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Post by fine09 on Jul 28, 2024 15:28:16 GMT -5
Now you can DH Seiya a bunch, he is a really.nad RF Yep , and Bellinger probably stays and plays RF and then eventually RF will belong to Caissie. Nobody can trade for Cody with his option for next year
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Post by fine09 on Jul 28, 2024 15:29:17 GMT -5
Interesting trade, Bigge the key in it for the Rays? Hoyer wins this if Paredes continues to be an above avg 3b. Saw a blurb where the Cubs were one of 6 teams to check in on Snell. Believe he is signed through next year, too lazy/difficult to look up in my phone while typing. Morel is as a serious buy low candidate
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Post by fine09 on Jul 28, 2024 15:32:21 GMT -5
On an emotional level losing Morel sucks and still believe in his upside but he was just a difficult fit short and long term since 3B does not appear to be in the cards. He now goes to the Rays which is a better fit for him, he can now play 2b and RF more often which he can thrive defensively which was not an option with the Cubs. The Cubs FINALLY solve the 3B problem which is one less issue to address in the offseason While I have mix feelings about this trade, I do believe this was the right decision I think Morel will turn out to be very good. Hopefully Our new 3rd baseman will too..
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 15:33:52 GMT -5
Interesting trade, Bigge the key in it for the Rays? Hoyer wins this if Paredes continues to be an above avg 3b. Saw a blurb where the Cubs were one of 6 teams to check in on Snell. Believe he is signed through next year, too lazy/difficult to look up in my phone while typing. Morel is as a serious buy low candidate That’s the other part of this that I’m not crazy about. This is selling Morel at what must be his absolute lowest value imaginable. He’s having a poor year (though still more home runs and RBIs than Paredes) but the hype was tremendous coming out of 2023 and he’s lowered his K rate to 24.5 while upping his BB rate to 11.2 this season. The signs are there and I won’t be shocked at all to see him take off with Tampa while Paredes’ production takes a sizeable dip with us. In fact I am expecting it.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:34:26 GMT -5
Since the start of 2022 Paredes 9.1 WAR Morel 2.2 .
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Post by okeecub on Jul 28, 2024 15:34:34 GMT -5
I was hoping this deadline would solve the 3b issue. The Cubs got an all star who is 25 and plays a solid 3b and they have under control for multiple years. I know hes a dead pull hitter and people dont love his projections. But I really like this deal. Not happy about Bigge being part of it though. Bigge really looked good in the minors and likely what pushed the deal over, I was looking forward to seeing him pitch the last 2 months, but also still got some good young arms we will hopefully be able to see the final 2 months. I don’t really know anything about the third guy Johnson how were his projections
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:41:12 GMT -5
Morel is as a serious buy low candidate That’s the other part of this that I’m not crazy about. This is selling Morel at what must be his absolute lowest value imaginable. He’s having a poor year (though still more home runs and RBIs than Paredes) but the hype was tremendous coming out of 2023 and he’s lowered his K rate to 24.5 while upping his BB rate to 11.2 this season. The signs are there and I won’t be shocked at all to see him take off with Tampa while Paredes’ production takes a sizeable dip with us. In fact I am expecting it. Yes the hype was tremendous coming off his 2023 but lets not forget he went into 2023 ranked only something like the Cubs #15 prospect and it looked like this season the league kind of figured him out more. I also think the pressure of trying to get him to play a solid 3b was kind of getting to him and hurting him at the plate. I think he will still be a very good player but he just wasnt a great fit to the Cubs roster and this frees up the DH spot to be able to use Suzuki there to open up a future OF spot. If Bellinger stays then Caissie can DH in 2025 and take over when Bellinger leaves.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2024 15:44:00 GMT -5
On an emotional level losing Morel sucks and still believe in his upside but he was just a difficult fit short and long term since 3B does not appear to be in the cards. He now goes to the Rays which is a better fit for him, he can now play 2b and RF more often which he can thrive defensively which was not an option with the Cubs. The Cubs FINALLY solve the 3B problem which is one less issue to address in the offseason While I have mix feelings about this trade, I do believe this was the right decision Yep, my feelings are pretty much the same. Although he was improving some at 3b it still didnt seem like it was going to work and he would mainly be a DH which clogs up the future OF picture. I think Morel will do well with the Rays and I think the Cubs will regret moving Bigge but sometimes you have to over pay to fill a huge hole and I think the Cubs did. Current roster construction was Terrible and Biggie was the cost to fix it. Iit is a bummer to lose him.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:48:40 GMT -5
Yep, my feelings are pretty much the same. Although he was improving some at 3b it still didnt seem like it was going to work and he would mainly be a DH which clogs up the future OF picture. I think Morel will do well with the Rays and I think the Cubs will regret moving Bigge but sometimes you have to over pay to fill a huge hole and I think the Cubs did. Current roster construction was Terrible and Biggie was the cost to fix it. Iit is a bummer to lose him. It is but picking up Pearson yesterday kind of erases it. But a Bigge, Hodge, Pearson trio had me excited. You know Bigge will end up being great out of the Rays pen because thats what they do. Cubs can get him back in about 4 years when the Rays trade him.
