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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 12:24:54 GMT -5
Found this a few minutes ago , not the greatest source though
“Stroman is virtually begging the Cubs to sit down at the negotiating table, but the Cubs have yet to engage. That will change. The Cubs plan to talk to him before Aug. 1 to see how much money he’s seeking. If they can’t reach an agreement, they’ll have no choice but to trade him knowing that teams will be clamoring for him at the trade deadline,” Nightengale wrote.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:03:35 GMT -5
"We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded. For context, here's a full response from Stro: Q: Would you listen if Hoyer came to you at some point this season? A: "Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing. It's talking in circles. There's nothing. I know how this works and how narratives start to be created from the top down. And how they can push narratives. And how they can kind of put the player against the team. I'm not going to allow that to happen." WOW!!! Like I said, "from the top down", Stro knows where this is coming from (Tommy). That last part of his response is eye opening to me. Why is he saying that? Wait, what ? You said "We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." <<I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded.>> Would the Cubs saying not right at this time be a response to you ? Would be to me and I'm guessing most others. No, that's what kfidd said. The way I'm understanding Stroman is that the Cubs aren't even responding, it's confusing, but his statement still is his statement in regards to creating a narrative. I'm sorry, but he's not just saying that to say it.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:06:52 GMT -5
Found this a few minutes ago , not the greatest source though “Stroman is virtually begging the Cubs to sit down at the negotiating table, but the Cubs have yet to engage. That will change. The Cubs plan to talk to him before Aug. 1 to see how much money he’s seeking. If they can’t reach an agreement, they’ll have no choice but to trade him knowing that teams will be clamoring for him at the trade deadline,” Nightengale wrote. Good ole Bobby, Stro is begging now? Wow.... I prefer the quote that comes directly from the player vs someone in the media. I think the Cubs want to trade him, but Stro putting it out there and him creating the narrative before the Cubs can may force the Cubs to actually consider an extension. Let's be honest, trading Stro for prospects, IMO, tells me the Cubs aren't ready to contend yet and are again stock piling future assets.... 2025+ for me, I've always held that stance.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 14:13:05 GMT -5
Wait, what ? You said "We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." <<I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded.>> Would the Cubs saying not right at this time be a response to you ? Would be to me and I'm guessing most others. No, that's what kfidd said. The way I'm understanding Stroman is that the Cubs aren't even responding, it's confusing, but his statement still is his statement in regards to creating a narrative. I'm sorry, but he's not just saying that to say it. I'm pretty sure Stroman said "the Cubs were not interested in exploring it now" that's a response , is it not ? and "it now" could mean not right now , it's not him saying they are not interested in exploring it period, it's not them not responding . So to me, that doesn't mean they just ignored it with no response, not sure how you are getting that out of it. Straight off his twitter My agent and I made multiple attempts to engage them on an extension. Club wasn’t interested in exploring it now. Will see how it plays out! Love everything about the @cubs organization!
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:17:16 GMT -5
"Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing."
Semantics I guess.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 14:19:14 GMT -5
Found this a few minutes ago , not the greatest source though “Stroman is virtually begging the Cubs to sit down at the negotiating table, but the Cubs have yet to engage. That will change. The Cubs plan to talk to him before Aug. 1 to see how much money he’s seeking. If they can’t reach an agreement, they’ll have no choice but to trade him knowing that teams will be clamoring for him at the trade deadline,” Nightengale wrote. Good ole Bobby, Stro is begging now? Wow.... I prefer the quote that comes directly from the player vs someone in the media. I think the Cubs want to trade him, but Stro putting it out there and him creating the narrative before the Cubs can may force the Cubs to actually consider an extension. Let's be honest, trading Stro for prospects, IMO, tells me the Cubs aren't ready to contend yet and are again stock piling future assets.... 2025+ for me, I've always held that stance. I prefer the quote from the player as well , and here it is My agent and I made multiple attempts to engage them on an extension. Club wasn’t interested in exploring it now. Will see how it plays out! Love everything about the @cubs organization! How the hell do you get they are not responding out of that ? He flat out says they are not interested in exploring it now. He put the now in there for a reason , he did not say they are not intereted in exploring it at all With that being said , I'm not sure why now would not be a good time for them unless they are not interested and would prefer to trade him. If they do it better fucking be for guys on the cusp of breaking into the majors and for a corner IF . The story also went on to say the Orioles would be a possible destination and they are loaded with prospects.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:19:26 GMT -5
This is my opinion.... Yes, Stro likes it here. I think he likes Jed and the front office. I think the issue is coming from Tommy. I think Tommy is saying no. That's my opinion, because Stroman literally references organizations creating narratives from the top down. I think that's a comment towards Tommy. But again, that's my opinion.
