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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 10:11:17 GMT -5
I'm just shocked the other teams couldn't make better offers. kudos Jed/Hawkins to pull this off I think it's more telling that the Yankees, Dodgers, and other teams that were after Paredes saw the metrics for Paredes and weren't that high on them. So their trade packages reflected that.
You also have to take with a grain a salt all of the writing about team A being interested in Player B. I'm not sure I always believe all of that.
Could be , or it could be that the Cubs offer beat the other offers , the Cubs actually gave up a lot here. <<You also have to take with a grain a salt all of the writing about team A being interested in Player B. I'm not sure I always believe all of that.>> True, I'm not buying the Cubs are interested in Blake Snell stuff coming from Heyman. But the Paredes stuff, I live in NY and for that reason Facebook apparently thinks I'm interested in the Yankees so I always have a bunch of stuff about them popping up on my page and there were tons of stories about them being close to landing him and fighting LA for him so I doubt all that was just bullshit, but you never know. |
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Post by kfidd on Jul 29, 2024 10:22:53 GMT -5
I'm just shocked the other teams couldn't make better offers. kudos Jed/Hawkins to pull this off I think it's more telling that the Yankees, Dodgers, and other teams that were after Paredes saw the metrics for Paredes and weren't that high on them. So their trade packages reflected that.
You also have to take with a grain a salt all of the writing about team A being interested in Player B. I'm not sure I always believe all of that.
I think this is worth repeating. The idea that contenders were in on him yet ultimately us, a non-contender, landed him with a package that most were fine giving up suggests a lot more to me that other teams were not that high on him than Jed pulling off some huge win. Is it a fine move without a lot inherently great or terrible about it? Yes. I think he has a lot to prove now that he’s not playing half his games at the Trop, a park that seriously catered to his style of hitting. Maybe he can make the adjustments to continue performing at that 130+ wRC+ level. Maybe not. In my eyes he has to earn that trust now and it’s up to him to do it. But when the offense has extremely clear needs and we realistically had three vacancies for next season (3B, DH, C) I don’t think “fine” s good enough for what we need from third base. How many more wins does this team have if we had signed Chapman in the offseason? Personally I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season. Now we are without Morel, a guy who has a good chance to out produce both of them offensively going forward, as well as an exciting and controlled high leverage pen arm in the process. So are the Cubs late to the party yet again with a move? Time will tell. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him because he has been cold for two months now. |
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Post by Mike on Jul 29, 2024 10:34:17 GMT -5
Since removing his leg kick, Amaya in 7 games, has 0 Ks, 2 BB, 6/15 (all singles) = .400/.471/.400 = .871 OPS
Paredes, since ASB, in 10 games, he has 2 Ks, 7 BB, 3/34 (1 1B, 1 2B, 1 HR) = .088/.295/.206 = .501 OPS
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Post by kfidd on Jul 29, 2024 10:38:58 GMT -5
This is still so crazy to process. The overwhelming majority of Paredes’ home runs are of the dead pull variety. The shortest left field foul line is 310ft at Fenway. The Trop is 315ft. Wrigley has the farthest in baseball at 355ft.
No player in baseball is more dead pull happy than Paredes. In his career he has zero opposite field homeruns. You read that right. And what is something I have constantly read in these game threads over the last 2-3 months during our offensive woes? That everyone is trying to pull the ball and hit monster homeruns rather than taking what the pitcher gives them.
