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Post by batman66 on Jul 2, 2024 10:35:27 GMT -5
I think the Cubs will sell and I'll stick with my prediction that it's Taillon, Belly and I'll still say Hendricks. I never thought about Nico and I will agree with another poster, probably the most overrated Cub since Theriot  Nico is not having a very good season , but I'm not seeing unless you guys are just talking this season , that he's over rated Last season he was a gold glove winner hit .283 tied for 18th in the league in hitting with a .336 obp .729 ops , not great but not bad stole 43 bases in 50 attempts was a 5.1 WAR player that did not come from D alone , his oWAR was 3.7 and his 2022 numbers were almost the same in all categories |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 10:38:33 GMT -5
I think the Cubs will sell and I'll stick with my prediction that it's Taillon, Belly and I'll still say Hendricks. I never thought about Nico and I will agree with another poster, probably the most overrated Cub since Theriot Not a bad guess, Taillon contract is movable and has 2 years remaining especially in a likely seller trade market. Overall, I keep saying Hoyer needs to take advantage of this deadline to put the Cubs in a better position in 2025 and beyond due to a lack of sellers, the 2024 is a lost cause and got a good amount of prospects that are knocking on the door or getting close so need to make room for them or trade for other team needs. So nobody should be off limits in trade talks including top prospects, if there is a deal to be made that really fills a long term need then do it regardless of the name on back of the jersey. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 2, 2024 10:45:51 GMT -5
I think the Cubs will sell and I'll stick with my prediction that it's Taillon, Belly and I'll still say Hendricks. I never thought about Nico and I will agree with another poster, probably the most overrated Cub since Theriot Not a bad guess, Taillon contract is movable and has 2 years remaining especially in a likely seller trade market. Overall, I keep saying Hoyer needs to take advantage of this deadline to put the Cubs in a better position in 2025 and beyond due to a lack of sellers, the 2024 is a lost cause and got a good amount of prospects that are knocking on the door or getting close so need to make room for them or trade for other team needs. So nobody should be off limits in trade talks including top prospects, if there is a deal to be made that really fills a long term need then do it regardless of the name on back of the jersey. I'm not against selling those guys like Taillon who could still be a big part of the 2025 team , but only if it brings somebody like Mayo who is near ready and fills a big need or a catcher. We don't need any more A ball infielders or OF's or lottery ticket prospects that are more suited to be DH's than hold down one of the problem areas in the system. They should strictly be targeting the future 3b and or catcher , which are clearly the two weak spots right now, and two weak spots in the system. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 10:48:57 GMT -5
I think the Cubs will sell and I'll stick with my prediction that it's Taillon, Belly and I'll still say Hendricks. I never thought about Nico and I will agree with another poster, probably the most overrated Cub since Theriot Nico is not having a very good season , but I'm not seeing unless you guys are just talking this season , that he's over rated Last season he was a gold glove winner hit .283 tied for 18th in the league in hitting with a .336 obp .729 ops , not great but not bad stole 43 bases in 50 attempts was a 5.1 WAR player that did not come from D alone , his oWAR was 3.7 and his 2022 numbers were almost the same in all categories Yeah.. Nico is having a overall tough season as I think that has more to do with bulking up to much and trying to hit with more power which is just not him, also playing through a broken hand for some reason does not help either. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 11:08:38 GMT -5
Not a bad guess, Taillon contract is movable and has 2 years remaining especially in a likely seller trade market. Overall, I keep saying Hoyer needs to take advantage of this deadline to put the Cubs in a better position in 2025 and beyond due to a lack of sellers, the 2024 is a lost cause and got a good amount of prospects that are knocking on the door or getting close so need to make room for them or trade for other team needs. So nobody should be off limits in trade talks including top prospects, if there is a deal to be made that really fills a long term need then do it regardless of the name on back of the jersey. I'm not against selling those guys like Taillon who could still be a big part of the 2025 team , but only if it brings somebody like Mayo who is near ready and fills a big need or a catcher. We don't need any more A ball infielders or OF's or lottery ticket prospects that are more suited to be DH's than hold down one of the problem areas in the system. They should strictly be targeting the future 3b and or catcher , which are clearly the two weak spots right now, and two weak spots in the system. 100% agree! I only trade a Taillon if you can get a Mayo type in return, there is no need to trade him otherwise, as the goal is to try to contend in 2025 again. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 2, 2024 11:51:13 GMT -5
