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Post by batman66 on Jul 23, 2024 12:25:06 GMT -5
For fucks sake man, let it go already. Dead Jed has no fucking balls. Move on already. And this "respect" thing for Hendricks..... yeah, ok. Like Lester got? Or Rizzo? So Hendricks was part of a WS team. Who cares what Hendricks wants, do what best for the future of the team, I don't care that he has 5/10 rights, let him walk at seasons end then. I know Jed has no balls, all I'm doing is trying to pound it into your head what he actually REALLY did say and it is NOT what you posted that you said Jesse posted. I broke it down for you , apparently you see you were wrong by saying let it go already and move on already. As far as the respect , that's what I feel they should do , not what I think they will do and I've said MANY times I felt Rizzo should have been approached about an extension atleast two years before he was when they were picking up those two option years . And you have to talk to a guy with 5/10 rights anyway , so if he wants to be moved it makes it easier, if he doesn't then thats what I was saying let his contract run out.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 23, 2024 14:13:26 GMT -5
For fucks sake man, let it go already. Dead Jed has no fucking balls. Move on already. And this "respect" thing for Hendricks..... yeah, ok. Like Lester got? Or Rizzo? So Hendricks was part of a WS team. Who cares what Hendricks wants, do what best for the future of the team, I don't care that he has 5/10 rights, let him walk at seasons end then. I know Jed has no balls, all I'm doing is trying to pound it into your head what he actually REALLY did say and it is NOT what you posted that you said Jesse posted. I broke it down for you , apparently you see you were wrong by saying let it go already and move on already. As far as the respect , that's what I feel they should do , not what I think they will do and I've said MANY times I felt Rizzo should have been approached about an extension atleast two years before he was when they were picking up those two option years . And you have to talk to a guy with 5/10 rights anyway , so if he wants to be moved it makes it easier, if he doesn't then thats what I was saying let his contract run out. We need Jameson to pitch well tonight to increase or at a minimum hold his value which is at an all time high.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 23, 2024 14:21:33 GMT -5
I prefer the Cubs somehow, someway trade Bellinger and than Taillon to clear payroll next year and fire Hoyer as he has proven he can't win without Epstein and let another POBO tackle the off-season. I don't think that will be the case though as I think Hoyer will be around for 25 and will just trade one of or all of Neris, Smyly, Leiter depending upon how the Brewers and next series wraps up. The main goal will be ofc the luxury tax and assured of being under it. I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good.
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Post by stratos on Jul 23, 2024 14:27:53 GMT -5
Well we have Shaw to play 3B when he's ready, which should be by around ASB next year sans injury. Catching prospects notoriously flame out so that one is tough, but we could still use one.
The Cubs do have a young catching prospect in Ballesteros. I don't see him as much of a catcher, but I guess we'll see.
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Post by stratos on Jul 23, 2024 14:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by stratos on Jul 23, 2024 14:55:21 GMT -5
I prefer the Cubs somehow, someway trade Bellinger and than Taillon to clear payroll next year and fire Hoyer as he has proven he can't win without Epstein and let another POBO tackle the off-season. I don't think that will be the case though as I think Hoyer will be around for 25 and will just trade one of or all of Neris, Smyly, Leiter depending upon how the Brewers and next series wraps up. The main goal will be ofc the luxury tax and assured of being under it. I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good. His trades have been pretty good. I can't name a bad trade.
I think his biggest flaw is overpaying for fringe-ish talent on short-term deals, like Mancini, Smyly etc. He's done well on any major transactions made.
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Post by okeecub on Jul 23, 2024 15:28:09 GMT -5
I know Jed has no balls, all I'm doing is trying to pound it into your head what he actually REALLY did say and it is NOT what you posted that you said Jesse posted. I broke it down for you , apparently you see you were wrong by saying let it go already and move on already. As far as the respect , that's what I feel they should do , not what I think they will do and I've said MANY times I felt Rizzo should have been approached about an extension atleast two years before he was when they were picking up those two option years . And you have to talk to a guy with 5/10 rights anyway , so if he wants to be moved it makes it easier, if he doesn't then thats what I was saying let his contract run out. We need Jameson to pitch well tonight to increase or at a minimum hold his value which is at an all time high. and definitely no injuries please
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 23, 2024 16:31:44 GMT -5
I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good. His trades have been pretty good. I can't name a bad trade.
I think his biggest flaw is overpaying for fringe-ish talent on short-term deals, like Mancini, Smyly etc. He's done well on any major transactions made.
