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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 3, 2024 16:23:06 GMT -5
This whole thread has turned in to cherry picking stats and records. I'm not even sure what anyone is trying to say anymore. Like, since a certain date the Cubs are what they are, ect, etc. At the end of the day they're fighting like a mid team for a wild card spot, the FINAL WC spot, period! Same ole song and dance as 2023.
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Post by okeecub on Sept 3, 2024 16:27:26 GMT -5
SI d-baggery headline: "Chicago Cubs Suffer Worst Collapse At Wrigley Field Since Steve Bartman Game". This is from last nights game. Tell me you don't want to smack this sports writer. "According to OptaSTATS, the cubs hadn't lost after blowing a 3-0 lead (or greater) in the same inning (eight inning or later) at home since game 6 of the 2003 NLCS against the marlins, also known as the infamous "steve bartman game". Get a life, SI.
One far away.
clearly emphasizes the over indulgence in creating meaningless statistics simply to have something to say. I generally disregard most of these facts and generally have little interest in them in favor of more important information like what is our record on the third Wednesday of each month when the weather is partly cloudy, the temperature mid 70’s and wind from southeast at 8 mph or less. The funniest thing about this post is the stat probably is available somewhere |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 3, 2024 16:30:40 GMT -5
Corbin Carrol had a great August, good for the Dbacks and their 77-61 record.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Sept 3, 2024 16:44:15 GMT -5
This whole thread has turned in to cherry picking stats and records. I'm not even sure what anyone is trying to say anymore. Like, since a certain date the Cubs are what they are, ect, etc. At the end of the day they're fighting like a mid team for a wild card spot, the FINAL WC spot, period! Same ole song and dance as 2023. Yes, the team's position does seem to be the same old song and dance. This team still has ground to make up and it is very formidable. However, if they should happen to snag that last spot, I feel much more optimistic because of the starting staff. A good 1-2-3 can carry a team in the post season. Of course, the Steele injury outcome could change everything and has taken the wind out of the sails a bit. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 3, 2024 17:16:39 GMT -5
This whole thread has turned in to cherry picking stats and records. I'm not even sure what anyone is trying to say anymore. Like, since a certain date the Cubs are what they are, ect, etc. At the end of the day they're fighting like a mid team for a wild card spot, the FINAL WC spot, period! Same ole song and dance as 2023. Yes, the team's position does seem to be the same old song and dance. This team still has ground to make up and it is very formidable. However, if they should happen to snag that last spot, I feel much more optimistic because of the starting staff. A good 1-2-3 can carry a team in the post season. Of course, the Steele injury outcome could change everything and has taken the wind out of the sails a bit. This is exactly what Jerry Reinsdorf was talking about.... "I think the important thing to fans is, while they want you to win championships, they want to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot. You’re still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently you’ll make your fans happy." |
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Post by foolforthecity on Sept 3, 2024 21:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by kfidd on Sept 3, 2024 21:11:11 GMT -5
Salty fiddles tags in. All the raging offense of the last couple weeks, last 15 games from our 4 and 5 hitters:
Bellinger - .212/.268/.348/.616
Paredes - .196/.328/.275/.603
Think of the narrative that existed up to mid July. “We need thumping run producers in the middle of the lineup. Opportunities are already very slim, we have to maximize the openings we do have if we want to take leaps forward into relevancy next season.”
If Bellinger doesn’t opt out we have the two biggest losers of the statcast era locked in for at minimum Bellinger-2024 and Paredes-2026. Bellinger is down to a 30 million dollars 104 wRC+ on the season and Paredes, while still a respectable 117 wRC+, is in absolute free fall. That .404 slugging from a traditionally slug first position and acquired to slug on a slug-starving team is glaring.