I think the Cubs will sell and I'll stick with my prediction that it's Taillon, Belly and I'll still say Hendricks. I never thought about Nico and I will agree with another poster, probably the most overrated Cub since Theriot Nico is not having a very good season , but I'm not seeing unless you guys are just talking this season , that he's over rated Last season he was a gold glove winner hit .283 tied for 18th in the league in hitting with a .336 obp .729 ops , not great but not bad stole 43 bases in 50 attempts was a 5.1 WAR player that did not come from D alone , his oWAR was 3.7 and his 2022 numbers were almost the same in all categories Maybe overrated is a strong word since he actually doesn't get too much recognition as a player, just kind of plays quietly with some good glove saves here and there.... I think where the overrated context comes from is he's never talked about as a player to be replaced or traded. Maybe because he's doing what the reputation of 2B does. Not much power, decent glove (though his is really good) and just contact here and there. His wRC+ for his career is exactly 100, which is league average. He's def a strange player to understand. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 2, 2024 12:17:50 GMT -5
If the Cubs are going to move Shaw to 2b, Shaw is my favorite prospect in the system right now to be elite at the MLB level, then I'm all for Mayo, I just don't think Taillon gets it done. As a matter of fact, I don't think the O's have any intention of moving Mayo, regardless of how much talent they have in their system.
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Post by cfin on Jul 2, 2024 12:39:12 GMT -5
I'm not against selling those guys like Taillon who could still be a big part of the 2025 team , but only if it brings somebody like Mayo who is near ready and fills a big need or a catcher. We don't need any more A ball infielders or OF's or lottery ticket prospects that are more suited to be DH's than hold down one of the problem areas in the system. They should strictly be targeting the future 3b and or catcher , which are clearly the two weak spots right now, and two weak spots in the system. 100% agree! I only trade a Taillon if you can get a Mayo type in return, there is no need to trade him otherwise, as the goal is to try to contend in 2025 again. To get Mayo, you're looking at trading Steele, not Taillon - which I'm not necessarily against.
I'm just not sure if I'm sold on Mayo at 3B.
I don't think Taillon has as much value as you think. Hoerner and Steele are the only players I see having any value. Busch has value, but you're not trading him. Imanaga has value, but I don't think you're trading him either.
Assad, Taillon, and Morel have some limited value, but it's not going to be a lot.
Everyone else, if you move them, you're just moving them to get out of the contract or to make room for someone else.
Miller might have value, you won't get a lot, but he could be one of the better middle-man arms on the market.
I'm really more of the thought of trading players to get out from their contracts and create room for others already knocking on the door from the minors. But if you can get a player like Mayo (ideally one with a better thought of sticking at 3B) then you have to think long and hard about making that trade.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 13:13:14 GMT -5
If the Cubs are going to move Shaw to 2b, Shaw is my favorite prospect in the system right now to be elite at the MLB level, then I'm all for Mayo, I just don't think Taillon gets it done. As a matter of fact, I don't think the O's have any intention of moving Mayo, regardless of how much talent they have in their system. The Price tag will be Steele, The Orioles are going to want a impact arm with team control to move Mayo. If the Cubs do this, they better have their big boy pants on to do whatever it takes to sign Corbin Burnes in the offseason or a new gapping hole will be created with the loss of Steele. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 13:16:43 GMT -5
100% agree! I only trade a Taillon if you can get a Mayo type in return, there is no need to trade him otherwise, as the goal is to try to contend in 2025 again. To get Mayo, you're looking at trading Steele, not Taillon - which I'm not necessarily against.
I'm just not sure if I'm sold on Mayo at 3B.
I don't think Taillon has as much value as you think. Hoerner and Steele are the only players I see having any value. Busch has value, but you're not trading him. Imanaga has value, but I don't think you're trading him either.
Assad, Taillon, and Morel have some limited value, but it's not going to be a lot.
Everyone else, if you move them, you're just moving them to get out of the contract or to make room for someone else.
Miller might have value, you won't get a lot, but he could be one of the better middle-man arms on the market.
I'm really more of the thought of trading players to get out from their contracts and create room for others already knocking on the door from the minors. But if you can get a player like Mayo (ideally one with a better thought of sticking at 3B) then you have to think long and hard about making that trade.
