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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 21:42:30 GMT -5
I know I've been on Hoyer, but this trade came out of nowhere. who had Hoyer/ Carter pulling off this trade? most shocking trade so far. our front office pulled it off I was reading a bunch of stuff yesterday that the Yankees and Dodgers were in a bidding war for him and somehow the Cubs pulled off getting him with other teams like Texas, SD and Houston also supposedly interested. So yeah its a shocker. But I did say to people on here that were convinced Jed was selling that read his comments carefully. He did not say that, he said the focus will not be for guys who just help in 2024 which to me meant rentals. It would be for guys that can help in 2025 and beyond. And so far hes made two of those deals. Didnt see a recent all star 3b being one of them though. |
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 22:39:26 GMT -5
Would be great to see us acquire one of Langeliers or Rooker from the A’s. Most recent reports suggest Rooker is likely off the table at this point, but my goodness either would be a huge welcome power addition to the lineup.
Langeliers: 20 hr, .452 slg
Rooker: 25 hr, .587 slg
Yes please.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 29, 2024 3:04:30 GMT -5
I would rather keep Taillon and use him to beat out the Mets in the wild card. If the team can be improved a bunch though.... I agree with keeping Taillon. I'm assuming this could be Hendricks last season with the Cubs. Add in the fact that Brown, Wicks, Horton and Wesneski all dealing with injuries this season. While having 8 pitchers, who can start, may seem like a lot, the rash of injuries says otherwise. Plus, how many innings have these young pitchers thrown in a season? |
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Post by Mike on Jul 29, 2024 6:58:10 GMT -5
Now that we have the DH spot open, I wonder if we unload some prospect capital for Rooker. Gives Jed an out as a reason for not going after Soto.
2B Hoerner
1B Busch (L) / Wisdom
DH Rooker
LF Happ (S)
RF Suzuki
CF Bellinger (L)
3B Paredes
SS Swanson
C Amaya / Bethancourt
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Post by lu13cubbie on Jul 29, 2024 7:15:41 GMT -5
Now that we have the DH spot open, I wonder if we unload some prospect capital for Rooker. Gives Jed an out as a reason for not going after Soto. 2B Hoerner 1B Busch (L) / Wisdom DH Rooker LF Happ (S) RF Suzuki CF Bellinger (L) 3B Paredes SS Swanson C Amaya / Bethancourt Who knows what Jed is thinking, but I doubt he trades top prospects in a year like this one. Stay the course, add where you can. Brains over balls. I see the DH spot this year as a place for Suzuki so as to get PCA and Bellinger in the lineup. It would be nice to get some Cassie in there too. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 7:38:46 GMT -5
Now that we have the DH spot open, I wonder if we unload some prospect capital for Rooker. Gives Jed an out as a reason for not going after Soto. 2B Hoerner 1B Busch (L) / Wisdom DH Rooker LF Happ (S) RF Suzuki CF Bellinger (L) 3B Paredes SS Swanson C Amaya / Bethancourt DH spot isn't open , they are likely to keep going with PCA in CF and Bellinger in RF when he returns and Suzuki will probably see a lot of DH time and only be in RF when there is a lefty on the mound and Belli is in CF. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 7:56:01 GMT -5
I know there are concerns with Paredes projections and that he's a dead pull hitter likely to suffer a bit with Wrigley's 355 down the line and some people are looking at the home run and rbi totals and see no gain right now.
But some things to consider
Paredes has already been an all star and is the same age as Morel
Paredes takes walks and I know Morel has been too ,but the difference is it's almost to the point that he's near as many walks as K's which is pretty rare for a power hitter. walks 52 strike outs 68 , Morel walks 47 strike outs 103
Paredes OBP .357 Morel .302
Paredes OPS .792 Morel .685
And probably our main Cubs season killer , hitting with runners on base
Paredes
RISP .283 with a .839 OPS
Men on .263 with a .843 OPS
2 out RISP .243 with a .804 OPS
Late and close .280 with a .829 OPS
Morel
RISP .200 with a .764 OPS
Men on .235 with a .809 OPS
2 outs RISP .173 with a .633 OPS
Late and close .188 with a .624 OPS
The more I think about this trade the more I like it , the only drawback is you know that Bigge with the Rays is going to turn into a great pen arm.
