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time. I don’t know why you keep mentioning Wisdom. Nobody here is countering your opinion that he doesn’t hold much trade value. Again, you can package who ever you want with Belly, it's not going to increase the trade value, I'm sorry, it's not. Because I think you're insinuating adding Wisdom with Belly makes the value batter, it doesn't. "Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time" Just because talking heads said teams liked Baty and Vientos doesn't make it that the Mets were "willing to move them". Everyone listens at the deadline. Sorry guys, this just feels like overvaluing rostered players again. EDIT: The Cubs won't be the only team with potential players available at the deadline. There are a lot of things I agree with you on steve, but sometimes you seem to have a very strong agenda and ignore what people are saying. I have mentioned Wisdom one time as a trade candidate and that was over the weekend as a possible player to dangle to the Mets (I also suggested Mancini) after their tough luck news regarding Alonso. I specifically mentioned their likely low to non-existent trade value and that any return would be minimal but that the real prize would be clearing a spot on the 40man. I never overvalued Wisdom there. I also said in the following sentence that you are referencing about packaging Bellinger: “A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available.” How do you equate “pitching depth and the Cubs have that available” to Wisdom? Lastly yes, other teams will have players available to trade as well. This happens every year, more than one team has players they make known are on the market. I guess that means because other players will become available the Cubs should just sit on their hands and not engage in any discussions with anyone about their own players.
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Post by TheChico on Jun 15, 2023 11:00:08 GMT -5
It all depends on if somebody's buying and how bad they want it. 2 years ago we all said position players don't net good returns anymore, then got very promising prospects for Baez, Rizzo and KB. Bellinger when healthy is every bit the player those guys are so there's no reason he can't net a decent prospect in return. If he comes back and picks up right where he left off with no ill effects on the knee there's no reason he can't get a decent low level, high upside prospect in return. The Astros have been rumored to be looking for someone like him, but at the same time they usually play smart with their deadline trades. They'd be the type to look around elsewhere and wait out the market on him as there are others available. You can get a really good return in trades but you are getting guys that are a few years away having any type of impact on the team, just like Baez, Bryant and Rizzo deals. those trades were made in 2021 and none of the players the Cubs got a near ready yet, and only PCA is the closest with a ETA of 2024. The Cubs are in a different spot now, so if they want somebody that can possibly be a impact sooner they Cubs are going to have to attach prospect too.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 15, 2023 11:16:00 GMT -5
It all depends on if somebody's buying and how bad they want it. 2 years ago we all said position players don't net good returns anymore, then got very promising prospects for Baez, Rizzo and KB. Bellinger when healthy is every bit the player those guys are so there's no reason he can't net a decent prospect in return. If he comes back and picks up right where he left off with no ill effects on the knee there's no reason he can't get a decent low level, high upside prospect in return. The Astros have been rumored to be looking for someone like him, but at the same time they usually play smart with their deadline trades. They'd be the type to look around elsewhere and wait out the market on him as there are others available. "Bellinger when healthy is every bit the player those guys are so there's no reason he can't net a decent prospect in return." I disagree. None of those guys were as bad as Belly was in his down years. Even when Baez struggled he was still much much better than how bad Belly was in 2021 and 2022 and now you add a knee injury, teams are going to want to see how the knee holds up until the deadline. I don't disagree with you that he can't net a decent return like a low level upside guy, but IMO I don't think the Cubs get the same player value back for Belly as they did for those guys. I don't think Belly gets back teams top 5 guys let alone maybe not even top 10 guys in a teams farm system. We'll see, though. Remember, Belly was really struggling in May, probably the knee, but when did the knee start these numbers 226/.276 .302/.578 0 HR.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 15, 2023 11:24:26 GMT -5
Again, you can package who ever you want with Belly, it's not going to increase the trade value, I'm sorry, it's not. Because I think you're insinuating adding Wisdom with Belly makes the value batter, it doesn't. "Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time" Just because talking heads said teams liked Baty and Vientos doesn't make it that the Mets were "willing to move them". Everyone listens at the deadline. Sorry guys, this just feels like overvaluing rostered players again. EDIT: The Cubs won't be the only team with potential players available at the deadline. There are a lot of things I agree with you on steve, but sometimes you seem to have a very strong agenda and ignore what people are saying. I have mentioned Wisdom one time as a trade candidate and that was over the weekend as a possible player to dangle to the Mets (I also suggested Mancini) after their tough luck news regarding Alonso. I specifically mentioned their likely low to non-existent trade value and that any return would be minimal but that the real prize would be clearing a spot on the 40man. I never overvalued Wisdom there. I also said in the following sentence that you are referencing about packaging Bellinger: “A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available.” How do you equate “pitching depth and the Cubs have that available” to Wisdom? Lastly yes, other teams will have players available to trade as well. This happens every year, more than one team has players they make known are on the market. I guess that means because other players will become available the Cubs should just sit on their hands and not engage in any discussions with anyone about their own players. It wasn't over the weekend, it was just 2 days ago and I responded to it, that's all.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 15, 2023 11:44:43 GMT -5
