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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 30, 2024 10:51:18 GMT -5
Little more than 6 hours to go. Will the Cubs make any trades today?
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 10:57:41 GMT -5
Little more than 6 hours to go. Will the Cubs make any trades today? At a minimum I think a reliever or two will be traded but I don't expect Belli, Kyle or Jameson to go. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 10:58:07 GMT -5
You really do have comprehension problems , and severe ones. I never said anything close to teams who make it and don't win being meaningless. You have made comments about the past core and how they only got one WS out of them and said the other seasons were failures because they didn't win again and I pointed out they still made the playoffs after that but you didn't care because they didn't win it all , so YOU have the mentality that if you don't win it all , it's a fail. So that's why I bring up to YOU about the other teams you praise about who are making the playoffs but not winning it all as the great teams. If other teams do it , your praise them If the Cubs do it and don't win , it's a fail. I've said I think it's just as big a fail or even more so that a team making it with 250-300 million payrolls year after year can't win than it is for the Cubs and that's where I say then they are really no better if they are not winning it all ............it's all bases on YOUR win it all or it's a fail mind frame. The problem with the win it all mindset is the absurdity of the end of the season tournament and how many teams are allowed in. It isn't the best team or teams worthy anymore, instead we are stuck watching nonsense like last year. Which it turns cheapens the entire sport both reg and post season. Right , I agree , I don't have that mindset that if you don't win it all it's a fail and I hate the watered down playoffs even though it gives the Cubs a better chance. And this might seem odd , but to me even though the ultimate goal is that WS win, I want to be a fan who can enjoy the 162 game season and have a team fighting for the playoffs. I'm not just a 19 game playoff season fan so for me a Cubs fan who suffered through decades of shitty teams it's extra special when they do make the playoffs. But for those who are fans of team always making the playoffs who are expected to , it has to suck just as much when they don't win it all , as it does for us when the Cubs don't make the playoffs. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 10:58:33 GMT -5
Little more than 6 hours to go. Will the Cubs make any trades today? Yes 3 |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 10:59:23 GMT -5
You really do have comprehension problems , and severe ones. I never said anything close to teams who make it and don't win being meaningless. You have made comments about the past core and how they only got one WS out of them and said the other seasons were failures because they didn't win again and I pointed out they still made the playoffs after that but you didn't care because they didn't win it all , so YOU have the mentality that if you don't win it all , it's a fail. So that's why I bring up to YOU about the other teams you praise about who are making the playoffs but not winning it all as the great teams. If other teams do it , your praise them If the Cubs do it and don't win , it's a fail. I've said I think it's just as big a fail or even more so that a team making it with 250-300 million payrolls year after year can't win than it is for the Cubs and that's where I say then they are really no better if they are not winning it all ............it's all bases on YOUR win it all or it's a fail mind frame. The problem with the win it all mindset is the absurdity of the end of the season tournament and how many teams are allowed in. It isn't the best team or teams worthy anymore, instead we are stuck watching nonsense like last year. Which it turns cheapens the entire sport both reg and post season. Rangers 90 wins (4th), Astros 106 wins (8th), Braves 88 wins (10th), Dodgers 43 wins COVID (1st), Nats 93 wins (7th), Redsox 108 wins (1st), Houston 101 wins (17th), Cubs 103 wins (5th) Since the Cubs last won the WS this is the win total of teams that won it all and their payroll rankings. The days of 80-84 win teams winning the World series are over. The top dogs are dominating the postseason year in and year out. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 11:01:16 GMT -5
The problem with the win it all mindset is the absurdity of the end of the season tournament and how many teams are allowed in. It isn't the best team or teams worthy anymore, instead we are stuck watching nonsense like last year. Which it turns cheapens the entire sport both reg and post season. Right , I agree , I don't have that mindset that if you don't win it all it's a fail and I hate the watered down playoffs even though it gives the Cubs a better chance. And this might seem odd , but to me even though the ultimate goal is that WS win, I want to be a fan who can enjoy the 162 game season and have a team fighting for the playoffs. I'm not just a 19 game playoff season fan so for me a Cubs fan who suffered through decades of shitty teams it's extra special when they do make the playoffs. But for those who are fans of team always making the playoffs who are expected to , it has to suck just as much when they don't win it all , as it does for us when the Cubs don't make the playoffs. "I don't have that mindset that if you don't win it all it's a fail" HA don't make me share your posts from other threads regarding how the Yankees and Dodgers fail annually because they don't win it all EDIT: A least I'm consistent on what I debate about. |
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Post by okeecub on Jul 30, 2024 11:09:51 GMT -5
The problem with the win it all mindset is the absurdity of the end of the season tournament and how many teams are allowed in. It isn't the best team or teams worthy anymore, instead we are stuck watching nonsense like last year. Which it turns cheapens the entire sport both reg and post season. Right , I agree , I don't have that mindset that if you don't win it all it's a fail and I hate the watered down playoffs even though it gives the Cubs a better chance. And this might seem odd , but to me even though the ultimate goal is that WS win, I want to be a fan who can enjoy the 162 game season and have a team fighting for the playoffs. I'm not just a 19 game playoff season fan so for me a Cubs fan who suffered through decades of shitty teams it's extra special when they do make the playoffs. But for those who are fans of team always making the playoffs who are expected to , it has to suck just as much when they don't win it all , as it does for us when the Cubs don't make the playoffs. you may be right that it sucks making the playoffs every year and not winning it all but I think i could live with that for a few seasons anyway Lol. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 11:10:29 GMT -5
No action or rumors on deadline day.
