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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 13, 2023 8:24:07 GMT -5
We really don't know the day-to-day stuff that goes on in the minors, FO just has to trust the coaches and the feedback they're getting. From a fan perspective, Morel seems grateful and plays like he wants to contribute to the team, whereas Javy wanted the flash and the big stats. Ultimately, if you're posting a 1.000+ OPS among competition that's at best, .800-.900, you gotta promote...the knock on young Javy was the 22+ errors (I wanna say mostly from throwing), that's why he was penciled into the lineup with Addy and Zobrist. Jed did say in an interview that they intentionally started Morel in the minors this season because they did not like the way his 2022 season ended. To be fait to the Javy errors, he was getting to balls other guys weren't. Erratic at times yes, but creating errors because you're making plays others can't doesn't bother me too much.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 13, 2023 8:26:57 GMT -5
Good Article from 2015 that discussed 2014 callup , Theo never said Javy was Cocky and needed to be humbled but it was more implied (maybe more media driven) and this is no knock on Javy, he was just 21 years old and he had lighting quick bat speed that can generate massive power and minors league pitching did not really show much of a challenge for him. If I was Javy and doing what he was doing with those abilities in the minors how could not be a little cocky? www.cubsinsider.com/2015/01/06/cubs-promote-javier-baez-fail/PCA could be treated similar fashion, it will not as harsh as Javy though Theo may not have said the word humble himself , but that indeed was the general perception of why he was brought up early . From that article,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Cubs knew what they were doing by promoting Baez earlier then they may have initially planned. Did they set him up to fail? Not really. They wanted Baez to succeed in the long run, but they also knew full well that he would receive a rude awaking from MLB pitchers. In talking with a scout recently, the belief around some league circles is that the Cubs organization had a purpose in calling Baez up to watch him fail with the hope that it would humble him into understanding the kind of work he still needs to do to be a success at the major-league level. They wanted to break him down a little, if you will; Baez definitely has a stubborn streak. Epstein was pretty up-front with beat reporters in letting them know he wanted the kid to see for himself what it’s really like in the big leagues. All media BS.... Theo never operated that way, to embarrass or "humble" players, which is why everyone that played for him respects him. I get the "fail to succeed" concept, but there is zero quotes from Theo suggesting he was "humbling" Javy. That was a BS media word used.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 13, 2023 10:12:40 GMT -5
Theo may not have said the word humble himself , but that indeed was the general perception of why he was brought up early . From that article,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Cubs knew what they were doing by promoting Baez earlier then they may have initially planned. Did they set him up to fail? Not really. They wanted Baez to succeed in the long run, but they also knew full well that he would receive a rude awaking from MLB pitchers. In talking with a scout recently, the belief around some league circles is that the Cubs organization had a purpose in calling Baez up to watch him fail with the hope that it would humble him into understanding the kind of work he still needs to do to be a success at the major-league level. They wanted to break him down a little, if you will; Baez definitely has a stubborn streak. Epstein was pretty up-front with beat reporters in letting them know he wanted the kid to see for himself what it’s really like in the big leagues. All media BS.... Theo never operated that way, to embarrass or "humble" players, which is why everyone that played for him respects him. I get the "fail to succeed" concept, but there is zero quotes from Theo suggesting he was "humbling" Javy. That was a BS media word used. Well embarrass and humble are two different things. And he's not going to say it , but come on here, the action pretty much speaks for itlsef. Would he try to humble a player, they absolutely did just that. Would he want /try to embarrass , no , embarrass wasn't the M O , it was to make him realize things aren't going to just come easy at the major league level because you are Javy Baez and they always have because of your immense talent. They knew he needed to adjust his game, and Javy wasn't seeing it and it's not a knock on him , when you are always playing a level of baseball thats far above your competition growing up it's natural to feel like you got this . He admitted though that they pretty much knew he would fail initially and that's what they wanted him to experience so it's kind of obvious the reasoning behind it was Javy was/is a bit bullheaded so it was a learning mechanism they used to show Javy what he needs to adjust to make it on the next level . Failure would help him succeed in the long run.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 13, 2023 10:38:01 GMT -5
The action was for success. You and the media want to use the word "humble" because, lets be honest, Javy's personality challenged the "act like you been there before" old school way of thinking. What Javy was doing back then wasn't as acceptable as it is today. Javy was never "humbled", he came back the exact same player and personality, sooooo......