I'm sure you have a different opinion that sides with Tommy and that's ok.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:20:45 GMT -5
"Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing. It's talking in circles. There's nothing. I know how this works and how narratives start to be created from the top down. And how they can push narratives. And how they can kind of put the player against the team. I'm not going to allow that to happen."
I guess you just decided already that this Stroman quote from yesterday is invalid. Ok, cool.... we'll agree to disagree.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 14:25:13 GMT -5
This is my opinion.... Yes, Stro likes it here. I think he likes Jed and the front office. I think the issue is coming from Tommy. I think Tommy is saying no. That's my opinion, because Stroman literally references organizations creating narratives from the top down. I think that's a comment towards Tommy. But again, that's my opinion. I'm sure you have a different opinion that sides with Tommy and that's ok. I'm not siding with "Tommy" I would prefer they extend him and I've been one of the more vocal people on here regarding that for over a month now. And I'm going to be pissed if they don't and I don't care how loaded people say the SP free agent market will be , he's a known commodity who you know can pitch here and he's going to be just as good or better than most guys available to sign. Unless he's asking for 5 years which who knows, he might be since he said he'd like to finish his career here I'm going to be pissed if they show no interest. I don't know what more they could ask for in a signing, he's been great for the team in every way possible other than maybe being to vocal in social media, but that's him , they knew that comes with him when they signed him in the first place.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 14:28:57 GMT -5
"Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing. It's talking in circles. There's nothing. I know how this works and how narratives start to be created from the top down. And how they can push narratives. And how they can kind of put the player against the team. I'm not going to allow that to happen." I guess you just decided already that this Stroman quote from yesterday is invalid. Ok, cool.... we'll agree to disagree. I did not say that , you said they did not respond, that's the debate here. They obviously did if he said they are not interested in exploring IT NOW. 'There has been nothing " that doesn't clearly mean they did not respond at all , but I can see how you can be swayed by that , , it could mean they've made no attempt to open up talks now , No negotiating.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 14:51:53 GMT -5
This is tiring, I'll move to another thread topic, thanks.
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Post by cubbies85 on Jun 12, 2023 15:01:10 GMT -5
Would love to extend Stroman but it would be nice to do the trade for prospects and then resign as well. However since Stro is looking for an extension right now I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate having to uproot his family for a few months on the off chance he comes back. Think if they end up trading he’s gone for good.
Honestly don’t see a path for this team to start competing next year anyways. Was hoping they were a year away after the good off season but the team just doesn’t look promising or even on the verge of something.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 15:06:22 GMT -5
Would love to extend Stroman but it would be nice to do the trade for prospects and then resign as well. However since Stro is looking for an extension right now I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate having to uproot his family for a few months on the off chance he comes back. Think if they end up trading he’s gone for good. Honestly don’t see a path for this team to start competing next year anyways. Was hoping they were a year away after the good off season but the team just doesn’t look promising or even on the verge of something. I'm beginning to back off 2024 being the year they contend as well , too many holes and not enough guys looking ready to fill them. The Canario injury and now Mervis not quite yet looking like the future at 1b and Brennan Davis stalling out at AAA all are a big blow to the momentum I thought they'd start making towards contention.
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Post by rvn11 on Jun 12, 2023 15:18:20 GMT -5
I think the idea of trading a player for prospects and then re-signing in the offseason is a pipedream. Happened once with an underrated Jason Hammel, but never again. Stroman is the type that if you don't show him his due respect he's going to be offended, and it looks like it's trending that way. Fool me once...
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Post by chubbycub on Jun 12, 2023 16:02:31 GMT -5
I'm beginning to back off 2024 being the year they contend as well , too many holes and not enough guys looking ready to fill them. The Canario injury and now Mervis not quite yet looking like the future at 1b and Brennan Davis stalling out at AAA all are a big blow to the momentum I thought they'd start making towards contention. Plenty of momentum busters besides Mervis and his 85ABs against six teams in about a month of service time.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 18:54:54 GMT -5
I'm beginning to back off 2024 being the year they contend as well , too many holes and not enough guys looking ready to fill them. The Canario injury and now Mervis not quite yet looking like the future at 1b and Brennan Davis stalling out at AAA all are a big blow to the momentum I thought they'd start making towards contention. Plenty of momentum busters besides Mervis and his 85ABs against six teams in about a month of service time.