We’ll see. Again, come chew my ass out if I am proven wrong on this. But the fit is not nearly as obvious as many want to make it out ti be.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 29, 2024 10:43:06 GMT -5
Again... this was a good move by the Cubs, but lets not get carried away. This team still has many issues offensively that a swap of Paredes for Morel won't fix. It won't fix all their problems but it gives them some stability at a position that's been a problem area for a while and you are a guy that loves the wRC+ stat and since 2022 he has the 19th best in baseball and he has a solid track record of hitting with men on base. He reminds me a little of Aramis Ramirez. I've been doubting the front office lately about them not seeming to have a direction and Jed not having balls , we'll see how the next 2 days play out but this trade took a bit of balls and solving one big problem area is a step in the right direction. Most of the top caliper playoff teams were after this guy and Jed is the one that landed him, gotta give him some credit for pulling this off. Then knock wasn't on Paredes, it was the overall roster construction. Most of the top caliber playoff teams are after every guy. I gave him credit. He gave up a decent package for him, probably more than those playoff caliber teams viewed Paredes. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 10:47:05 GMT -5
I think it's more telling that the Yankees, Dodgers, and other teams that were after Paredes saw the metrics for Paredes and weren't that high on them. So their trade packages reflected that.
You also have to take with a grain a salt all of the writing about team A being interested in Player B. I'm not sure I always believe all of that.
I think this is worth repeating. The idea that contenders were in on him yet ultimately us, a non-contender, landed him with a package that most were fine giving up suggests a lot more to me that other teams were not that high on him than Jed pulling off some huge win. Is it a fine move without a lot inherently great or terrible about it? Yes. I think he has a lot to prove now that he’s not playing half his games at the Trop, a park that seriously catered to his style of hitting. Maybe he can make the adjustments to continue performing at that 130+ wRC+ level. Maybe not. In my eyes he has to earn that trust now and it’s up to him to do it. But when the offense has extremely clear needs and we realistically had three vacancies for next season (3B, DH, C) I don’t think “fine” s good enough for what we need from third base. How many more wins does this team have if we had signed Chapman in the offseason? Personally I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season. Now we are without Morel, a guy who has a good chance to out produce both of them offensively going forward, as well as an exciting and controlled high leverage pen arm in the process. So are the Cubs late to the party yet again with a move? Time will tell. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him because he has been cold for two months now. << I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season.>> Well Chapman is being paid 17 million which would have put the Cubs over the luxury tax and 18 million next season if he doesn't opt out. Paredes is being paid 3.4 Chapman is no doubt better with the glove , but Men on Chapman .280 with .825 ops Paredez .268 with .843 ops RISP Chapman .220 with .735 ops Paredes 283 with .839 ops 2 out RISP Chapman .212 with .639 ops Paredes ,244 with .804 ops Late and close Chapman .190 with a .592 ops Parades .280 with .829 ops And Paredes is only 25 and likely here for 3 more seasons at about what Chapman would cost for 1 season. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 29, 2024 10:53:43 GMT -5
Clearly he was referring to having Chapman all season. There was no point in breaking all that down. You're so quick to be so defensive of everything the Cubs do all the time.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 10:53:53 GMT -5
It won't fix all their problems but it gives them some stability at a position that's been a problem area for a while and you are a guy that loves the wRC+ stat and since 2022 he has the 19th best in baseball and he has a solid track record of hitting with men on base. He reminds me a little of Aramis Ramirez. I've been doubting the front office lately about them not seeming to have a direction and Jed not having balls , we'll see how the next 2 days play out but this trade took a bit of balls and solving one big problem area is a step in the right direction. Most of the top caliper playoff teams were after this guy and Jed is the one that landed him, gotta give him some credit for pulling this off. Then knock wasn't on Paredes, it was the overall roster construction. Most of the top caliber playoff teams are after every guy. I gave him credit. He gave up a decent package for him, probably more than those playoff caliber teams viewed Paredes. Right , but this is a step in helping the overall roster construction problems. It was looking like the Morel 3b experiment was not going to work and if he was going to be a staple in the line up it would have to be at DH. Which would further clog up the OF picture when you have guys like Caissie who has nowhere to play and Ballesteros who probably is not going to be a regular catcher both on the cusp of being ready for the majors. Meanwhile it allows them to DH Suzuki who'd been pretty shaky in RF and allow them to keep playing PCA and Bellinger if he stays. |