He hangs on to non-productive players far to long at the expense of top prospects. For the second year in a row, the bullpen issues have put them in behind the 8 ball. The money he's wasted could have been better spent on a middle-of-the order bat or a legit closer. He's indecisive on this teams direction. If he wanted more slug in the lineup, he should have kept Schwarber and Contreras or at least got something in return for them. He still doesn't know if Cassie, Shaw, Ballesteros, etc. can produce at the ML level. He appears like he's already decided that Mervis and Canario can't cut it so why waste the roster spots. The Dodgers did right by Busch and traded him because he was blocked. Hoyer needs to do the same for those two. As far as trades, he hasn't made many since he moved Bryant, Rizzo and Baez. The trade for Busch was good but the Cuas, Kimbrel and Candelario trades didn't pan out. I can't say he's done well on major transactions because the Cubs record doesn't reflect it. With the payroll and farm system he has at his disposal, this team should be competing for the division title.
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Post by cfin on Jul 23, 2024 17:16:02 GMT -5
His trades have been pretty good. I can't name a bad trade.
I think his biggest flaw is overpaying for fringe-ish talent on short-term deals, like Mancini, Smyly etc. He's done well on any major transactions made.
He hangs on to non-productive players far to long at the expense of top prospects. For the second year in a row, the bullpen issues have put them in behind the 8 ball. The money he's wasted could have been better spent on a middle-of-the order bat or a legit closer. He's indecisive on this teams direction. If he wanted more slug in the lineup, he should have kept Schwarber and Contreras or at least got something in return for them. He still doesn't know if Cassie, Shaw, Ballesteros, etc. can produce at the ML level. He appears like he's already decided that Mervis and Canario can't cut it so why waste the roster spots. The Dodgers did right by Busch and traded him because he was blocked. Hoyer needs to do the same for those two. As far as trades, he hasn't made many since he moved Bryant, Rizzo and Baez. The trade for Busch was good but the Cuas, Kimbrel and Candelario trades didn't pan out. I can't say he's done well on major transactions because the Cubs record doesn't reflect it. With the payroll and farm system he has at his disposal, this team should be competing for the division title. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it too.
The whole Mervis fiasco last year really did him in.
He's too afraid of calling up his prospects and letting them play, afraid they'll show that they aren't ready for the majors.
But he doesn't want to see any of his prospects go out and prosper some where else.
He hangs on to under-performing players for far too long.
He's afraid to spend money on free agents fearing that they will tank.
I really don't have as much of an issue with his bullpen construction as others do. I'm not a fan of throwing a ton of money at your bullpen. But where Hoyer failed was that he's kept his roster so full, afraid to trade any of his prospects or anyone else for that matter, and he didn't have enough optional arms available to begin the season.
Mervis, Madrigal, Canario, and Davis should have been traded this past offseason, if for no other reason than to open up some 40 man roster space for optional bullpen arms. Wisdom probably shouldn't have been resigned, there's another 40 man spot.
I'm not a fan of his lineup construction. It depends on everyone hitting at their averages or slightly above average. There's very little power to carry the offense when struggles happen. When this happens, you get the offense we saw for 2.5 months. Everyone struggled and NOBODY could drive in any runs. Sprinkle a little bit more power throughout the lineup and hopefully someone runs into one with men on base to score runs.
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Post by chubbycub on Jul 23, 2024 18:19:20 GMT -5
I prefer the Cubs somehow, someway trade Bellinger and than Taillon to clear payroll next year and fire Hoyer as he has proven he can't win without Epstein and let another POBO tackle the off-season. I don't think that will be the case though as I think Hoyer will be around for 25 and will just trade one of or all of Neris, Smyly, Leiter depending upon how the Brewers and next series wraps up. The main goal will be ofc the luxury tax and assured of being under it. I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good. So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction.
We don't know how much they disagree or if Jed overrides the GM simply because of the heirarchy, but if there is a conflict like that going on, the GM sure as hell isn't going to make waves about it so everyone knows who wants a divorce from whom. But as far as ability to evaluate the young players, I think that falls on Hawkins' side of the ledger. When they hired him, we heard about how well he knows the Indians' system but we haven't been poaching talent from them that has showed up on the Cubs. Maybe that's an unwritten rule, I dunno.
Funny how Hendry was the one who caught all the hell as GM, but Hawkins is flying under the radar in the same position.