And something to add , since 2022 Paredes is 19th in baseball in wRC+
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Post by fine09 on Jul 29, 2024 8:27:32 GMT -5
I know there are concerns with Paredes projections and that he's a dead pull hitter likely to suffer a bit with Wrigley's 355 down the line and some people are looking at the home run and rbi totals and see no gain right now. But some things to consider Paredes has already been an all star and is the same age as Morel Paredes takes walks and I know Morel has been too ,but the difference is it's almost to the point that he's near as many walks as K's which is pretty rare for a power hitter. walks 52 strike outs 68 , Morel walks 47 strike outs 103 Paredes OBP .357 Morel .302 Paredes OPS .792 Morel .685 And probably our main Cubs season killer , hitting with runners on base Paredes RISP .283 with a .839 OPS Men on .263 with a .843 OPS 2 out RISP .243 with a .804 OPS Late and close .280 with a .829 OPS Morel RISP .200 with a .764 OPS Men on .235 with a .809 OPS 2 outs RISP .173 with a .633 OPS Late and close .188 with a .624 OPS The more I think about this trade the more I like it , the only drawback is you know that Bigge with the Rays is going to turn into a great pen arm. And something to add , since 2022 Paredes is 19th in baseball in wRC+ I'm was shocked at the trade & it is a very bold move which I really didn't think would happen. Hopefully it works out for us but I still think the BP is every bit as much of the season killer as Morel's bat was - but it really was bad. I'm still going to miss that kid & I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing the Cubs.. |
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 29, 2024 8:35:04 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by the move. On paper Paredes is what this team needs, has needed, and should need for the future. Unfortunately they sold Morel at his absolute lowest point, he was a guy that teams wanted last year in return for greater names. And as with all Tampa trades, they got additional pieces in return as a sweetener. Bigge has been an intriguing bp arm this season and had some promise going forward. I'm not going to say I know anything about Ty Johnson, but his strikeout numbers in the minors show there's at least something promising there as well. I wouldn't be shocked if Tampa turned those 2 arms into solid performers going forward.
Surprising in a way that it adds to the logjam of infielders, particularly in front of Shaw and Triantos. Better too many than too few options I guess.
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Post by Mike on Jul 29, 2024 8:41:44 GMT -5
Shaw and Triantos profile better as 2B, anyway. No need to rush.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jul 29, 2024 8:44:28 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by the move. On paper Paredes is what this team needs, has needed, and should need for the future. Unfortunately they sold Morel at his absolute lowest point, he was a guy that teams wanted last year in return for greater names. And as with all Tampa trades, they got additional pieces in return as a sweetener. Bigge has been an intriguing bp arm this season and had some promise going forward. I'm not going to say I know anything about Ty Johnson, but his strikeout numbers in the minors show there's at least something promising there as well. I wouldn't be shocked if Tampa turned those 2 arms into solid performers going forward. Surprising in a way that it adds to the logjam of infielders, particularly in front of Shaw and Triantos. Better too many than too few options I guess. Yes, we sold Morel at a low point but that was unavoidable. I was not in favor of trading him in the offseason after the promise he showed in '23. We thought he might be a young controlled power hitter just breaking out. It didn't work out unfortunately. Maybe he will turn things around but the Cubs aren't in a position to wait. I liked Morel but am ok with this deal. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 8:47:42 GMT -5
I know there are concerns with Paredes projections and that he's a dead pull hitter likely to suffer a bit with Wrigley's 355 down the line and some people are looking at the home run and rbi totals and see no gain right now. But some things to consider Paredes has already been an all star and is the same age as Morel Paredes takes walks and I know Morel has been too ,but the difference is it's almost to the point that he's near as many walks as K's which is pretty rare for a power hitter. walks 52 strike outs 68 , Morel walks 47 strike outs 103 Paredes OBP .357 Morel .302 Paredes OPS .792 Morel .685 And probably our main Cubs season killer , hitting with runners on base Paredes RISP .283 with a .839 OPS Men on .263 with a .843 OPS 2 out RISP .243 with a .804 OPS Late and close .280 with a .829 OPS Morel RISP .200 with a .764 OPS Men on .235 with a .809 OPS 2 outs RISP .173 with a .633 OPS Late and close .188 with a .624 OPS The more I think about this trade the more I like it , the only drawback is you know that Bigge with the Rays is going to turn into a great pen arm. And something to add , since 2022 Paredes is 19th in baseball in wRC+ I'm was shocked at the trade & it is a very bold move which I really didn't think would happen. Hopefully it works out for us but I still think the BP is every bit as much of the season killer as Morel's bat was - but it really was bad. I'm still going to miss that kid & I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing the Cubs.. I will totally be rooting for Morel to do well , one of the nicest Cubs players of all time. I'm listening to a Cubs podcast about the trade and they were saying how he's the only player they know who even greets the groundscrew guys by name every day, just a genuine upbeat and nice guy. I'm not blaming the Cubs problems on Morel at all , but having a guy who you can write in to play 3b everyday is going to solidify this line up and it also opens up the DH spot for now and the future which they needed to do to fit in some of the youth they are banking on like Caissie and Ballesteros . |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 8:51:41 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by the move. On paper Paredes is what this team needs, has needed, and should need for the future. Unfortunately they sold Morel at his absolute lowest point, he was a guy that teams wanted last year in return for greater names. And as with all Tampa trades, they got additional pieces in