Mayo defense actually has been getting better at 3B, he will never be a gold glover over there but he could get to Kris Bryant level which is not great but good enough. |
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Post by kfidd on Jul 2, 2024 13:32:39 GMT -5
Another potential suitor for Bellinger (or maybe even Happ?) could be Seattle. Similar to the first half of last season they’ve gotten strong pitching but abysmal offense. Their same needs apply here, they’d love to add some high contact lefty hitting, preferably to slot in the middle of their lineup.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 2, 2024 13:44:12 GMT -5
100% agree! I only trade a Taillon if you can get a Mayo type in return, there is no need to trade him otherwise, as the goal is to try to contend in 2025 again. To get Mayo, you're looking at trading Steele, not Taillon - which I'm not necessarily against.
I'm just not sure if I'm sold on Mayo at 3B.
I don't think Taillon has as much value as you think. Hoerner and Steele are the only players I see having any value. Busch has value, but you're not trading him. Imanaga has value, but I don't think you're trading him either.
Assad, Taillon, and Morel have some limited value, but it's not going to be a lot.
Everyone else, if you move them, you're just moving them to get out of the contract or to make room for someone else.
Miller might have value, you won't get a lot, but he could be one of the better middle-man arms on the market.
I'm really more of the thought of trading players to get out from their contracts and create room for others already knocking on the door from the minors. But if you can get a player like Mayo (ideally one with a better thought of sticking at 3B) then you have to think long and hard about making that trade.
To get Mayo I'd imagine it would be a larger deal with more players involved and Taillon could be the main pitcher and not have to give up Steele , both teams have a shit ton of good prospects that they could exchange for each others weak spots so it could be multiple players going each way . Taillon knows the AL east and is fairly cheap and under comtrol for 2 seasons which would be enticing to the O's. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 2, 2024 13:52:06 GMT -5
When the bottom of the lineup is Morel, Swanson, PCA, Amaya, Nido and a just released Gomes don't expect much offense. Swanson leads the way with a .217 BA while the rest sit below .200. Hell, 9 of the 20 position players, who were or are on the roster, have a batting average below .200. So much attention is placed on home runs when the focus should be on runs. The Brewers have hit 5 more HRs than the Cubs yet have scored 65 more runs than the Cubs. Add in the fact that the Brewers have a better bullpen and you can see why they are in 1st and the Cubs are in last place. There are multiple ways to build an effective offense. I think the best ones have a reasonably balanced attack but generally speaking have one particularly strong identifier of some sort. The Brewers offense is built on contact and speed. They have several young burners on the basepaths who are looking to simply put the ball in play and run it out. They effectively have high slugging because of this A single is an easy double or even triple for some of them (2nd in baseball with 119 stolen bases). The Cubs aren’t built this way. They don’t have that blazing team speed. In fact their burners (Hoerner and PCA) are both performing subpar at the plate with poor on base percentages so they can’t maximize that blazing speed. The argument that the team needs more power is hard to deny when they currently are 25th in slugging and 19th in home runs. More of everything is needed with this team. More power, more contact, more on base. But the beginning of the solution has to come from the heart of the order. Contact and speed makes for great table setters but power then has to be present to drive them in. The power would increase with better contact as would run production. When you look at Judge, Ohtani and Soto, they also have high batting averages. The Cubs were 6th, in MLB, in runs scored in 2023. They also had respectable batting averages. This season, we are seeing major drops in batting averages up and down the lineup and a major drop in run production. Last year, the Cubs scored 819 runs. This season, they are on pace to score 661 runs. This is a failed attempt by the Cubs front office to get Juan Soto production out of Cub hitters, instead of going out and getting a Juan Soto to compliment the lineup. |
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jul 2, 2024 14:32:22 GMT -5
Justin Steele has 3 arbitration years left. Javier Assed doesn't reach his first arbitration year until 2026. If Jed trades either one of them he needs to be fired immediately. I would consider Taillon but only if I'm blown away. Or does Jed not want to compete in '25?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 2, 2024 14:54:05 GMT -5
Justin Steele has 3 arbitration years left. Javier Assed doesn't reach his first arbitration year until 2026. If Jed trades either one of them he needs to be fired immediately. I would consider Taillon but only if I'm blown away. Or does Jed not want to compete in '25? Absolutely 100%... The Cubs have been starving for their own pitching prospects to produce and now that they do, with control, I don't want either of them going anywhere. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 2, 2024 15:31:15 GMT -5
To get Mayo, you're looking at trading Steele, not Taillon - which I'm not necessarily against.