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Post by okeecub on Jul 29, 2024 10:54:02 GMT -5
Again... this was a good move by the Cubs, but lets not get carried away. This team still has many issues offensively that a swap of Paredes for Morel won't fix. I don't think anybody really believes he is a big fix to the offense, he does improve it but the massive gaping hole in the middle of the lineup is still there and bottom of the order is still very weak. Lots of work to be done to fix this mess still, but good start. to really fix this team several pieces are needed, hopefully this will be 1 of them. I read that he hits pretty well with men on base so if that’s the case it’s something that has been lacking most of the season s could be helpful |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 29, 2024 10:55:47 GMT -5
The next move IMO is replacing a corner OF spot by moving one of Happ or Suzuki (I understand there's a NTC, no need to bring it up). Also hoping Bellinger opts out, which seems unlikely.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 29, 2024 11:24:11 GMT -5
The next move IMO is replacing a corner OF spot by moving one of Happ or Suzuki (I understand there's a NTC, no need to bring it up). Also hoping Bellinger opts out, which seems unlikely. This is a situation that needs to be addressed, but no idea how you do it. Suzuki, Happ and Bellinger are good but not great hitters, and Cubs are going nowhere without a great hitter in the lineup. |
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5
I think this is worth repeating. The idea that contenders were in on him yet ultimately us, a non-contender, landed him with a package that most were fine giving up suggests a lot more to me that other teams were not that high on him than Jed pulling off some huge win. Is it a fine move without a lot inherently great or terrible about it? Yes. I think he has a lot to prove now that he’s not playing half his games at the Trop, a park that seriously catered to his style of hitting. Maybe he can make the adjustments to continue performing at that 130+ wRC+ level. Maybe not. In my eyes he has to earn that trust now and it’s up to him to do it. But when the offense has extremely clear needs and we realistically had three vacancies for next season (3B, DH, C) I don’t think “fine” s good enough for what we need from third base. How many more wins does this team have if we had signed Chapman in the offseason? Personally I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season. Now we are without Morel, a guy who has a good chance to out produce both of them offensively going forward, as well as an exciting and controlled high leverage pen arm in the process. So are the Cubs late to the party yet again with a move? Time will tell. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him because he has been cold for two months now. << I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season.>> Well Chapman is being paid 17 million which would have put the Cubs over the luxury tax and 18 million next season if he doesn't opt out. Paredes is being paid 3.4 Chapman is no doubt better with the glove , but Men on Chapman .280 with .825 ops Paredez .268 with .843 ops RISP Chapman .220 with .735 ops Paredes 283 with .839 ops 2 out RISP Chapman .212 with .639 ops Paredes ,244 with .804 ops Late and close Chapman .190 with a .592 ops Parades .280 with .829 ops And Paredes is only 25 and likely here for 3 more seasons at about what Chapman would cost for 1 season. I think the point was, if the Cubs had signed Chapman instead of Bellinger. Then the money would be even (Cubs would have a little bit more money) and you could have kept Morel at the DH spot.
How does Chapman + Morel - Bellinger compare to Parades - Morel + Bellinger?
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 11:29:41 GMT -5
The next move IMO is replacing a corner OF spot by moving one of Happ or Suzuki (I understand there's a NTC, no need to bring it up). Also hoping Bellinger opts out, which seems unlikely. With the Cubs opening the season next year in Japan, you can squash all talk about trading Suzuki.
Happ is the one to move. And you may have missed your window since he's returned to more Jekyll since the All-Star break.
Goes without saying though... ideally you'd move Bellinger, but I don't see that being done while he's on the IL.
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Post by Mike on Jul 29, 2024 11:36:45 GMT -5
Happ said publicly, he's not going anywhere. He's not waiving his NTC.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 29, 2024 11:39:03 GMT -5
The next move IMO is replacing a corner OF spot by moving one of Happ or Suzuki (I understand there's a NTC, no need to bring it up). Also hoping Bellinger opts out, which seems unlikely. With the Cubs opening the season next year in Japan, you can squash all talk about trading Suzuki.
