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Post by kfidd on Aug 18, 2024 9:25:05 GMT -5
If I understand correctly (and I’m not that confident I do), if the Cubs were to DFA Neris at any point they would automatically become responsible for his vesting option. The only ways forward with Neris seem to be either his 2025 option vests at 60 appearances or they prevent him from reaching that mark.
What feels more likely to me if Tom wants to avoid the luxury tax in what is very likely to end up as yet another punted season is to DFA Smyly at some point and let a contender pick him up. He’s going to walk anyways and someone could figure to use his experience and flexibility down the stretch.
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Post by batman66 on Aug 18, 2024 16:39:34 GMT -5
If I understand correctly (and I’m not that confident I do), if the Cubs were to DFA Neris at any point they would automatically become responsible for his vesting option. The only ways forward with Neris seem to be either his 2025 option vests at 60 appearances or they prevent him from reaching that mark. What feels more likely to me if Tom wants to avoid the luxury tax in what is very likely to end up as yet another punted season is to DFA Smyly at some point and let a contender pick him up. He’s going to walk anyways and someone could figure to use his experience and flexibility down the stretch. The Cubs would still be responsible for Smyly's salary unless a team claims him off waivers and assumes his contract which I don't see happening unless a playoff contender has a sudden injury and is desperate. |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 18, 2024 16:41:29 GMT -5
If I understand correctly (and I’m not that confident I do), if the Cubs were to DFA Neris at any point they would automatically become responsible for his vesting option. The only ways forward with Neris seem to be either his 2025 option vests at 60 appearances or they prevent him from reaching that mark. What feels more likely to me if Tom wants to avoid the luxury tax in what is very likely to end up as yet another punted season is to DFA Smyly at some point and let a contender pick him up. He’s going to walk anyways and someone could figure to use his experience and flexibility down the stretch. Maybe this seemingly mismanagement of the luxury tax is the downfall of Jed and Hawkins. I don't see Tommy being happy paying a luxury tax penalty and his team miss the playoffs. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Aug 19, 2024 3:21:08 GMT -5
If I understand correctly (and I’m not that confident I do), if the Cubs were to DFA Neris at any point they would automatically become responsible for his vesting option. The only ways forward with Neris seem to be either his 2025 option vests at 60 appearances or they prevent him from reaching that mark. What feels more likely to me if Tom wants to avoid the luxury tax in what is very likely to end up as yet another punted season is to DFA Smyly at some point and let a contender pick him up. He’s going to walk anyways and someone could figure to use his experience and flexibility down the stretch. From what I understand of the roster rules, if the Cubs were to DFA Neris or Smyly they would have to fill those roster spots with pitchers. If the purpose is to bring up Shaw, Cassie, Ballestreros and Triantos, then players like Bote, Wisdom, Tauchman and Bethancourt would be DFA candidates. |
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Post by kfidd on Aug 19, 2024 7:33:37 GMT -5
If I understand correctly (and I’m not that confident I do), if the Cubs were to DFA Neris at any point they would automatically become responsible for his vesting option. The only ways forward with Neris seem to be either his 2025 option vests at 60 appearances or they prevent him from reaching that mark. What feels more likely to me if Tom wants to avoid the luxury tax in what is very likely to end up as yet another punted season is to DFA Smyly at some point and let a contender pick him up. He’s going to walk anyways and someone could figure to use his experience and flexibility down the stretch. From what I understand of the roster rules, if the Cubs were to DFA Neris or Smyly they would have to fill those roster spots with pitchers. If the purpose is to bring up Shaw, Cassie, Ballestreros and Triantos, then players like Bote, Wisdom, Tauchman and Bethancourt would be DFA candidates. That is correct for sure. 13 pitchers, remove a pitcher must add a new one. Unless is there something in September with an expanded roster that alters that? I forgot what happened with September call ups regarding the newer 26man roster. |
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Post by TheChico on Aug 19, 2024 9:14:04 GMT -5
From what I understand of the roster rules, if the Cubs were to DFA Neris or Smyly they would have to fill those roster spots with pitchers. If the purpose is to bring up Shaw, Cassie, Ballestreros and Triantos, then players like Bote, Wisdom, Tauchman and Bethancourt would be DFA candidates. That is correct for sure. 13 pitchers, remove a pitcher must add a new one. Unless is there something in September with an expanded roster that alters that? I forgot what happened with September call ups regarding the newer 26man roster. Rosters expand to 28, and you can add one additional pitcher to 14. |
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Post by foolforthecity on Aug 19, 2024 9:18:29 GMT -5
That is correct for sure. 13 pitchers, remove a pitcher must add a new one. Unless is there something in September with an expanded roster that alters that? I forgot what happened with September call ups regarding the newer 26man roster. Rosters expand to 28, and you can add one additional pitcher to 14. Caissie and Ballesteros? |
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Post by TheChico on Aug 19, 2024 9:26:22 GMT -5
Rosters expand to 28, and you can add one additional pitcher to 14. Caissie and Ballesteros? Caissie to rot on the bench and Jordan Wicks is my guess. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 19, 2024 9:31:08 GMT -5
I read something over the weekend, I forget who it was from, that someone heard rumblings within the org that Shaw will be a Sept call up.