Oh , I didn't mean to blame Mervis, I was just saying if Canario and him made the jump and were hitting anywhere near what they did last season with the Cubs the offense would look a LOT different right now and I think we all expected Davis to be up by now and doing something.
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Post by Clark Street on Jun 13, 2023 14:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by kfidd on Jun 15, 2023 13:23:29 GMT -5
Hoyer comments on Stroman extension talks: “Hoyer’s non-comment on Marcus Stroman’s Twitter urging on contract extension talks: “Honestly, like I talked about a million times, we just don’t talk about those things. Obviously, he made that public. Listen, I love the fact that he wants to be here. We’ve had conversations about it. I’m not going to disclose what we’ve talked about. But there is dialogue. We’ll keep that in-house …. We don’t talk about negotiations outside of our four walls. We talk to the agents and we talk to the players and in this particular case, he tweeted it out, which I guess that changed the dynamic, but it doesn’t change our stance on it, which is we’re just not going to comment. There’s zero benefit for the relationship with them to comment on it and there’s zero benefit from the negotiating stance to comment on it.” www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2023/06/15/jed-hoyer-speaks-central-standing-trade-deadline-stroman-hughes-hendricks-davis/
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Post by batman66 on Jun 15, 2023 13:39:17 GMT -5
Hoyer comments on Stroman extension talks: “Hoyer’s non-comment on Marcus Stroman’s Twitter urging on contract extension talks: “Honestly, like I talked about a million times, we just don’t talk about those things. Obviously, he made that public. Listen, I love the fact that he wants to be here. We’ve had conversations about it. I’m not going to disclose what we’ve talked about. But there is dialogue. We’ll keep that in-house …. We don’t talk about negotiations outside of our four walls. We talk to the agents and we talk to the players and in this particular case, he tweeted it out, which I guess that changed the dynamic, but it doesn’t change our stance on it, which is we’re just not going to comment. There’s zero benefit for the relationship with them to comment on it and there’s zero benefit from the negotiating stance to comment on it.” www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2023/06/15/jed-hoyer-speaks-central-standing-trade-deadline-stroman-hughes-hendricks-davis/I don't know how to take that other than he's not too happy about it and is already tired of being asked about it. But just because that's an organization stance to not talk about it in any aspect , it doesn't have to be the way a player handles it.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 15, 2023 14:21:37 GMT -5
Hoyer comments on Stroman extension talks: “Hoyer’s non-comment on Marcus Stroman’s Twitter urging on contract extension talks: “Honestly, like I talked about a million times, we just don’t talk about those things. Obviously, he made that public. Listen, I love the fact that he wants to be here. We’ve had conversations about it. I’m not going to disclose what we’ve talked about. But there is dialogue. We’ll keep that in-house …. We don’t talk about negotiations outside of our four walls. We talk to the agents and we talk to the players and in this particular case, he tweeted it out, which I guess that changed the dynamic, but it doesn’t change our stance on it, which is we’re just not going to comment. There’s zero benefit for the relationship with them to comment on it and there’s zero benefit from the negotiating stance to comment on it.” www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2023/06/15/jed-hoyer-speaks-central-standing-trade-deadline-stroman-hughes-hendricks-davis/I don't know how to take that other than he's not too happy about it and is already tired of being asked about it. But just because that's an organization stance to not talk about it in any aspect , it doesn't have to be the way a player handles it. Correct. Granted I’m just reading the printed words here and not watching a video or hearing him speak, but I took that the same way: he’s tired of talking about it when this regime’s stance on how they approach mid season discussions has been known rom day one. Behind. Closed. Doors. He might be a bit iffed as well that Stroman went public with it, but I’ll say again that A) this is what Stroman has always done by being very vocal and present on social media so no surprise there and B) I don’t see anything wrong with what he has said. ‘I want to be a Cub, they haven’t engaged yet despite my attempts to do so. I hope I remain a Cub.’ Just bullshitting here and not attempting to put words in mouths or stir the pot, but if ultimately the front office doesn’t like his loud social media personality that’s something they need to factor into their decision because I wouldn’t imagine that changing any time soon. Stroman is who he is.
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