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Post by bryzzobrist on Jul 30, 2024 13:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 13:35:59 GMT -5
They just dealt a key bullpen arm, which makes even less sense to go after Snell. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 13:36:33 GMT -5
I'd throw Cleveland in there & remove the Cubs. I'd be completely baffled.. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 13:36:37 GMT -5
1B Busch - .804 OPS 2B Hoerner - .668 OPS 3B Paredes - .792 OPS SS Swanson - .632 OPS RF Bellinger - .741 OPS CF PCA - .550 OPS LF Happ - .772 OPS DH Suzuki - .815 OPS seems bad , right ? They have 3 players close to or over an .800 ops , that's 1/3 of the line up , wanna take a guess on how many players in all of baseball with a qualified number of at bats have an .800+ ops this season ? The answer is 36 Some playoff level teams with the amount of .800+ ops players Yankees 2 Orioles 3 Dodgers 3 Phillies 3 Brewers 0 Yelich is .909 but way short of qualifying Astros 2 Guardians 2 The Cubs have three guys at or near .800 OPS and you think it’s a good argument to say that is a good measuring stick compared to the best offenses in baseball? That’s a very disingenuous argument you are trying to make but the best counter to it? Runs scored Yankees: 553 Orioles: 537 Dodgers: 528 Phillies: 516 Brewers: 506 Astros: 495 Guardians: 486 Cubs: 441 Yes, if the Cubs had scored 15-20% more runs this season I bet they’d be in much better shape. But again, ignoring all of that even, the question is how do the Cubs solidify their lineup from here? There are no openings. We’ve locked down our entire diamond sans catcher for the next 2+ years at each position. And while you may feel good that we have three at or near .800 hitters in our lineup none of them are the glue you can put at the 2-3-4 spot and feel great about. Yankees: 1.034, 1.142 Orioles: .928, 3 others .830+ Dodgers: 1.043, .893, .888 Phillies: .933, .882 Astros: .979, 916 Guardians: .897, .882, 3 others .830+ Brewers: Unique example, without Yelich no one over .800 What was the point you were trying to make? Pretty simple , you decided to post the OPS , I simply pointed out OPS wise the Cubs are not looking that bad , I said nothing about them scoring more runs , thats a clear issue. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 13:40:40 GMT -5
On twitter a scout with the Yankees said, "we won't miss what we gave up for Leiter Jr". I think both teams just moved guys, no one over paid, no one is wrong in this trade, IMO Thanks for saying what one scout said , that means these guys aren't much I guess. It's not a bad trade m one guy was their 20th ranked prospect as a bullpen arm and bullpen arms don't crack top 30's easily and the other guy is tearing up AA . Not a bad haul for a guy who's often been DFA'd and is a pen arm. The only real issue is both are rule 5 eligible and that's a big reason NY was ok with parting with them ....according to more than a scout. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 13:42:27 GMT -5
Nobody said the trade was an issue. I think it's a move for "guys", nothing more, you think they'll be studs, fair enough.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 13:44:38 GMT -5
For me, personally, I'd just won't have even allowed yesterdays start to be in today's conversation. If he's not traded fine, I mean, I'd be curious what the offer were because the reports are teams called. And I'm sure they did. regardless if they progressed to Taillon waiving his NTC or not. For all we know, Taillon went to the Cubs last week and said, "if any of these teams call on my NTC I will NOT waive it", and the Cubs would have to relay that to those teams. I'm also curious who those 10 teams are. I understand that & I also wonder how the 10 team NTC played into this, especially if he wanted to avoid the East coast (and who would blame him - Sorry Bat..). I just read about the velo drop too, had not realized it. I was on the fence about dealing him , still am , it would depend on what they get. I'm simply saying they probably started him because they don't plan to trade him and apparently according to him have not asked him about waiving it to any of his 10 teams , they still could very well be talking with other teams not on it , but them starting him makes me think they don't really plan on moving him , but things could change. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 13:46:03 GMT -5
From Jon Heyman, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Padres are NOT on his 10 team NTC hmmmmmm
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 13:46:22 GMT -5
Nobody said the trade was an issue. I think it's a move for "guys", nothing more, you think they'll be studs, fair enough. You really have severe comprehension problems. I said one was tearing up AA and one is their 20th ranked prospect .........that means I said they will be studs  ? I would have loved to see teachers reading some of your book reports as a child. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 13:50:39 GMT -5
I understand that & I also wonder how the 10 team NTC played into this, especially if he wanted to avoid the East coast (and who would blame him - Sorry Bat..). I just read about the velo drop too, had not realized it. I was on the fence about dealing him , still am , it would depend on what they get. I'm simply saying they probably started him because they don't plan to trade him and apparently according to him have not asked him about waiving it to any of his 10 teams , they still could very well be talking with other teams not on it , but them starting him makes me think they don't really plan on moving him , but things could change. Until I read about the Velo drop I was somewhat hoping they'd hold on to him but now that really concerns me with his multiple TJ surgeries in the past. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 13:51:50 GMT -5
From Jon Heyman, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Padres are NOT on his 10 team NTC hmmmmmm I was hoping they could move him to the Guardians or the Orioles & we could pay down the contract to get a better return. |
