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Post by horizonimperial on Jul 28, 2024 14:54:35 GMT -5
I was just thinking this… I’ll trust in the management, but I liked Bigge over Pearson, personally. But what do I know? Pearson in 2020 was the 8th ranked prospect in all of baseball. Bigge would have never hit #8 in the Cubs organization. I know that doesnt really mean shit but it speaks on talent/potential. Pearson had a lot of injury issues . You’re right. It just all depends on his development with the cubs. Miller, Lopez and even Tinoco have fared very well with us albeit in a short time. Maybe we’ll get a chance to see Pearson work in just a few innings from now.
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 28, 2024 14:55:23 GMT -5
Interesting trade, Bigge the key in it for the Rays?
Hoyer wins this if Paredes continues to be an above avg 3b.
Saw a blurb where the Cubs were one of 6 teams to check in on Snell. Believe he is signed through next year, too lazy/difficult to look up in my phone while typing.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 28, 2024 14:57:37 GMT -5
Now I wonder if the Cubs just keep Taillon.
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Post by Cubtastic on Jul 28, 2024 14:57:49 GMT -5
Now you can DH Seiya a bunch, he is a really.nad RF
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 28, 2024 14:58:15 GMT -5
Quality attempt by Hoyer to fill a sizeable gap.
Guessing Bellinger is staying, ditto Hoerner?
Still trade Taillon at peak value?
Cubs 25 offensive lineup seems pretty much set besides catcher if Bellinger returns.
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 28, 2024 14:59:23 GMT -5
Now I wonder if the Cubs just keep Taillon. Would trade him,don't trust his availability/mixed health hx.
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Post by Cubtastic on Jul 28, 2024 14:59:24 GMT -5
Quality attempt by Hoyer to fill a sizeable gap. Guessing Bellinger is staying, ditto Hoerner? Still trade Taillon at peak value? Cubs 25 offensive lineup seems pretty much set besides catcher if Bellinger returns. Need a C upgrade really bad
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Post by horizonimperial on Jul 28, 2024 15:00:44 GMT -5
Now I wonder if the Cubs just keep Taillon. I’d trade him if you were very satisfied with the return. Otherwise we might have a logjam in the starting rotation next year with brown, wicks and Horton looking for innings. We’ll see
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:01:41 GMT -5
Now you can DH Seiya a bunch, he is a really.nad RF Yep , and Bellinger probably stays and plays RF and then eventually RF will belong to Caissie.
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 28, 2024 15:01:51 GMT -5
Quality attempt by Hoyer to fill a sizeable gap. Guessing Bellinger is staying, ditto Hoerner? Still trade Taillon at peak value? Cubs 25 offensive lineup seems pretty much set besides catcher if Bellinger returns. Need a C upgrade really bad Yep. I'm calling Jansen will sign as a FA.
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Post by cfin on Jul 28, 2024 15:09:26 GMT -5
Paredes OPS by month April: .920 May: .915 June: .713 July: .628 He also has perhaps the bluest savant page I’ve ever seen, even worse than Bellinger last season: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/isaac-paredes-670623Of the 16 home runs Paredes has hit this season just 9 would have left Wrigley Field with its tough dead pull alley for a righty. Come and burn me to a crisp if I’m wrong but this is not a good move for the Cubs neither today nor tomorrow. I kind of agree with you on this. Except I don't necessarily see it as a bad move, I just don't see it as a needle moving move. I have no problems moving Morel. I'm just not sure if Morel was really anything special. Not really sure where the Rays expect to play him, is he going to be their full-time DH? Maybe if he was playing second base, he might be OK - but I kind of doubt the Rays play him there.
I just don't think Paredes is really anything special either. Probably a better defensive 3rd baseman, but he's not going to be a gold glover there.
Granted, there's not a lot out there for third basemen, but I just don't think Paredes is the offensive answer this team needs. At best, offensively, you're just treading water with this move.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:11:54 GMT -5
I was hoping this deadline would solve the 3b issue. The Cubs got an all star who is 25 and plays a solid 3b and they have under control for multiple years. I know hes a dead pull hitter and people dont love his projections. But I really like this deal. Not happy about Bigge being part of it though.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 28, 2024 15:12:11 GMT -5
Now you can DH Seiya a bunch, he is a really.nad RF Yep , and Bellinger probably stays and plays RF and then eventually RF will belong to Caissie.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:14:07 GMT -5
And I had just read yesterday that the Dodgers and Yankees were both going hard after Paredes. This was a sought after player and Jed just shocked me with this one.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2024 15:16:03 GMT -5
On an emotional level losing Morel sucks and still believe in his upside but he was just a difficult fit short and long term since 3B does not appear to be in the cards.