And before anyone jumps in with “where were you the last ~10 games?” I’ve been here. I’m a Cubs fan first and foremost. I cheered them on because what other choice is there? But these last two games are a carbon copy of the first 81 games of the season. Strong starting pitching, weak offense that leaves way too many runners on, and a bullpen that gives up the death blow. This is why certain posters among us constantly reference the first half. That team is still here. Same players. And the roads to improve at least on a player personnel level for 2025? Slim to none.
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Post by irishcubfan on Sept 4, 2024 1:42:15 GMT -5
Salty fiddles tags in. All the raging offense of the last couple weeks, last 15 games from our 4 and 5 hitters: Bellinger - .212/.268/.348/.616 Paredes - .196/.328/.275/.603 Think of the narrative that existed up to mid July. “We need thumping run producers in the middle of the lineup. Opportunities are already very slim, we have to maximize the openings we do have if we want to take leaps forward into relevancy next season.” If Bellinger doesn’t opt out we have the two biggest losers of the statcast era locked in for at minimum Bellinger-2024 and Paredes-2026. Bellinger is down to a 30 million dollars 104 wRC+ on the season and Paredes, while still a respectable 117 wRC+, is in absolute free fall. That .404 slugging from a traditionally slug first position and acquired to slug on a slug-starving team is glaring. And before anyone jumps in with “where were you the last ~10 games?” I’ve been here. I’m a Cubs fan first and foremost. I cheered them on because what other choice is there? But these last two games are a carbon copy of the first 81 games of the season. Strong starting pitching, weak offense that leaves way too many runners on, and a bullpen that gives up the death blow. This is why certain posters among us constantly reference the first half. That team is still here. Same players. And the roads to improve at least on a player personnel level for 2025? Slim to none. Huge difference between the two, Bellinger has absolute control as to opting in or out (just one reason why Hoyer should be fired) and the Cubs control Paredes via arb contracts where they can choose to not renew and/or trade. No way imo do they trade Paredes this off-season however if his hard hit stats equate to .211/.300/.390 line next year than a POBO not named Hoyer may just decide to not renew the following year. The Cubs can theoretically cut ties with Paredes contractually. The Cubs can't do it with Bellinger. The Cubs with their financial might should aim to be a pre season 93 plus (just arbitrary number) win team and not this let's hope some outperform projections (as Hoyer stated per BN article this year) and possibly be an 84-88 wild card team. 40 percent of the league makes the watered down post tourney and some are happy with Hoyer and crew. Hoyer has had enough time as the POBO. |
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Post by irishcubfan on Sept 4, 2024 2:00:39 GMT -5
Salty fiddles tags in. All the raging offense of the last couple weeks, last 15 games from our 4 and 5 hitters: Bellinger - .212/.268/.348/.616 Paredes - .196/.328/.275/.603 Think of the narrative that existed up to mid July. “We need thumping run producers in the middle of the lineup. Opportunities are already very slim, we have to maximize the openings we do have if we want to take leaps forward into relevancy next season.” If Bellinger doesn’t opt out we have the two biggest losers of the statcast era locked in for at minimum Bellinger-2024 and Paredes-2026. Bellinger is down to a 30 million dollars 104 wRC+ on the season and Paredes, while still a respectable 117 wRC+, is in absolute free fall. That .404 slugging from a traditionally slug first position and acquired to slug on a slug-starving team is glaring. And before anyone jumps in with “where were you the last ~10 games?” I’ve been here. I’m a Cubs fan first and foremost. I cheered them on because what other choice is there? But these last two games are a carbon copy of the first 81 games of the season. Strong starting pitching, weak offense that leaves way too many runners on, and a bullpen that gives up the death blow. This is why certain posters among us constantly reference the first half. That team is still here. Same players. And the roads to improve at least on a player personnel level for 2025? Slim to none. The starting pitching