it will explode at some point, but oddly quiet.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 30, 2024 11:13:12 GMT -5
No action or rumors on deadline day. it will explode at some point, but oddly quiet. The worst is when 4pm or whatever hits, the deadline passes, and it’s still another 45min or so of waiting for moves to trickle in. Yuck. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 11:15:53 GMT -5
No action or rumors on deadline day. it will explode at some point, but oddly quiet. The worst is when 4pm or whatever hits, the deadline passes, and it’s still another 45min or so of waiting for moves to trickle in. Yuck. and find out Cubs decided to not trade any veterans |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 30, 2024 11:16:59 GMT -5
It's all going to hit at once  |
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 30, 2024 11:20:19 GMT -5
Hope some surprise big names get moved.
I can't figure out why Skubal's name is even mentioned but if he is out there and to be had nearly every team should be lined up to get him.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 11:20:44 GMT -5
No action or rumors on deadline day. it will explode at some point, but oddly quiet. The worst is when 4pm or whatever hits, the deadline passes, and it’s still another 45min or so of waiting for moves to trickle in. Yuck. 6:00 Eastern time |
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Post by foolforthecity on Jul 30, 2024 11:22:36 GMT -5
Right , I agree , I don't have that mindset that if you don't win it all it's a fail and I hate the watered down playoffs even though it gives the Cubs a better chance. And this might seem odd , but to me even though the ultimate goal is that WS win, I want to be a fan who can enjoy the 162 game season and have a team fighting for the playoffs. I'm not just a 19 game playoff season fan so for me a Cubs fan who suffered through decades of shitty teams it's extra special when they do make the playoffs. But for those who are fans of team always making the playoffs who are expected to , it has to suck just as much when they don't win it all , as it does for us when the Cubs don't make the playoffs. you may be right that it sucks making the playoffs every year and not winning it all but I think i could live with that for a few seasons anyway Lol. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 30, 2024 11:24:04 GMT -5
Hope some surprise big names get moved. I can't figure out why Skubal's name is even mentioned but if he is out there and to be had nearly every team should be lined up to get him. 2-1/3 years of the likely AL Cy Young winner this year would cost more prospects or MLB players that few teams would be ready to pony up that "cost". |
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Post by okeecub on Jul 30, 2024 11:30:45 GMT -5
You are right that their removal from prospect status lowers the system value but the bigger reason for the rankings drop is we now have zero 55 FV ranked prospects in the system. That doesn’t mean that they can’t be meaningful contributors in the future but it’s also not like we can point to our system and say “look, there he is. That’s the guy, the answer to our prayers.” But the other problem is by not selling what you can Jed has essentially dug his feet in with multi year commitments at the following positions: C 1B Busch - .804 OPS 2B Hoerner - .668 OPS 3B Paredes - .792 OPS SS Swanson - .632 OPS RF Bellinger - .741 OPS CF PCA - .550 OPS LF Happ - .772 OPS DH Suzuki - .815 OPS I don’t care when a rookie struggles, PCA is fine for now. And even ignoring how underwhelming Hoerner, Swanson, and Bellinger in particular have all been. The bigger standout there should be that while there is some goodish, some okayish, there is no great and there is no room to add a great. The Cubs strategy for offensive improvement in 2025 looks like it’s going to be “whelp, I sure hope these guys can rebound from their off years.” Super inspiring. Its early. A lot can change. Hoerner and/or Bellinger can be moved over the next 10 hours. There’s an offseason ahead. But this is Hoyer and this is our front office we are talking about. Someone yesterday was saying they’d rather have Jed and his smart depth building plan than the clowns like me calling for him to grow balls and make impactful moves. “Brains over balls.” Jed’s big brains don’t seem capable of moving us beyond mediocrity right now. I think what Hoyer has done is built a roster that he believes should be better than it actually is but when it isn’t he doesn’t look to change things up and move on from his mistakes, instead adding a bit of fringe depth here and there while doubling down on his original roster vision. There is where the stubborn Jed mantra came from over the past couple years. Rather than trying to build a winner he builds a roster that he hopes can win and when it doesn’t he doesn’t make meaningful changes, just hopes for the rebound. That’s why I don’t trust his pre-deadline statement about building for 2025 and beyond. He hasn’t proven capable of doing that in