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Post by kfidd on Aug 19, 2024 9:37:34 GMT -5
They need to trim the fat (Smyly, Wisdom, Mastrobuoni, etc) and make room for these kids to taste the bigs this September. If you want them to have a head start on the offseason ahead and the work they need to put in they need to get their asses up here and learn. That’s not going to happen while these other veteran part time jabronis are taking up valuable roster spots.
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Post by cfin on Aug 19, 2024 9:52:25 GMT -5
Rosters expand to 28, and you can add one additional pitcher to 14. Caissie and Ballesteros? None of Caissie, Ballesteros, or Shaw are on the 40-man.
Active rosters expand to 28, but you still have to be on the 40-man.
Nido can go to the 60 day IL and create one 40-man spot.
There's a slew of 40-man roster spots that can be DFA'd to create spots. But again that goes back to why weren't some of these traded at the trade deadline. Not that you were going to get a lot, but a low A lottery ticket is better than nothing.
From the infielders on the 40-man: Madrigal, Mastrobuoni, Mervis, Wisdom - could all be DFA'd
Outfielders: Davis, Tauchman, Canario
It's obvious that Canario has no future here. But the organization has wasted him, to the point that there was no trade value for him at the trade deadline.
Wisdom (power) and Mastrobuoni (positional versatility) might have had some trade value at the deadline. When I say value I mean a low A non-40-man player. But the Cubs did nothing. Tauchman probably had similar value as well, except they were a little short on outfield depth... since God forbid they can't call up Canario to do that!
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 19, 2024 10:23:49 GMT -5
My guess is, no one wanted guys like Wisdom, Mastroboni, etc. Not even for lotto tickets. I don't see contenders having a need for guys like that. A lot of teams have guys like this on their roster already. These are DFA guys that teams will come scoop up and that's my guess, teams preferred to wait. There may even be better DFA options. Are teams really going to want to pay guys like Smyly 5 million for the rest of the year? Wisdom 1.35, Bote 2.25 or even Tauchman about a million. You can get them cheaper after their DFA'd and the Cubs aren't going to eat any of that money in a trade.
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Post by cfin on Aug 19, 2024 10:52:24 GMT -5
Maybe that's true.
I just think the trade deadline should have, at the very least, been about removing some fat from the current roster. Jed was all about "making moves that help the team this year and beyond" ... well, creating roster space for some of the talent in AAA to be brought up is a way to do that.
Vazquez makes a ton of sense as a backup infielder, more so than really any of the current backup infielders. Granted, he was on the IL during the trade deadline, but he was activated last week, so they should have had an idea of how long he would be out.
But Vazquez is another name to add to the Canario and Mervis mismanagement theme.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 19, 2024 11:31:29 GMT -5
I don't disagree, I just think the money attached to some of them was an issue and the Cubs would probably prefer to keep them on the roster vs paying some of that money in trade.
I also just don't think teams cared for any of them.
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Post by TheChico on Aug 20, 2024 9:36:41 GMT -5
I don't disagree, I just think the money attached to some of them was an issue and the Cubs would probably prefer to keep them on the roster vs paying some of that money in trade. I also just don't think teams cared for any of them. You are likely right Smyly comes with a $9.5 AAV which any large market team that is over the CBT or near it will not pay more on the tax to add him and medium and small market teams will not pay $5 million remaining salary for a league average bullpen arm. Wisdom has no value at $2.725 Salary, he is a below average defender, has massive power but comes with a 35-40% Strikeout rate, does not do anything special against lefties even though Counsel and FO believe his is threat against lefties to the point they need hinder Busch development against lefties for it. Hendricks - pretty obvious why nobody wants him at that salary Mastrobouni - every team has a utility player that can at least provide a .475-.500 OPS Neris - Is not a $9.5 million bullpen arm, and nobody wants that vesting option to turn into a player option either, I think the Cubs are stupid enough to let that vesting option to into a player option. Madrigal - If he is not DFA by this offseason, there is no hope for the future with this FO Tauchman - No idea why he was not moved, $1.9 million salary for a solid Backup OF type seems like a no-brainer to trade but Jed has a tendency to overvalue his own players and undervalue the market. |
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Post by lajoiesghost on Aug 20, 2024 9:41:08 GMT -5
Thinking out loud, I wonder if the prospect promotion incentives have an effect on Jed's decisions? Caissie or Ballesteros would have a shot at rookie awards with a full year in Chicago so maybe the plan was to not promote them too early this year to make sure they keep rookie status for 2025. I would think they (and Horton if healthy) are legitimate contenders for rookie awards that garner a bonus pick.
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