return as a sweetener. Bigge has been an intriguing bp arm this season and had some promise going forward. I'm not going to say I know anything about Ty Johnson, but his strikeout numbers in the minors show there's at least something promising there as well. I wouldn't be shocked if Tampa turned those 2 arms into solid performers going forward. Surprising in a way that it adds to the logjam of infielders, particularly in front of Shaw and Triantos. Better too many than too few options I guess. Yes, we sold Morel at a low point but that was unavoidable. I was not in favor of trading him in the offseason after the promise he showed in '23. We thought he might be a young controlled power hitter just breaking out. It didn't work out unfortunately. Maybe he will turn things around but the Cubs aren't in a position to wait. I liked Morel but am ok with this deal. It's not so much them selling on him , it's kind of like the Busch trade and it's more them capitalizing on the opportunity to get a solid young controllable player that fits a need that doesn't always become available and Morel just happened to be the cost. It's usually rentals available at this time , not 25 year olds with 3 years of control. Somebody said it well , Paredes is already what we hope Morel would be one day ....and they are the same age. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 29, 2024 8:55:34 GMT -5
Would be great to see us acquire one of Langeliers or Rooker from the A’s. Most recent reports suggest Rooker is likely off the table at this point, but my goodness either would be a huge welcome power addition to the lineup. Langeliers: 20 hr, .452 slg Rooker: 25 hr, .587 slg Yes please. I would love Langeliers, but he is cheap and under team control for a while and since the owner got his way getting the team out of Oakland the whole getting rid of players so the fans stop showing might be over. The A's still got Tyler Soderstrom at catcher but not near as good behind the plate as Langeliers. Overall finding a long term catcher is going to be a bitch to find. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 29, 2024 8:59:23 GMT -5
Again... this was a good move by the Cubs, but lets not get carried away. This team still has many issues offensively that a swap of Paredes for Morel won't fix.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 29, 2024 9:14:44 GMT -5
Again... this was a good move by the Cubs, but lets not get carried away. This team still has many issues offensively that a swap of Paredes for Morel won't fix. I don't think anybody really believes he is a big fix to the offense, he does improve it but the massive gaping hole in the middle of the lineup is still there and bottom of the order is still very weak. Lots of work to be done to fix this mess still, but good start. |
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Post by trav768 on Jul 29, 2024 9:51:08 GMT -5
I know I've been on Hoyer, but this trade came out of nowhere. who had Hoyer/ Carter pulling off this trade? most shocking trade so far. our front office pulled it off I was reading a bunch of stuff yesterday that the Yankees and Dodgers were in a bidding war for him and somehow the Cubs pulled off getting him with other teams like Texas, SD and Houston also supposedly interested. So yeah its a shocker. But I did say to people on here that were convinced Jed was selling that read his comments carefully. He did not say that, he said the focus will not be for guys who just help in 2024 which to me meant rentals. It would be for guys that can help in 2025 and beyond. And so far hes made two of those deals. Didnt see a recent all star 3b being one of them though. I'm just shocked the other teams couldn't make better offers. kudos Jed/Hawkins to pull this off |
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 9:53:05 GMT -5
My fear is that Paredes will turn into just another Happ. And that seems to be the type of player that Hoyer wants. And that's what's wrong with this offense.
The team needs a slugger. A real slugger. Someone that will put up 30 to 40 homeruns every year.
I'm not against this trade. I do think Morel has a higher ceiling, but a lower floor. With Paredes you're going to get a more consistent production, but not near the ceiling of Morel. It just remains to be seen if Morel will ever achieve that higher ceiling.
One thing that is overlooked with this trade, the Cubs now have an open 40-man spot. Will that be left open for Alzolay?
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 9:55:20 GMT -5
I was reading a bunch of stuff yesterday that the Yankees and Dodgers were in a bidding war for him and somehow the Cubs pulled off getting him with other teams like Texas, SD and Houston also supposedly interested. So yeah its a shocker. But I did say to people on here that were convinced Jed was selling that read his comments carefully. He did not say that, he said the focus will not be for guys who just help in 2024 which to me meant rentals. It would be for guys that can help in 2025 and beyond. And so far hes made two of those deals. Didnt see a recent all star 3b being one of them though. I'm just shocked the other teams couldn't make better offers. kudos Jed/Hawkins to pull this off I think it's more telling that the Yankees, Dodgers, and other teams that were after Paredes saw the metrics for Paredes and weren't that high on them. So their trade packages reflected that.
You also have to take with a grain a salt all of the writing about team A being interested in Player B. I'm not sure I always believe all of that.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 10:01:57 GMT -5
Again... this was a good move by the Cubs, but lets not get carried away. This team still has many issues offensively that a swap of Paredes for Morel won't fix. It won't fix all their problems but it gives them some stability at a position that's been a problem area for a while and you are a guy that loves the wRC+ stat and since 2022 he has the 19th best in baseball and he has a solid track record of hitting with men on base. He reminds me a little of Aramis Ramirez. I've been doubting the front office lately about them not seeming to have a direction and Jed not having balls , we'll see how the next 2 days play out but this trade took a bit of balls and solving one big problem area is a step in the right direction. Most of the top caliper playoff teams were after this guy and Jed is the one that landed him, gotta give him some credit for pulling this off. |
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