any meaningful way. But he has sub-10 hours to at least inspire some positivity and hope so fingers crossed. On my MLB top 30 prospect list I still see the Cubs having 7 in the top 100 with all of them having a 55 overall value. Is that not correct?? I’m trying to figure out when or even if our strong farm system will be able to make meaningful improvements on the Cubs with so many positions seemingly locked in for the foreseeable future. More development from PCA will help and some young pitchers will develop but as far as more pop in the lineup I don’t see where it’ll come from. With PCA hopefully our center fielder of the future and corner outfielder spots locked in and so many NTC contracts on position players how or when will our power hitting prospects break into the lineup? There aren’t many positions opening in the near future, catcher for sure but that’s where we don’t have a lot of good prospects. I just can’t see where enough help to make a major difference is going to come from. I can only hope our front office is smarter than me ( wouldn’t take much) and has a brilliant master plan |
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 30, 2024 11:48:45 GMT -5
Hope some surprise big names get moved. I can't figure out why Skubal's name is even mentioned but if he is out there and to be had nearly every team should be lined up to get him. 2-1/3 years of the likely AL Cy Young winner this year would cost more prospects or MLB players that few teams would be ready to pony up that "cost". I think Detroit should be trying to lock him up for much longer than 2.5 years. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 30, 2024 11:54:56 GMT -5
Bush and PCA graduated off the prospect list so when you drop off a #1 and a #4 it's not unusual to drop, especially when both were top 50 in baseball You are right that their removal from prospect status lowers the system value but the bigger reason for the rankings drop is we now have zero 55 FV ranked prospects in the system. That doesn’t mean that they can’t be meaningful contributors in the future but it’s also not like we can point to our system and say “look, there he is. That’s the guy, the answer to our prayers.” But the other problem is by not selling what you can Jed has essentially dug his feet in with multi year commitments at the following positions: C 1B Busch - .804 OPS 2B Hoerner - .668 OPS 3B Paredes - .792 OPS SS Swanson - .632 OPS RF Bellinger - .741 OPS CF PCA - .550 OPS LF Happ - .772 OPS DH Suzuki - .815 OPS I don’t care when a rookie struggles, PCA is fine for now. And even ignoring how underwhelming Hoerner, Swanson, and Bellinger in particular have all been. The bigger standout there should be that while there is some goodish, some okayish, there is no great and there is no room to add a great. The Cubs strategy for offensive improvement in 2025 looks like it’s going to be “whelp, I sure hope these guys can rebound from their off years.” Super inspiring. Its early. A lot can change. Hoerner and/or Bellinger can be moved over the next 10 hours. There’s an offseason ahead. But this is Hoyer and this is our front office we are talking about. Someone yesterday was saying they’d rather have Jed and his smart depth building plan than the clowns like me calling for him to grow balls and make impactful moves. “Brains over balls.” Jed’s big brains don’t seem capable of moving us beyond mediocrity right now. I think what Hoyer has done is built a roster that he believes should be better than it actually is but when it isn’t he doesn’t look to change things up and move on from his mistakes, instead adding a bit of fringe depth here and there while doubling down on his original roster vision. There is where the stubborn Jed mantra came from over the past couple years. Rather than trying to build a winner he builds a roster that he hopes can win and when it doesn’t he doesn’t make meaningful changes, just hopes for the rebound. That’s why I don’t trust his pre-deadline statement about building for 2025 and beyond. He hasn’t proven capable of doing that in any meaningful way. But he has sub-10 hours to at least inspire some positivity and hope so fingers crossed. 1B Busch - .804 OPS 2B Hoerner - .668 OPS 3B Paredes - .792 OPS SS Swanson - .632 OPS RF Bellinger - .741 OPS CF PCA - .550 OPS LF Happ - .772 OPS DH Suzuki - .815 OPS seems bad , right ? They have 3 players close to or over an .800 ops , that's 1/3 of the line up , wanna take a guess on how many players in all of baseball with a qualified number of at bats have an .800+ ops this season ? The answer is 36 Some playoff level teams with the amount of .800+ ops players Yankees 2 Orioles 3 Dodgers 3 Phillies 3 Brewers 0 Yelich is .909 but way short of qualifying Astros 2 Guardians 2 |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 30, 2024 12:25:48 GMT -5
Leiter to the Yankees
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Post by trav768 on Jul 30, 2024 12:29:40 GMT -5
Cubs will receive infielder Ben Cowles and right-hander Jack Neely |
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