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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 24, 2024 8:35:44 GMT -5
Swanson is having an off year? 5 of his 9 season his OPS+ was under 100 (a 6th season was 101). 2024 isn't even the lowest of his career, granted 2017 when he was 23. I don't think Swanson is this bad, but I also don't think he's a career year 114 OPS+ player either. Swanson is somewhere in the 90-99 OPS+ player who plays great defense. Unfortunately he's not playing great defense and making 28 million a year.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 24, 2024 9:23:40 GMT -5
Know how many players on own team have a higher than 10% chance of their At Bats being an XBH? THREE 11.69% Happ 11.00% Busch 10.03% Suzuki ------------- 09.68% Wisdom 08.11% Bote 08.01% Bellinger ---------------- 07.34% Morel 07.12% Swanson 06.98% Hoerner 06.78% Tauchman 06.67% Nido 06.29% PCA That is some fugly shit right there. Oodles of singles can only get you so far.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 24, 2024 9:29:10 GMT -5
Know how many players on own team have a higher than 10% chance of their At Bats being an XBH? THREE 11.69% Happ 11.00% Busch 10.03% Suzuki ------------- 09.68% Wisdom 08.11% Bote 08.01% Bellinger ---------------- 07.34% Morel 07.12% Swanson 06.98% Hoerner 06.78% Tauchman 06.67% Nido 06.29% PCA That is some fugly shit right there. Oodles of singles can only get you so far. Yeah , too bad we aren't even getting that. I know league average this season is only something like .242 but we have regulars hitting .201 .237 .217 .183 .223 and the highest batting avg is .269 so we aren't even getting oodles of singles
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 24, 2024 10:38:28 GMT -5
This may not be realistic but if the Cubs truly felt they could complete next year and the years after they should try and trade for Skubal. Controlled for 2.5 years if not signed to extension.
Cubs supposedly have a great farm and prospects are supposedly blocked, why not land for a true major league talent?
What position does Fat Man play? More than likely DH. Cash in while he is hot and at peak prospect value.
Fat Man, Caissie, and a few others for Skubal.
Sign one of the elite free agents in Burnes or Soto. This would require big market mentality, something Hoyer and Hawkins may not possess.
Scary comp for Morel is that he may be a younger version of Wisdom, most difficult hole to fill next year would be 3b.
Not sure how the Cubs compete next year without bold moves.
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Post by chubbycub on Jul 24, 2024 19:26:39 GMT -5
I don't think you're being fair about the castoffs. Happ, Hoerner, Amaya, Morel, Suzuki all don't fit that description. Neither does Swanson or Busch. Hell, Busch is a rookie they stole from LA. So he is THEIR prospect that the Cubs are giving a chance to because we had no 1B other than a couple of guys who WERE castoffs last year, and now they are cast off from the Cubs. Happ drafted/ prospect Morel prospect not sure if they drafted him
Hoerner drafted/ prospect Amaya drafted/ prospect
Swanson established talent having an off year Suzuki and Imanaga neither prospects nor castoffs
Who did I miss?
You must be talking about pitching. Or Mastrobuoni. LOL no argument about him as a castoff.
There's more than Mastrobuoni. Mancini, Barnhart, Boxberger and Cooper are still on the payroll. Wisdom, Nido and Tauchman are taking up roster spots. Gomes, Cuas and Lovelady are gone but are still being paid by the Cubs. Players like this are not how you build a team for long-term success. What's also not fair is bringing in marginal players who impede the progress of the players in the Cubs minor league system. In the interest of brevity (which some of you hate), I didn't go through the entire 40 man roster and the ghosts of Cubs past still on the payroll.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 25, 2024 13:15:47 GMT -5
Cubs grow balls. Big heavy hairy ones.
Baltimore gets Steele, Hoerner, and Merryweather Cubs get Mayo and Holliday
Baltimore gets a huge boost to their 2024 World Series dreams with an ace to pair alongside Burnes and a stabilizing presence for their infield following the injury to Mateo. Merryweather also gives them a quality relief arm with limited innings on the season.
Yankees get Taillon and Morel Cubs get Jones
Rotation help and a talented but struggling Morel to possibly help their rough 2B/3B production. Jones presents a big time power threat that could slot in across the outfield.
Try and find takers for Bellinger and perhaps one of Happ or Suzuki if you can. Evaluate your rotation needs in the second half and offseason. Offense looks something like:
C Amaya 1B Busch 2B Holliday 3B Shaw/Mayo SS Swanson RF Jones/Caissie CF PCA LF Happ/Suzuki DH Ballesteros/Mayo
Very young and very high potential. At bare minimum it’d be a lot of fun to watch and that’s the most important thing for me. I want watching this game and being a fan of this organization that plays a game to be fun. Not boring with the boring lackadaisical play for these bozos we have now.
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Post by cfin on Jul 25, 2024 13:27:52 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done.
Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger.