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Post by okeecub on Jul 30, 2024 13:54:22 GMT -5
I’m trying to figure out when or even if our strong farm system will be able to make meaningful improvements on the Cubs with so many positions seemingly locked in for the foreseeable future. More development from PCA will help and some young pitchers will develop but as far as more pop in the lineup I don’t see where it’ll come from. With PCA hopefully our center fielder of the future and corner outfielder spots locked in and so many NTC contracts on position players how or when will our power hitting prospects break into the lineup? There aren’t many positions opening in the near future, catcher for sure but that’s where we don’t have a lot of good prospects. I just can’t see where enough help to make a major difference is going to come from. I can only hope our front office is smarter than me ( wouldn’t take much) and has a brilliant master plan Then you have to trade them for value to other teams which also gets you full value before they prove themselves or no at the MLB level. yeah I get that but with so many positions secured for the foreseeable future where do we put someone we trade for other than catcher or maybe a pen arm, but we apparently have several potential pen arms coming soon too. If Busch and Parades are the answer at corner infield PCA the center fielder of the future and NTC contracts at corner outfield and middle infielders for a couple more years, where do we put prospects or trades |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 13:56:42 GMT -5
From Jon Heyman, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Padres are NOT on his 10 team NTC hmmmmmm I was hoping they could move him to the Guardians or the Orioles & we could pay down the contract to get a better return. I think if Baltimore was going to dip in to their top 3-4 guys in a trade it would be more like Skubal or Crochet, not Taillon. They gave up #5 for Rogers. Based on what I read, Holiday and Mayo are def off limits. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 13:58:09 GMT -5
Then you have to trade them for value to other teams which also gets you full value before they prove themselves or no at the MLB level. yeah I get that but with so many positions secured for the foreseeable future where do we put someone we trade for other than catcher or maybe a pen arm, but we apparently have several potential pen arms coming soon too. If Busch and Parades are the answer at corner infield PCA the center fielder of the future and NTC contracts at corner outfield and middle infielders for a couple more years, where do we put prospects or trades If they don't end up trading away any of our starters then some of them would be platoon or bench guys which isn't ideal. It's not impossible to trade guys with NTC but it does make it challenging. They could also trade some of the higher rated prospects for other teams very good but younger prospects to slow their ascent to the bigs and/or remove the rule 5 issues we will start running into with quite a few of these guys. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 13:59:53 GMT -5
I was hoping they could move him to the Guardians or the Orioles & we could pay down the contract to get a better return. I think if Baltimore was going to dip in to their top 3-4 guys in a trade it would be more like Skubal or Crochet, not Taillon. They gave up #5 for Rogers. Based on what I read, Holiday and Mayo are def off limits. Oh I'd be shocked if we even sniffed single digit prospects for Taillon even if we include some cash but the prospect or player is less important as shedding his contract when his value is high (compared to early last season anyway..). |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 14:00:59 GMT -5
yeah I get that but with so many positions secured for the foreseeable future where do we put someone we trade for other than catcher or maybe a pen arm, but we apparently have several potential pen arms coming soon too. If Busch and Parades are the answer at corner infield PCA the center fielder of the future and NTC contracts at corner outfield and middle infielders for a couple more years, where do we put prospects or trades If they don't end up trading away any of our starters then some of them would be platoon or bench guys which isn't ideal. It's not impossible to trade guys with NTC but it does make it challenging. They could also trade some of the higher rated prospects for other teams very good but younger prospects to slow their ascent to the bigs and/or remove the rule 5 issues we will start running into with quite a few of these guys. I feel like position player trades will take place (be entertained) in the offseason, especially those with NTC. Today, seems like a heavy "buying pitchers" market. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 14:01:35 GMT -5
I was hoping they could move him to the Guardians or the Orioles & we could pay down the contract to get a better return. I think if Baltimore was going to dip in to their top 3-4 guys in a trade it would be more like Skubal or Crochet, not Taillon. They gave up #5 for Rogers. Based on what I read, Holiday and Mayo are def off limits. Only way you might get the Orioles at least pick up the phone is if Steele was involved and now Holliday only makes sense but no chance Orioles will part with a likely future superstar. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 14:10:14 GMT -5
Neris is still on the market but is 20 games away from his option converting to a player option in 2024 which is likely holding some teams back
Tauchman out there, but FO might view not enough in a return to warrant trading him.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 14:29:36 GMT -5
Paredes just arrived in Cincy and is at the stadium. He's starting tonight
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 14:33:35 GMT -5
Paredes just arrived in Cincy and is at the stadium. He's starting tonight NICE!! My son & his wife are going to that game in the Kroger suite & he was really hoping to see him. Then again we are watching our 2 young Grandkids so we get the better deal.. |
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