He now goes to the Rays which is a better fit for him, he can now play 2b and RF more often which he can thrive defensively which was not an option with the Cubs. The Cubs FINALLY solve the 3B problem which is one less issue to address in the offseason
While I have mix feelings about this trade, I do believe this was the right decision
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2024 15:22:14 GMT -5
I was hoping this deadline would solve the 3b issue. The Cubs got an all star who is 25 and plays a solid 3b and they have under control for multiple years. I know hes a dead pull hitter and people dont love his projections. But I really like this deal. Not happy about Bigge being part of it though. Bigge really looked good in the minors and likely what pushed the deal over, I was looking forward to seeing him pitch the last 2 months, but also still got some good young arms we will hopefully be able to see the final 2 months.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 28, 2024 15:24:49 GMT -5
Paredes OPS by month April: .920 May: .915 June: .713 July: .628 He also has perhaps the bluest savant page I’ve ever seen, even worse than Bellinger last season: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/isaac-paredes-670623Of the 16 home runs Paredes has hit this season just 9 would have left Wrigley Field with its tough dead pull alley for a righty. Come and burn me to a crisp if I’m wrong but this is not a good move for the Cubs neither today nor tomorrow. I kind of agree with you on this. Except I don't necessarily see it as a bad move, I just don't see it as a needle moving move. I have no problems moving Morel. I'm just not sure if Morel was really anything special. Not really sure where the Rays expect to play him, is he going to be their full-time DH? Maybe if he was playing second base, he might be OK - but I kind of doubt the Rays play him there.
I just don't think Paredes is really anything special either. Probably a better defensive 3rd baseman, but he's not going to be a gold glover there.
Granted, there's not a lot out there for third basemen, but I just don't think Paredes is the offensive answer this team needs. At best, offensively, you're just treading water with this move.
I agree on the whole. The move is fine but if the Cubs were going to lock down one of the couple vacancies we have (and third base was by far the best opportunity to make a significant offensive upgrade) fine simply isn’t good enough. Everyone better hope that his style of hitting works in Chicago. It didn’t in Detroit, it did in Tampa where the dimensions of that park were practically tailor made for him, and they don’t project well now playing half his games at Wrigley. He’s been on the downswing for almost two months now which should be worrisome because again, no matter how much anyone tries to deny it, sluggers who don’t hit the ball hard don’t remain sluggers for long. As with all moves only time will tell. I don’t believe this is nearly the upgrade most people think it is. The Cubs still have a major need in the offense and now one less position to fill it with. Paredes OPS home / away 2022: .830 / .670 2023: .912 / .778 2024: .830 / .751 ^ His numbers since transitioning to Tampa. That park is built for his dead pull approach. It hasn’t worked great anywhere else and that’s not going to improve playing 50% of his games at Wrigley. Tampa dead pull left field: 315ft Wrigley: 355ft (the further in baseball) Where is the only place Paredes ever hits home runs? Dead pull left field. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/isaac-paredes-670623?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2024 15:26:35 GMT -5
On an emotional level losing Morel sucks and still believe in his upside but he was just a difficult fit short and long term since 3B does not appear to be in the cards. He now goes to the Rays which is a better fit for him, he can now play 2b and RF more often which he can thrive defensively which was not an option with the Cubs. The Cubs FINALLY solve the 3B problem which is one less issue to address in the offseason While I have mix feelings about this trade, I do believe this was the right decision Yep, my feelings are pretty much the same. Although he was improving some at 3b it still didnt seem like it was going to work and he would mainly be a DH which clogs up the future OF picture. I think Morel will do well with the Rays and I think the Cubs will regret moving Bigge but sometimes you have to over pay to fill a huge hole and I think the Cubs did.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2024 15:26:41 GMT -5
Paredes OPS by month April: .920 May: .915 June: .713 July: .628 He also has perhaps the bluest savant page I’ve ever seen, even worse than Bellinger last season: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/isaac-paredes-670623Of the 16 home runs Paredes has hit this season just 9 would have left Wrigley Field with its tough dead pull alley for a righty. Come and burn me to a crisp if I’m wrong but this is not a good move for the Cubs neither today nor tomorrow. I kind of agree with you on this. Except I don't necessarily see it as a bad move, I just don't see it as a needle moving move. I have no problems moving Morel. I'm just not sure if Morel was really anything special. Not really sure where the Rays expect to play him, is he going to be their full-time DH? Maybe if he was playing second base, he might be OK - but I kind of doubt the Rays play him there.
I just don't think Paredes is really anything special either. Probably a better defensive 3rd baseman, but he's not going to be a gold glover there.
Granted, there's not a lot out there for third basemen, but I just don't think Paredes is the offensive answer this team needs. At best, offensively, you're just treading water with this move.
Parades solves 3B but you are right he does not solve the middle of the order hitter issue. Cubs externally will still need to find that guy, I don’t believe they have it internally.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 28, 2024 15:27:05 GMT -5
Quality attempt by Hoyer to fill a sizeable gap. Guessing Bellinger is staying, ditto Hoerner? Still trade Taillon at peak value? Cubs 25 offensive lineup seems pretty much set besides catcher if Bellinger returns. Need a C upgrade really bad That comes in free agency
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