So I'll say setting someone up to fail, only to succeed, is not the same as "humbling a player" which seems to be the conversation here.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 13, 2023 11:01:46 GMT -5
The action was for success. You and the media want to use the word "humble" because, lets be honest, Javy's personality challenged the "act like you been there before" old school way of thinking. What Javy was doing back then wasn't as acceptable as it is today. Javy was never "humbled", he came back the exact same player and personality, sooooo...... So I'll say setting someone up to fail, only to succeed, is not the same as "humbling a player" which seems to be the conversation here. Perhaps humble is not the perfect term to use but that's not really the point anyway , the point to begin with was that they rushed him because they wanted him to experience failure and learn from it. They knew he wasn't ready and still needed work, but they wanted him to see he has to put in the work and his natural talents that carried him that far won't be enough on the major league level.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 13, 2023 11:13:49 GMT -5
The action was for success. You and the media want to use the word "humble" because, lets be honest, Javy's personality challenged the "act like you been there before" old school way of thinking. What Javy was doing back then wasn't as acceptable as it is today. Javy was never "humbled", he came back the exact same player and personality, sooooo...... So I'll say setting someone up to fail, only to succeed, is not the same as "humbling a player" which seems to be the conversation here. Perhaps humble is not the perfect term to use but that's not really the point anyway , the point to begin with was that they rushed him because they wanted him to experience failure and learn from it. They knew he wasn't ready and still needed work, but they wanted him to see he has to put in the work and his natural talents that carried him that far won't be enough on the major league level. I just feel like using the term "humble a player" means they did something wrong, and you even used the work cocky. Javy didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 13, 2023 11:35:01 GMT -5
Perhaps humble is not the perfect term to use but that's not really the point anyway , the point to begin with was that they rushed him because they wanted him to experience failure and learn from it. They knew he wasn't ready and still needed work, but they wanted him to see he has to put in the work and his natural talents that carried him that far won't be enough on the major league level. I just feel like using the term "humble a player" means they did something wrong, and you even used the work cocky. Javy didn't do anything wrong. Fair enough , no he did not do anything wrong. But you can't really deny that he's always been cocky though , scouts even said that about him when he had the MLB tattoo at age 17 . And I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be cocky either or that it's wrong ,as long as you can back it up with your play. And I'm pretty sure the Cubs felt he was too and that is part of the entire rushing him thing so he'd learn from failure , . I know you'll probably pick apart any term I try to use , but they did pretty much try to tame him down by having Manny Ramirez work with him in the minors . And these are not my opinions, you can find these stories online.
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Post by trav768 on Jul 14, 2023 17:31:40 GMT -5
Cubs top pick Matt Shaw has already signed. According to Keith Law, Shaw is getting the full slot value at pick 13
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Post by batman66 on Jul 19, 2023 20:26:32 GMT -5
The Cubs have signed 17 of their 20 picks , only Wiggins, Hope and Armstrong have not signed yet.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 20, 2023 11:30:52 GMT -5
The Cubs have signed 17 of their 20 picks , only Wiggins, Hope and Armstrong have not signed yet. Wiggins was a JR so in theory he could bet on himself and come back perhaps higher next year. They might have to pay him above slot to opt out of that senior season.
Hope being a HS player might be looking for a bonus to skip out on his UNC scholarship. Has a physical scheduled for Saturday and his mom says he'll forgo UNC.
Armstrong - Has a year left, don't know much about him. Numbers are decent, nothing eye popping. Might be hoping for a senior season jump, or for a decent bonus to forgo that season. Who knows.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2023 8:37:11 GMT -5
The Cubs have signed 17 of their 20 picks , only Wiggins, Hope and Armstrong have not signed yet. The Cubs only have around 7 hours left to get Wiggins to sign & do have enough $$ left to give him 1.5 million so they really need to get that done..
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jul 25, 2023 10:17:43 GMT -5
Total Cubs slot money for top ten = $8,962,000. Spent so far = $7,758,500 They have $1,203,500 which is slightly over slot for Wiggins (slot value $1,101,000) It should get done. (I can't help but hear Tim Conway in my head whenever I say "Wiggins")
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 25, 2023 10:18:49 GMT -5
The Cubs have signed 17 of their 20 picks , only Wiggins, Hope and Armstrong have not signed yet. The Cubs only have around 7 hours left to get Wiggins to sign & do have enough $$ left to give him 1.5 million so they really need to get that done.. Hope and Armstrong signed?
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2023 10:53:44 GMT -5
The Cubs only have around 7 hours left to get Wiggins to sign & do have enough $$ left to give him 1.5 million so they really need to get that done.. Hope and Armstrong signed? Yes, both of those guys have signed. Only Miss Wiggins hasn't..
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2023 10:55:16 GMT -5
Total Cubs slot money for top ten = $8,962,000. Spent so far = $7,758,500 They have $1,203,500 which is slightly over slot for Wiggins (slot value $1,101,000) It should get done. (I can't help but hear Tim Conway in my head whenever I say "Wiggins") Can they use any savings that they have from picks 11 to 20 if there is any?
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jul 25, 2023 12:14:45 GMT -5
Total Cubs slot money for top ten = $8,962,000. Spent so far = $7,758,500 They have $1,203,500 which is slightly over slot for Wiggins (slot value $1,101,000) It should get done. (I can't help but hear Tim Conway in my head whenever I say "Wiggins") Can they use any savings that they have from picks 11 to 20 if there is any? I don't think it works that way. It is only the top ten picks.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2023 12:46:35 GMT -5
Can they use any savings that they have from picks 11 to 20 if there is any? I don't think it works that way. It is only the top ten picks. I just saw this on an article I read just now & hopefully this is the case because that is a bunch of money to turn down.. There are now pretty much two final places the Cubs draft can go entering tomorrow’s deadline.
Option 1 — Sign second-round pick Jaxon Wiggins for $1,400,625.
Option 2 — Lose Wiggins, get pick 69 in 2024 Draft, sign undrafted free agent(s) for $245,625 above “slot”.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 25, 2023 12:58:59 GMT -5
Wiggins signed for $1,401,500
The Cubs now signed all 20 draft picks
Very impressive!
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Post by lu13cubbie on Jul 25, 2023 13:04:18 GMT -5
Good job Cubs!!
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2023 13:09:08 GMT -5
Wiggins signed for $1,401,500 The Cubs now signed all 20 draft picks Very impressive! Outstanding news!! Good jobs guys but way to make us sweat (as if we needed help doing that today).. Scouts anticipated this kid being a lock for 1st. round next year which explains his hesitancy to sign but I am really glad he did because next years draft is said to not be very deep at all compared to this years.
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