Again, you can package who ever you want with Belly, it's not going to increase the trade value, I'm sorry, it's not. Because I think you're insinuating adding Wisdom with Belly makes the value batter, it doesn't. "Apparently they were willing to move him last deadline but the Cubs stood their ground and didn’t bite. So we’ll see what happens this time" Just because talking heads said teams liked Baty and Vientos doesn't make it that the Mets were "willing to move them". Everyone listens at the deadline. Sorry guys, this just feels like overvaluing rostered players again. EDIT: The Cubs won't be the only team with potential players available at the deadline. There are a lot of things I agree with you on steve, but sometimes you seem to have a very strong agenda and ignore what people are saying. I have mentioned Wisdom one time as a trade candidate and that was over the weekend as a possible player to dangle to the Mets (I also suggested Mancini) after their tough luck news regarding Alonso. I specifically mentioned their likely low to non-existent trade value and that any return would be minimal but that the real prize would be clearing a spot on the 40man. I never overvalued Wisdom there. I also said in the following sentence that you are referencing about packaging Bellinger: “A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available.” How do you equate “pitching depth and the Cubs have that available” to Wisdom? Lastly yes, other teams will have players available to trade as well. This happens every year, more than one team has players they make known are on the market. I guess that means because other players will become available the Cubs should just sit on their hands and not engage in any discussions with anyone about their own players. Sometimes Fitz seems to have the mentality that the Cubs are not capable of doing anything and since other teams have players to trade too, the Cubs can't or won't do jack shit...........I don't get it. The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns. Hopefully we don't see them make many if any trades other than guys they have on short term deals . I don't want to see Bellinger traded, and I sure as hell don't want to see Stroman traded but I'd love to see guys who won't get them much like Mancini, Wisdom, Madrigal moved. One guy not being talked about that might have solid value is Leiter Jr , he's become a weapon vs lefties and is having a solid season and I'm sure people will say they won't get anything decent for him and I'm not saying he's as good as Robertson is, but look what the Cubs got for him. Of course Robertson had the better resume, but when the Cubs signed him he really didn't have much interest or value in the game anymore.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 15, 2023 11:52:20 GMT -5
There are a lot of things I agree with you on steve, but sometimes you seem to have a very strong agenda and ignore what people are saying. I have mentioned Wisdom one time as a trade candidate and that was over the weekend as a possible player to dangle to the Mets (I also suggested Mancini) after their tough luck news regarding Alonso. I specifically mentioned their likely low to non-existent trade value and that any return would be minimal but that the real prize would be clearing a spot on the 40man. I never overvalued Wisdom there. I also said in the following sentence that you are referencing about packaging Bellinger: “A team like the Mets, led by an owner who has emphasized his intention to rebuild the farm yet is completely void of minor league pitching and has an ancient and underperforming ML rotation, could be interested in some package that helps improve their pitching depth and the Cubs have that available.” How do you equate “pitching depth and the Cubs have that available” to Wisdom? Lastly yes, other teams will have players available to trade as well. This happens every year, more than one team has players they make known are on the market. I guess that means because other players will become available the Cubs should just sit on their hands and not engage in any discussions with anyone about their own players. Sometimes Fitz seems to have the mentality that the Cubs are not capable of doing anything and since other teams have players to trade too, the Cubs can't or won't do jack shit...........I don't get it. The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns. Hopefully we don't see them make many if any trades other than guys they have on short term deals . I don't want to see Bellinger traded, and I sure as hell don't want to see Stroman traded but I'd love to see guys who won't get them much like Mancini, Wisdom, Madrigal moved. One guy not being talked about that might have solid value is Leiter Jr , he's become a weapon vs lefties and is having a solid season and I'm sure people will say they won't get anything decent for him and I'm not saying he's as good as Robertson is, but look what the Cubs got for him. Of course Robertson had the better resume, but when the Cubs signed him he really didn't have much interest or value in the game anymore. Thanks for completely making up a lie about what I said. "The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns." Right, because the farm system is oozing with MLB talent. How about we wait and see if these guys can play at the MLB level, where it matters most, first. Geezus, every player the Cubs trade for is always the next Mike Trout in your eyes. I haven't seen jack shit turn in to a damn good deal at the MLB level yet in any of the trades. But hey, Cubs can get another 88-90 loss season under their belt in 2023 especially if they trade everyone off again. Good news is, the farm system will keep winning championships!