concerns me more than the offense. I know people will cite ERA as a strength for this year but I think the group as a unit is fools gold (for a contending team). I think Imanaga may struggle more next year and settle into MOR/BOR. Steele is good but what is his high in IP? 170 something? People equate him to Lester but Lester is far more durable. Assad pitch count is way too high nearly every start with lack of innings and he can't possibly continue his Houdini act. Taillon is meh to me, average overall and based upon history is an injury risk. 5th spot or add on MOR who knows, Flaherty? Birdsell, Brown, Wesneski as 5-depth (6/7/8)? |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Sept 4, 2024 2:39:15 GMT -5
Corbin Carrol had a great August, good for the Dbacks and their 77-61 record. It's not just Corbin Carrol. When healthy, their lineup is loaded. And they have bench players who contribute. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Sept 4, 2024 3:10:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure the bullpen has been that good of late. The fact that the Cubs offense has been scoring in bunches deflects the problem. collectively they have been better than the first couple months to be sure. I’m not saying we couldn’t stand some improvement but a couple additions plus some young arms, Hodge in particular and what I would consider an addition by subtraction in Neris I believe they have been better overall. We could still certainly use the lights out closer in the ninth and some help from the left side . I'm tired of Hoyer's way of building a bullpen. He gambles on pitchers who are cheap and their career numbers are the reason why. How many pitchers has Hoyer picked up who have been DFAd by other teams? It's not like the Cubs can't afford to spend the money to get a closer. He spent $37 million, this season, on Neris, Hendricks and Smyly alone. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Sept 4, 2024 3:23:31 GMT -5
What is truly bizarre is that comparing the Cubs record against playoff teams up to the All Star break they were 27-29 & that was when we were really stinking it up.. The sweeps of Baltimore and Houston help, but the division record is where it's lost. Playing the same teams consistently, the Cubs are 20-27 within the division. They are losing the season series vs the Brewers (5-8), Cards (6-7) and Reds (3-7) as of today and are 1 game up on the Pirates (6-5). The big win for the Cubs in 2024.... they are 25-15 in interleague play. To be fair, I think I'm being complimentary and critical at the same time. My concern, my biggest concern, is that 2 months ago everyone wanted this team blown up (almost everyone). Now, these wins vs teams with ZERO postseason aspirations, playing call ups and young players, are changing people's minds in to thinking this team will keep in rolling, and is good enough to win in 2025. Honestly I don't want this team back in 2025 only to see it go through the same early season struggles and "fight for a wild card spot". I want the Cubs to use its resources to dominate the NLC. The Cubs are losing to division opponents and, at the same time, these other teams are letting their young players develop. The Cubs future should not still be in Iowa. |
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Post by okeecub on Sept 4, 2024 6:54:49 GMT -5
collectively they have been better than the first couple months to be sure. I’m not saying we couldn’t stand some improvement but a couple additions plus some young arms, Hodge in particular and what I would consider an addition by subtraction in Neris I believe they have been better overall. We could still certainly use the lights out closer in the ninth and some help from the left side . I'm tired of Hoyer's way of building a bullpen. He gambles on pitchers who are cheap and their career numbers are reason why. How many pitchers has Hoyer picked up who have been DFAd by other teams? It's not like the Cubs can't afford to spend the money to get a closer. He spent $37 million, this season, on Neris, Hendricks and Smyly alone. yeah most of the guys picked up off the scrap heap were there for a reason. We really need some lock down late inning arms to shorten the game. I think a couple young arms will help, Hodge has looked good and Little was looking pretty good prior to injury, I keep hoping Palencia can figure it out but so far very inconsistent not sure what else we have in minors |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 4, 2024 8:36:37 GMT -5