These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think.
But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves.
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Post by kfidd on Jul 25, 2024 14:06:52 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done. Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger. These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think. But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves. Dominguez seems too highly ranked a prospect for Taillon and Morel so I didn’t want to bother. Either way I don’t expect either of these to happen, just for fun so didn’t put that much thought into it.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 25, 2024 14:39:23 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done. Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger. These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think. But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves. Sorry but no, Mayo (the 15th. ranked kid in the MLB top 100 with a 55 rating) doesn't cost you Steele, a reliever & Shaw (the 29th. ranked kid in the MLB top 100 with a 55 rating). By himself Steele and his 3-1/2 years of control is an ace that would net you Holliday & another highly ranked MLB top 100 prospect..
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Post by kfidd on Jul 25, 2024 15:08:39 GMT -5
Mason Miller just broke his hand in a non-pitching injury. Oof.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 25, 2024 15:46:38 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done. Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger. These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think. But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves. No way , if you are trading Steele you need more than just Mayo in return. Think of what the Cubs gave up for Quintana, and Q was not as good as Steele. If you are trading Steele in needs to involve Holliday. I like Mayo but hes not rated a whole lot higher than Shaw. The Cubs need to possibly over pay to get the type of player they need but not that much.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 25, 2024 15:52:36 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done. Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger. These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think. But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves. Sorry but no, Mayo (the 15th. ranked kid in the MLB top 100 with a 55 rating) doesn't cost you Steele, a reliever & Shaw (the 29th. ranked kid in the MLB top 100 with a 55 rating). By himself Steele and his 3-1/2 years of control is an ace that would net you Holliday & another highly ranked MLB top 100 prospect.. Damn, I should have read your post before I replied. My feelings exactly.
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Post by cfin on Jul 25, 2024 16:00:27 GMT -5
O's probably aren't going to deal Holliday. I might do just a Steele + (pick any reliever) for Mayo. Might have to throw Shaw in there to get the deal done. Curious as to why you went with Spencer Jones instead of Jasson Dominguez from the Yankees? Dominguez would appear to be major-league ready and he's younger. These moves would really change the complexion of the Cubs roster. The rotation would take a hit, that's for sure. But if the front office is willing to go all in for Burnes in the offseason, you can get the rotation back in short order. And if you really believe in Horton, Brown, and Wicks as quality rotation arms, your rotation may not be as bad you think. But I don't see Hoyer having the balls to make these moves. No way , if you are trading Steele you need more than just Mayo in return. Think of what the Cubs gave up for Quintana, and Q was not as good as Steele. If you are trading Steele in needs to involve Holliday. I like Mayo but hes not rated a whole lot higher than Shaw. The Cubs need to possibly over pay to get the type of player they need but not that much. The days of the Quintana trade are over. Teams value their prospects a lot more than the Cubs did in that trade.
It's all moot anyway, Hoyer is not going to make any moves. But I do think it will be interesting to see what it takes to pry Mayo, Dominguez, and Spencer if they are traded by their teams. I don't think my scenario is that far off.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 25, 2024 17:03:44 GMT -5
Hoyer is not going to do shit, he does not have the balls.
It will be the same boring hopeless team after the deadline with nothing to get excited about, you might see a Tauchman moved and maybe a Neris/Leiter trade but that is it.
Offseason will be just as lame and boring
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Post by trav768 on Jul 25, 2024 17:09:04 GMT -5
Pirates traded minor league outfielder Gilberto Celestino to the Cubs. no word who Cubs sent to the Pirates.
Celestino hit .271 with three home runs and 25 RBIs for Triple A Indianapolis
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Post by cfin on Jul 25, 2024 17:32:49 GMT -5
Pirates traded minor league outfielder Gilberto Celestino to the Cubs. no word who Cubs sent to the Pirates. Celestino hit .271 with three home runs and 25 RBIs for Triple A Indianapolis And y'all said Hoyer had no... had no... MARBLES! HE HAS NO MARBLES!
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Post by trav768 on Jul 25, 2024 17:40:08 GMT -5
Pirates traded minor league outfielder Gilberto Celestino to the Cubs. no word who Cubs sent to the Pirates. Celestino hit .271 with three home runs and 25 RBIs for Triple A Indianapolis And y'all said Hoyer had no... had no... MARBLES! HE HAS NO MARBLES! building for 2025 !
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Post by Clark Street on Jul 25, 2024 17:44:39 GMT -5
Pirates traded minor league outfielder Gilberto Celestino to the Cubs. no word who Cubs sent to the Pirates... Sports Illustrated reports he was traded for cash.
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Post by trav768 on Jul 25, 2024 18:00:28 GMT -5
Orioles and Astros showing Interest in Taillon
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 25, 2024 18:31:02 GMT -5
Orioles and Astros showing Interest in Taillon So cross off Stros and O's as Levine is as competent as Hoyer.
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