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Post by cfin on Jul 23, 2024 18:25:38 GMT -5
So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction. The General Manager position of 2024 isn't the same as the General Manager position of 2011. Today, a lot of front offices, the GM is just a title. Most of the decision making goes through the Baseball Operations office. I can't speak for everyone, but when I say dump Hoyer it means to dump Hoyer and Hawkins and pretty much anyone else that's involved in the decision making process in the front office.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 23, 2024 18:32:57 GMT -5
He hangs on to non-productive players far to long at the expense of top prospects. For the second year in a row, the bullpen issues have put them in behind the 8 ball. The money he's wasted could have been better spent on a middle-of-the order bat or a legit closer. He's indecisive on this teams direction. If he wanted more slug in the lineup, he should have kept Schwarber and Contreras or at least got something in return for them. He still doesn't know if Cassie, Shaw, Ballesteros, etc. can produce at the ML level. He appears like he's already decided that Mervis and Canario can't cut it so why waste the roster spots. The Dodgers did right by Busch and traded him because he was blocked. Hoyer needs to do the same for those two. As far as trades, he hasn't made many since he moved Bryant, Rizzo and Baez. The trade for Busch was good but the Cuas, Kimbrel and Candelario trades didn't pan out. I can't say he's done well on major transactions because the Cubs record doesn't reflect it. With the payroll and farm system he has at his disposal, this team should be competing for the division title. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it too.
The whole Mervis fiasco last year really did him in.
He's too afraid of calling up his prospects and letting them play, afraid they'll show that they aren't ready for the majors.
But he doesn't want to see any of his prospects go out and prosper some where else.
He hangs on to under-performing players for far too long.
He's afraid to spend money on free agents fearing that they will tank.
I really don't have as much of an issue with his bullpen construction as others do. I'm not a fan of throwing a ton of money at your bullpen. But where Hoyer failed was that he's kept his roster so full, afraid to trade any of his prospects or anyone else for that matter, and he didn't have enough optional arms available to begin the season.
Mervis, Madrigal, Canario, and Davis should have been traded this past offseason, if for no other reason than to open up some 40 man roster space for optional bullpen arms. Wisdom probably shouldn't have been resigned, there's another 40 man spot.
I'm not a fan of his lineup construction. It depends on everyone hitting at their averages or slightly above average. There's very little power to carry the offense when struggles happen. When this happens, you get the offense we saw for 2.5 months. Everyone struggled and NOBODY could drive in any runs. Sprinkle a little bit more power throughout the lineup and hopefully someone runs into one with men on base to score runs.
I don't agree with not spending on the bullpen if you don't upgrade the offense. One or the other needs significant improvement. The combination of a bad offense and bullpen doesn't work.
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Post by chubbycub on Jul 23, 2024 18:55:58 GMT -5
So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction. The General Manager position of 2024 isn't the same as the General Manager position of 2011. Today, a lot of front offices, the GM is just a title. Most of the decision making goes through the Baseball Operations office. I can't speak for everyone, but when I say dump Hoyer it means to dump Hoyer and Hawkins and pretty much anyone else that's involved in the decision making process in the front office. So, once again...what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? Besides the occasional TV spot with Boog and JD.
I suppose I can research it myownself....but you were so quick to respond, I thought you might know other than saying "It's just different now."
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 23, 2024 18:58:11 GMT -5
I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good. So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction.
We don't know how much they disagree or if Jed overrides the GM simply because of the heirarchy, but if there is a conflict like that going on, the GM sure as hell isn't going to make waves about it so everyone knows who wants a divorce from whom. But as far as ability to evaluate the young players, I think that falls on Hawkins' side of the ledger. When they hired him, we heard about how well he knows the Indians' system but we haven't been poaching talent from them that has showed up on the Cubs. Maybe that's an unwritten rule, I dunno.
Funny how Hendry was the one who caught all the hell as GM, but Hawkins is flying under the radar in the same position.
When it comes to addressing the media, Hoyer takes the lead so that puts the bulls-eye on him. Plus, he's been with the Cubs a lot longer. When it comes to evaluating young talent, the Cubs appear to have some but who has the final say on who gets called up? That remains unanswered. The fact that other teams are willing to bring up their minor league prospects while the Cubs fill the roster with other teams castoffs doesn't sit well with me and I'm guessing others. It's hard to evaluate talent if they don't get the opportunity to play.
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Post by chubbycub on Jul 23, 2024 19:30:19 GMT -5
So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction.
We don't know how much they disagree or if Jed overrides the GM simply because of the heirarchy, but if there is a conflict like that going on, the GM sure as hell isn't going to make waves about it so everyone knows who wants a divorce from whom. But as far as ability to evaluate the young players, I think that falls on Hawkins' side of the ledger. When they hired him, we heard about how well he knows the Indians' system but we haven't been poaching talent from them that has showed up on the Cubs. Maybe that's an unwritten rule, I dunno.
Funny how Hendry was the one who caught all the hell as GM, but Hawkins is flying under the radar in the same position.