I'm just not sure if I'm sold on Mayo at 3B.
I don't think Taillon has as much value as you think. Hoerner and Steele are the only players I see having any value. Busch has value, but you're not trading him. Imanaga has value, but I don't think you're trading him either.
Assad, Taillon, and Morel have some limited value, but it's not going to be a lot.
Everyone else, if you move them, you're just moving them to get out of the contract or to make room for someone else.
Miller might have value, you won't get a lot, but he could be one of the better middle-man arms on the market.
I'm really more of the thought of trading players to get out from their contracts and create room for others already knocking on the door from the minors. But if you can get a player like Mayo (ideally one with a better thought of sticking at 3B) then you have to think long and hard about making that trade.
To get Mayo I'd imagine it would be a larger deal with more players involved and Taillon could be the main pitcher and not have to give up Steele , both teams have a shit ton of good prospects that they could exchange for each others weak spots so it could be multiple players going each way . Taillon knows the AL east and is fairly cheap and under comtrol for 2 seasons which would be enticing to the O's. Maybe a 3 team trade with Orioles and A's can do the trick? Cubs get Mayo and Langliers Orioles can Get Mason Miller, Taillon and Tauchman (Those 3 guys fill the 3 biggest needs) and both Cubs and O's send good amount of top prospects to the A's. Every team fills needs that help them all long term. At the same time, the Orioles can just package Mayo to get Mason Miller from the A's easily too. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 2, 2024 15:47:10 GMT -5
If the Cubs are going to move Shaw to 2b, Shaw is my favorite prospect in the system right now to be elite at the MLB level, then I'm all for Mayo, I just don't think Taillon gets it done. As a matter of fact, I don't think the O's have any intention of moving Mayo, regardless of how much talent they have in their system. Where are they going to play Mayo though? They could use pitching more than another corner IF I'm not saying Taillon alone would get them Mayo , I'm thinking package deal with others thrown in , mainly prospects since both farms are pretty deep at certain spots and weak at others. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 2, 2024 15:50:32 GMT -5
Justin Steele has 3 arbitration years left. Javier Assed doesn't reach his first arbitration year until 2026. If Jed trades either one of them he needs to be fired immediately. I would consider Taillon but only if I'm blown away. Or does Jed not want to compete in '25? there is no way he trades Steele or Assad , and I doubt Taillon , but it's possible if the gets something that's a long term need. 2024 Did not go as planned, but he's not going to take another step backwards on purpose. He may be on a bit of thin ice after this season as it is. Rickets wasn't thrilled with missing the playoffs in a transition year, he's certainly not going to be happy doing it in one they thought they could make it. |
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Post by Mike on Jul 2, 2024 16:01:19 GMT -5
If you acquire Mayo, you're signaling to Morel that the experiment is over... so you include Morel in a deal with a starting pitcher (Assad, maybe-Steele has too much value), he could potentially replace Santander's role (FA 2025) for 2025+ if the O's were so inclined to do so. If you are including Steele, then we'd have to get Povich back as a 1-for-1 lefty starter, even though he's a 5. If it's Steele and Morel for Mayo and Povich, it's seems like O's would need to kick in a lottery ticket or #30 Billy Cook for Matt Mervis.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 2, 2024 16:08:57 GMT -5
Justin Steele has 3 arbitration years left. Javier Assed doesn't reach his first arbitration year until 2026. If Jed trades either one of them he needs to be fired immediately. I would consider Taillon but only if I'm blown away. Or does Jed not want to compete in '25? there is no way he trades Steele or Assad , and I doubt Taillon , but it's possible if the gets something that's a long term need. 2024 Did not go as planned, but he's not going to take another step backwards on purpose. He may be on a bit of thin ice after this season as it is. Rickets wasn't thrilled with missing the playoffs in a transition year, he's certainly not going to be happy doing it in one they thought they could make it. The thought of Hoyer making desperation moves to save his job scares me. He needs to cut the dead weight on this team and bring up players from the minor league system. |
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