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Post by batman66 on Jun 15, 2023 12:12:44 GMT -5
Sometimes Fitz seems to have the mentality that the Cubs are not capable of doing anything and since other teams have players to trade too, the Cubs can't or won't do jack shit...........I don't get it. The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns. Hopefully we don't see them make many if any trades other than guys they have on short term deals . I don't want to see Bellinger traded, and I sure as hell don't want to see Stroman traded but I'd love to see guys who won't get them much like Mancini, Wisdom, Madrigal moved. One guy not being talked about that might have solid value is Leiter Jr , he's become a weapon vs lefties and is having a solid season and I'm sure people will say they won't get anything decent for him and I'm not saying he's as good as Robertson is, but look what the Cubs got for him. Of course Robertson had the better resume, but when the Cubs signed him he really didn't have much interest or value in the game anymore. Thanks for completely making up a lie about what I said. "The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns." Right, because the farm system is oozing with MLB talent. How about we wait and see if these guys can play at the MLB level, where it matters most, first. Geezus, every player the Cubs trade for is always the next Mike Trout in your eyes. I haven't seen jack shit turn in to a damn good deal at the MLB level yet in any of the trades. But hey, Cubs can get another 88-90 loss season under their belt in 2023 especially if they trade everyone off again. Good news is, the farm system will keep winning championships! Lol , ok , so people can't have an opinion on players untill they are proven at the major league level now ? Here is the thing , I get you will say they aren't shit until they are doing it in the majors and I kind of get that to a certain extent. But prospects can have a shit ton of trade value , get this , while they are still in the minors and have not even sniffed the majors , so in reality, they don't have to be proving they can contribute in the majors to be valuable. Sure PCA, Canario , Alcantara are no Baez, Bryant, Rizzo yet but the Cubs if they wanted to could get tremendous value for those prospects in trade.
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Post by rvn11 on Jun 15, 2023 12:31:29 GMT -5
It all depends on if somebody's buying and how bad they want it. 2 years ago we all said position players don't net good returns anymore, then got very promising prospects for Baez, Rizzo and KB. Bellinger when healthy is every bit the player those guys are so there's no reason he can't net a decent prospect in return. If he comes back and picks up right where he left off with no ill effects on the knee there's no reason he can't get a decent low level, high upside prospect in return. The Astros have been rumored to be looking for someone like him, but at the same time they usually play smart with their deadline trades. They'd be the type to look around elsewhere and wait out the market on him as there are others available. You can get a really good return in trades but you are getting guys that are a few years away having any type of impact on the team, just like Baez, Bryant and Rizzo deals. those trades were made in 2021 and none of the players the Cubs got a near ready yet, and only PCA is the closest with a ETA of 2024. The Cubs are in a different spot now, so if they want somebody that can possibly be a impact sooner they Cubs are going to have to attach prospect too. Very true, position players don't often net near MLB ready prospects, that's usually reserved for pitchers and relievers, hence why I said low level, high upside.
But I'm not sold that they're looking at only near MLB ready returns. They did that with Madrigal and it didn't really pan out, they could have done better with a prospect. I think they'll take the deal that nets them the best future asset overall. I think they're fairly set with the current roster pieces plus the prospects coming up. All position player spots but 3B/DH/maybe 1B are currently occupied by players that are either signed long term or will soon be occupied by a coming prospect. If they want something ready now then they have a fairly limited type of player they're looking for. If they get a low level prospect, if they pan out they could be one of the next wave of prospects after this current crew comes through, or trade fodder for something of need if they're in contention in 1-3 years as anticipated.