When it comes to addressing the media, Hoyer takes the lead so that puts the bulls-eye on him. Plus, he's been with the Cubs a lot longer. When it comes to evaluating young talent, the Cubs appear to have some but who has the final say on who gets called up? That remains unanswered. The fact that other teams are willing to bring up their minor league prospects while the Cubs fill the roster with other teams castoffs doesn't sit well with me and I'm guessing others. It's hard to evaluate talent if they don't get the opportunity to play. I don't think you're being fair about the castoffs. Happ, Hoerner, Amaya, Morel, Suzuki all don't fit that description. Neither does Swanson or Busch. Hell, Busch is a rookie they stole from LA. So he is THEIR prospect that the Cubs are giving a chance to because we had no 1B other than a couple of guys who WERE castoffs last year, and now they are cast off from the Cubs. Happ drafted/ prospect Morel prospect not sure if they drafted him
Hoerner drafted/ prospect Amaya drafted/ prospect
Swanson established talent having an off year Suzuki and Imanaga neither prospects nor castoffs
Who did I miss?
You must be talking about pitching. Or Mastrobuoni. LOL no argument about him as a castoff.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 23, 2024 19:35:24 GMT -5
I've been on the fire Hoyer bandwagon for awhile. I question his ability to evaluate talent and construct a roster. For these reasons, I'm more worried about him making trades because he could do more harm than good. So if Jed is responsible for all that, what the hell does Carter Hawkins do? As I understood the duties of GM, it's to travel and evaluate talent and generally manage the talent coming and going through the system as well as have input on trades at the major league level, maybe even including getting the ball rolling on a known talent for known talent trade. Which is roster construction.
We don't know how much they disagree or if Jed overrides the GM simply because of the heirarchy, but if there is a conflict like that going on, the GM sure as hell isn't going to make waves about it so everyone knows who wants a divorce from whom. But as far as ability to evaluate the young players, I think that falls on Hawkins' side of the ledger. When they hired him, we heard about how well he knows the Indians' system but we haven't been poaching talent from them that has showed up on the Cubs. Maybe that's an unwritten rule, I dunno.
Funny how Hendry was the one who caught all the hell as GM, but Hawkins is flying under the radar in the same position.
Hendry was clearly the guy in charge at the time and the Cubs had one of the smallest front office staffs in all of baseball , so there is the seperation. There was really no President of baseball operations that had anything to do with transactions and building the team then , I think McDonough was the president part of the time Hendry was there but he was not involved in roster construction at all , and no Cubs president of baseball ops were until Theo was hired. Hawkins rarely gets mentioned because we all know/assume everything ends up going through Jed , just like most people didn't really blame and or credit Jed for anything when Theo was here because we all knew it had to go through him.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 23, 2024 19:55:26 GMT -5
Who knows what role Hawkins actually serves? But what we can say is that if Hawkins actually is the problem then Jed still needs to shoulder the blame because he’s the one keeping him around.
Such is the burden of sitting at the head of the table. Regardless of where the issue truly lies Jed bears the blame because he either is the problem or he isn’t removing the problem.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 23, 2024 23:33:06 GMT -5
Hopefully those AL East teams took note of yet another strong Taillon outing.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 24, 2024 4:12:09 GMT -5
When it comes to addressing the media, Hoyer takes the lead so that puts the bulls-eye on him. Plus, he's been with the Cubs a lot longer. When it comes to evaluating young talent, the Cubs appear to have some but who has the final say on who gets called up? That remains unanswered. The fact that other teams are willing to bring up their minor league prospects while the Cubs fill the roster with other teams castoffs doesn't sit well with me and I'm guessing others. It's hard to evaluate talent if they don't get the opportunity to play. I don't think you're being fair about the castoffs. Happ, Hoerner, Amaya, Morel, Suzuki all don't fit that description. Neither does Swanson or Busch. Hell, Busch is a rookie they stole from LA. So he is THEIR prospect that the Cubs are giving a chance to because we had no 1B other than a couple of guys who WERE castoffs last year, and now they are cast off from the Cubs. Happ drafted/ prospect Morel prospect not sure if they drafted him
Hoerner drafted/ prospect Amaya drafted/ prospect
Swanson established talent having an off year Suzuki and Imanaga neither prospects nor castoffs
Who did I miss?
You must be talking about pitching. Or Mastrobuoni. LOL no argument about him as a castoff.
There's more than Mastrobuoni. Mancini, Barnhart, Boxberger and Cooper are still on the payroll. Wisdom, Nido and Tauchman are taking up roster spots. Gomes, Cuas and Lovelady are gone but are still being paid by the Cubs. Players like this are not how you build a team for long-term success. What's also not fair is bringing in marginal players who impede the progress of the players in the Cubs minor league system.
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Post by Mike on Jul 24, 2024 4:38:03 GMT -5
Know how many players on own team have a higher than 10% chance of their At Bats being an XBH? THREE
11.69% Happ 11.00% Busch 10.03% Suzuki ------------- 09.68% Wisdom 08.11% Bote 08.01% Bellinger ---------------- 07.34% Morel 07.12% Swanson 06.98% Hoerner 06.78% Tauchman 06.67% Nido 06.29% PCA
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