Happ is the one to move. And you may have missed your window since he's returned to more Jekyll since the All-Star break.
Goes without saying though... ideally you'd move Bellinger, but I don't see that being done while he's on the IL.
I don't see any of them being moved at the deadline, we will likely see Suzuki move more into a full-time DH role when Bellinger comes back. Bellinger - RF Suzuki - DH Happ - LF PCA - CF This pretty much makes it a near lock for Tauchman to be traded as he is a nice addition for any team that is contending. |
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 11:52:44 GMT -5
Happ said publicly, he's not going anywhere. He's not waiving his NTC. I must have missed that being reported.
I mean, I know he's going a no-trade clause. But just because he has one doesn't mean he will veto any trade. Players get traded with no-trade clauses all the time.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 29, 2024 12:05:13 GMT -5
Happ said publicly, he's not going anywhere. He's not waiving his NTC. I must have missed that being reported.
I mean, I know he's going a no-trade clause. But just because he has one doesn't mean he will veto any trade. Players get traded with no-trade clauses all the time.
Maybe he is refering his comments at Happ presser when he signed the extention last year: "“This organization has meant so much to me,” Happ said. “The opportunity I’ve been given, the honor to represent the city and the uniform, and the history of that, those things mean a lot to me. Not to mention the family aspect of my wife’s from Chicago. It’s an important place to us. You don’t get a lot of security in this game. And it takes a long time to get it.” |
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Post by cfin on Jul 29, 2024 12:32:58 GMT -5
I must have missed that being reported.
I mean, I know he's going a no-trade clause. But just because he has one doesn't mean he will veto any trade. Players get traded with no-trade clauses all the time.
Maybe he is refering his comments at Happ presser when he signed the extention last year: "“This organization has meant so much to me,” Happ said. “The opportunity I’ve been given, the honor to represent the city and the uniform, and the history of that, those things mean a lot to me. Not to mention the family aspect of my wife’s from Chicago. It’s an important place to us. You don’t get a lot of security in this game. And it takes a long time to get it.” I'd counter and say more players get traded with a no-trade clause than players saying "this organization stinks! I hope I'm not here in the 3 years" right after signing an extension.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 12:35:35 GMT -5
<< I don’t think that many more but Chapman has been at least as valuable as Paredes has this season.>> Well Chapman is being paid 17 million which would have put the Cubs over the luxury tax and 18 million next season if he doesn't opt out. Paredes is being paid 3.4 Chapman is no doubt better with the glove , but Men on Chapman .280 with .825 ops Paredez .268 with .843 ops RISP Chapman .220 with .735 ops Paredes 283 with .839 ops 2 out RISP Chapman .212 with .639 ops Paredes ,244 with .804 ops Late and close Chapman .190 with a .592 ops Parades .280 with .829 ops And Paredes is only 25 and likely here for 3 more seasons at about what Chapman would cost for 1 season. I think the point was, if the Cubs had signed Chapman instead of Bellinger. Then the money would be even (Cubs would have a little bit more money) and you could have kept Morel at the DH spot.
How does Chapman + Morel - Bellinger compare to Parades - Morel + Bellinger?
I know Bellinger has not been producing like he did last season , but the season is not over, I would much rather have Bellinger and Paredes than a Chapman and Morel combo. I'm not going to bother posting numbers which most people ignore anyway , but if you or others want to know the big difference , look at the men on base, RISP, late and close numbers etc it's not going to be very similar and that is an area that has killed the Cubs this season. I didn't want to keep Morel at the DH spot , he had had trouble hitting .200 this season and the main reason was , where do you put Caissie or Ballesteros in 2025? |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 29, 2024 12:37:06 GMT -5
Happ said publicly, he's not going anywhere. He's not waiving his NTC. Pretty sure he did not say that. He said he doesn't want to go anywhere. I could be wrong though , maybe I missed something. |
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