Did Jed buy cheap on Paredes? After watching him for half a season there is absolutely nothing I like about him. His defense is fine at 3B, but so are most 3Bs in the league, but his bat is brutal. I really wanted to like this trade, I actually did like this trade, but it has been brutal for the Cubs. And how convenient, it's not going to cost the Cubs money and he's unlikely to be a big money guy. Jed went cheap at a position that needed good defense and offensive production operating like a MID team. And to be clear this is not Paredes vs Morel.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 4, 2024 8:51:03 GMT -5
Corbin Carrol had a great August, good for the Dbacks and their 77-61 record. It's not just Corbin Carrol. When healthy, their lineup is loaded. And they have bench players who contribute. I know, it wasn't about the wins, I was being tongue in cheek with the wins. It was about a potential sophomore slump for PCA like Corbin Carrol's brutal 1st half this season. Lucky for him, Marte and Joc carried that team and Carroll was able to get his OPS+ up over 100 with a great 2nd half after being below 90 all season. Funny too, I was told how shitty Carroll was early in the season when comparing him to Michael Busch (they're from the same draft), oh well. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 4, 2024 9:01:09 GMT -5
I mean, if the Cubs would have just spent the money on Matt Chapman, like I wanted them to, who by the way is 2nd in fWAR at 4.5 only behind Jose Ramirez at 3B and his 118 wRC+ is good to along with his GG defense, the Cubs might be in a better spot for the division or WC. As a matter of fact, Chapman's 4.5 fWAR is 13th on the MLB.... But hey, Tommy gotta save money it's an election year SMH
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 5, 2024 8:19:59 GMT -5
Braves 76-63 …. WON Streak 2 (vs Rockies)
Mets 76-64 0.5GB WON Streak 7 (off day)
Cubs 72-68 4.5GB WON Streak 1 (off day)
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Post by TheChico on Sept 5, 2024 9:15:46 GMT -5
I mean, if the Cubs would have just spent the money on Matt Chapman, like I wanted them to, who by the way is 2nd in fWAR at 4.5 only behind Jose Ramirez at 3B and his 118 wRC+ is good to along with his GG defense, the Cubs might be in a better spot for the division or WC. As a matter of fact, Chapman's 4.5 fWAR is 13th on the MLB.... But hey, Tommy gotta save money it's an election year SMH Speaking of Chapman, the Giants just extended him to a 6 year $151 million deal. Chapman is having one hell of a year. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Sept 5, 2024 9:25:41 GMT -5
I mean, if the Cubs would have just spent the money on Matt Chapman, like I wanted them to, who by the way is 2nd in fWAR at 4.5 only behind Jose Ramirez at 3B and his 118 wRC+ is good to along with his GG defense, the Cubs might be in a better spot for the division or WC. As a matter of fact, Chapman's 4.5 fWAR is 13th on the MLB.... But hey, Tommy gotta save money it's an election year SMH Speaking of Chapman, the Giants just extended him to a 6 year $151 million deal. Chapman is having one hell of a year. That's a lot.... I guess they rewarded him. Boras strikes again. I liked him better at 3/18 AAV  |
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Post by 2mileshighillini on Sept 5, 2024 9:38:13 GMT -5
Cubs are a .514 Team (72-68) Cubs played .512 Ball, last year ( 83 Wins) DBacks & Marlins played .519 Ball, last year (84 Wins) Cubs have 22 games remaining. If the Cubs play .500 (11-11) the rest of the way, they will win 83 Games. If the Cubs play .546 (12-10) They will have improved, from last year (through all the shit).If the Cubs finish (84-78), they will have finished the Streak @ (45-30) .600 75 Games The (over/under) on the Cubs this year was 84.5 (-115/-105)If the Cubs play .591 (13-9) the rest of the way, they will win 85 Games. If the Cubs play .636 (14-8) the rest of the way, they will win 86 Games. If the Cubs play .682 (15-7) the rest of the way, they will win 87 Games. If the Cubs finish (87-75), they will have finished the Streak @ (48-27) .640 75 Games If the Cubs play .818 ( 18-4) the rest of the way, they will win 90 Games. www.denverpost.com/2012/10/23/rocktober-when-the-rockies-accomplished-the-impossible-in-2007/Over the course of 29 days in September and early October, the Rockies won 21 games and lost just once
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