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Post by fine09 on Jun 15, 2023 14:31:02 GMT -5
Your theory doesn't hold water with Stro though because they really haven't been what we would call a "Winning now" team - yet he has stated his desire to stay with the Cubs for his career. You really need to think things through before you hit "post" Steve.. So now the Cubs won't be competitive until 2026 or 2027? Look who's hilarious now. The Cubs may not be competitive till 2026 or 2027. The Reds, Pirates and Cardinals farm systems are all ranked higher than the Cubs so there is no clear advantage there. The biggest advantage the Cubs have is the ability to spend money on free agents or retaining players and yet they seem hesitant to do so. What's cause for concern is when the Cubs have brought players up from the minors, they've been less than impressive. And players like K. Thompson, Hughes and Wesneski have regressed from last year. I'd give there zero chance that the Cubs aren't competitive until 2026 or 27 & if that turned out to be the case then every single top exec would need to be fired. The Cubs are by far the biggest spending team in the NL Central so they wouldn't have to rely heavily on their minors system to be competitive & a ton of money will be available next year to spend so they really should easily be competitive by next year & this year is still no guarantee that they won't be competitive - but it isn't looking great at the minute. They are right under the max. spending level without incurring penalties so it isn't like they are being cheap so I don't understand the "they seem hesitant to spend on free agents" comment. I'm pretty sure that their payroll is the highest in the NL Central.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jun 15, 2023 14:35:16 GMT -5
Cubs still have the best run differential in the NLC
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Post by fine09 on Jun 15, 2023 14:35:51 GMT -5
Thanks for completely making up a lie about what I said. "The Cubs unfortunately if anything have proven they can trade at deadlines and usually get pretty damn good returns." Right, because the farm system is oozing with MLB talent. How about we wait and see if these guys can play at the MLB level, where it matters most, first. Geezus, every player the Cubs trade for is always the next Mike Trout in your eyes. I haven't seen jack shit turn in to a damn good deal at the MLB level yet in any of the trades. But hey, Cubs can get another 88-90 loss season under their belt in 2023 especially if they trade everyone off again. Good news is, the farm system will keep winning championships! Lol , ok , so people can't have an opinion on players untill they are proven at the major league level now ? Here is the thing , I get you will say they aren't shit until they are doing it in the majors and I kind of get that to a certain extent. But prospects can have a shit ton of trade value , get this , while they are still in the minors and have not even sniffed the majors , so in reality, they don't have to be proving they can contribute in the majors to be valuable. Sure PCA, Canario , Alcantara are no Baez, Bryant, Rizzo yet but the Cubs if they wanted to could get tremendous value for those prospects in trade. Did you see the article on bleacherreport "predicting mlb free agent contracts? Bellinger at a 2 year 28 mil per year with a player option for a 3rd. at 22 mil. - Stroman at 4 years & 112 million & lastly Ohtani at a 10 year 520 million deal. Bizarre but they also have Giolito at 5 years & 130 million & if thats true how do you not jump all over Stroman's deal at 4 years at 28 mil per? Damn..
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Post by fine09 on Jun 15, 2023 14:37:52 GMT -5
Cubs still have the best run differential in the NLC That is ridiculous..
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Post by rvn11 on Jun 15, 2023 14:53:35 GMT -5
Lol , ok , so people can't have an opinion on players untill they are proven at the major league level now ? Here is the thing , I get you will say they aren't shit until they are doing it in the majors and I kind of get that to a certain extent. But prospects can have a shit ton of trade value , get this , while they are still in the minors and have not even sniffed the majors , so in reality, they don't have to be proving they can contribute in the majors to be valuable. Sure PCA, Canario , Alcantara are no Baez, Bryant, Rizzo yet but the Cubs if they wanted to could get tremendous value for those prospects in trade. Did you see the article on bleacherreport "predicting mlb free agent contracts? Bellinger at a 2 year 28 mil per year with a player option for a 3rd. at 22 mil. - Stroman at 4 years & 112 million & lastly Ohtani at a 10 year 520 million deal. Bizarre but they also have Giolito at 5 years & 130 million & if thats true how do you not jump all over Stroman's deal at 4 years at 28 mil per? Damn.. Because Giolito is 4 years younger than Stroman.
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Post by fine09 on Jun 15, 2023 15:18:57 GMT -5
Did you see the article on bleacherreport "predicting mlb free agent contracts? Bellinger at a 2 year 28 mil per year with a player option for a 3rd. at 22 mil. - Stroman at 4 years & 112 million & lastly Ohtani at a 10 year 520 million deal. Bizarre but they also have Giolito at 5 years & 130 million & if thats true how do you not jump all over Stroman's deal at 4 years at 28 mil per? Damn.. Because Giolito is 4 years younger than Stroman. 3 years & 3 months but yes he is older but Stroman is also much better if you compare their stats. Giolito had a horrible 2022 but other than that he carried a good ERA & this is Stroman's best year ever.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 15, 2023 15:19:16 GMT -5
Did you see the article on bleacherreport "predicting mlb free agent contracts? Bellinger at a 2 year 28 mil per year with a player option for a 3rd. at 22 mil. - Stroman at 4 years & 112 million & lastly Ohtani at a 10 year 520 million deal. Bizarre but they also have Giolito at 5 years & 130 million & if thats true how do you not jump all over Stroman's deal at 4 years at 28 mil per? Damn.. Because Giolito is 4 years younger than Stroman. Younger, but not better
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Post by TheChico on Jun 15, 2023 15:29:25 GMT -5
Because Giolito is 4 years younger than Stroman. Younger, but not better I trust Stroman on a 4 year deal more than I do Giolitto. Stroman is a rock solid, who knows what version of Giolito you are getting most of the time.
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