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Post by okeecub on Jul 28, 2024 15:50:15 GMT -5
That’s the other part of this that I’m not crazy about. This is selling Morel at what must be his absolute lowest value imaginable. He’s having a poor year (though still more home runs and RBIs than Paredes) but the hype was tremendous coming out of 2023 and he’s lowered his K rate to 24.5 while upping his BB rate to 11.2 this season. The signs are there and I won’t be shocked at all to see him take off with Tampa while Paredes’ production takes a sizeable dip with us. In fact I am expecting it. Yes the hype was tremendous coming off his 2023 but lets not forget he went into 2023 ranked only something like the Cubs #15 prospect and it looked like this season the league kind of figured him out more. I also think the pressure of trying to get him to play a solid 3b was kind of getting to him and hurting him at the plate. I think he will still be a very good player but he just wasnt a great fit to the Cubs roster and this frees up the DH spot to be able to use Suzuki there to open up a future OF spot. If Bellinger stays then Caissie can DH in 2025 and take over when Bellinger leaves. I just kinda feel we got back a player that won’t be much more productive than what we gave up along with a legitimate pen prospect. I don’t know anything about Johnson. I think Morel has a higher possible ceiling. Then again I felt the same way about the Busch trade too and that worked really well for us so hopefully my track record of poorly assessing trades will continue
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 15:51:20 GMT -5
Paredes is a Cub. It is what it is. Now we’ve got the rest of the deadline. We’ll see what this turd of a front office does. Not removing some veterans for the youth movement to arise would be such a Cubs thing. All positions on the field except for catcher and DH now have a long term commitment. Shaw, Triantos, Caissie, nowhere to go right now.
I’d love to see lots of pitcher movement as well as the off chance Bellinger can be traded as well as selling Hoerner. Create some openings for second half competition with your self-proclaimed vaunted top prospects (anyone else see the Cubs farm drop to #7 overall on FanGraphs mid season update with currently zero 55 grade prospects?) so you can go into the offseason with a clearer picture of needs.
Don’t stop here and certainly don’t just buy random spare parts.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 15:52:47 GMT -5
Current roster construction was Terrible and Biggie was the cost to fix it. Iit is a bummer to lose him. It is but picking up Pearson yesterday kind of erases it. But a Bigge, Hodge, Pearson trio had me excited. You know Bigge will end up being great out of the Rays pen because thats what they do. Cubs can get him back in about 4 years when the Rays trade him. Until the Cubs prove they can find any positive results with Pearson it shouldn’t be expected or used as a counterpoint. We can find intrigue with Pearson but don’t pencil him in for anything meaningful until/if he earns it. He’s been awful these last couple seasons.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2024 15:56:00 GMT -5
Current roster construction was Terrible and Biggie was the cost to fix it. Iit is a bummer to lose him. It is but picking up Pearson yesterday kind of erases it. But a Bigge, Hodge, Pearson trio had me excited. You know Bigge will end up being great out of the Rays pen because thats what they do. Cubs can get him back in about 4 years when the Rays trade him. So true! lol Cubs still have a nice collection of young bullpen arms that should get an audition for the 2025 team on the final 2 months too. Losing Biggie sucks but he was not the only high upside young bulllen arm they have.
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Post by okeecub on Jul 28, 2024 15:56:06 GMT -5
Current roster construction was Terrible and Biggie was the cost to fix it. Iit is a bummer to lose him. It is but picking up Pearson yesterday kind of erases it. But a Bigge, Hodge, Pearson trio had me excited. You know Bigge will end up being great out of the Rays pen because thats what they do. Cubs can get him back in about 4 years when the Rays trade him. and Little was starting to look like a weapon from the left side too.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 15:56:53 GMT -5
Cubs should be talking to LAD about a Hoerner and Taillon/Assad trade. Get Dalton Rushing and an unproven but MLB ready arm like River Ryan. Dodgers middle infield has been atrocious and even if/when Mookie returns there is still a disgustingly glaring hole at his mirrored position for a team with World Series aspirations. They also have nine pitchers on the IL at the moment.
Cubs get Rushing and Ryan Dodgers get Hoerner, Taillon/Assad, and a veteran reliever of choice
Eat some money if you have to since it’ll be all taxed accordingly for the Dodgers. Rushing creates another option for C over the next year while Ryan steps right in. Neither is some uber young prospect either (Rushing 23 in AA, Ryan 25 just promoted MLB). These are kids that can factor in in the very near future for a Cubs team trying to reimagine itself a bit.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:58:44 GMT -5
Yes the hype was tremendous coming off his 2023 but lets not forget he went into 2023 ranked only something like the Cubs #15 prospect and it looked like this season the league kind of figured him out more. I also think the pressure of trying to get him to play a solid 3b was kind of getting to him and hurting him at the plate. I think he will still be a very good player but he just wasnt a great fit to the Cubs roster and this frees up the DH spot to be able to use Suzuki there to open up a future OF spot. If Bellinger stays then Caissie can DH in 2025 and take over when Bellinger leaves. I just kinda feel we got back a player that won’t be much more productive than what we gave up along with a legitimate pen prospect. I don’t know anything about Johnson. I think Morel has a higher possible ceiling. Then again I felt the same way about the Busch trade too and that worked really well for us so hopefully my track record of poorly assessing trades will continue Well if you value WAR ratings any and I know they can be flawed they say otherwise. Since 2022 Paredes is a 9.1 and Morel a 2.2 thats a pretty big difference.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 28, 2024 15:59:43 GMT -5
Next 48 hours should be interesting
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 16:05:23 GMT -5
Next 48 hours should be interesting They sure should be. I have no clue what to expect. Maybe Jeds doing what the Yankees did a few seasons ago and buying and selling.
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Post by okeecub on Jul 28, 2024 16:06:33 GMT -5
I just kinda feel we got back a player that won’t be much more productive than what we gave up along with a legitimate pen prospect. I don’t know anything about Johnson. I think Morel has a higher possible ceiling. Then again I felt the same way about the Busch trade too and that worked really well for us so hopefully my track record of poorly assessing trades will continue Well if you value WAR ratings any and I know they can be flawed they say otherwise. Since 2022 Paredes is a 9.1 and Morel a 2.2 thats a pretty big difference. that is a big difference, but I don’t get too wrapped up in the alphabet soup of analytics used in today’s game some are meaningful and some as you say can be flawed. Like I said I was wrong on the Busch trade so hopefully my lack of accuracy continues
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Post by trav768 on Jul 28, 2024 16:47:41 GMT -5
Morel just wasn't the answer at 3B. yes he did improved a lot defensively at 3rd. he took a major step backwards offensively and started to remind me of Baez. sucks losing Bigge but you got to give up something to get something.
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