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Post by thisbuds4u on Jun 6, 2023 5:24:20 GMT -5
The Cubs, in 2024, will gain some salary relief from Heyward's contract and I don't see them picking up Hendricks $16 million dollar option. The bad is Mancini, $7 million, and Barnhart, $3.25 million, have player options which I assume they will exercise.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jun 6, 2023 12:14:46 GMT -5
I wonder if we could actually land Kershaw this coming offseason after the dodgers wild anti-christian debacle. Same with Blake Treinen, who also was vocal about the dodgers decision. Treinen has a club option for next season.
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Post by fine09 on Jun 6, 2023 12:50:51 GMT -5
The Cubs, in 2024, will gain some salary relief from Heyward's contract and I don't see them picking up Hendricks $16 million dollar option. The bad is Mancini, $7 million, and Barnhart, $3.25 million, have player options which I assume they will exercise. Kyle has a 2 mil buyout so the difference is 14 million so that might be picked up if he stays healthy & has an ERA right at 4.00 or slightly under. It's possible that Barnhart might get a 2 year offer this winter, I really hope so.. Trey may also get a better short multi year offer but I believe he has to have 350 PA's to be able to opt out.
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Post by irishcubfan on Jun 6, 2023 15:42:10 GMT -5
The Cubs, in 2024, will gain some salary relief from Heyward's contract and I don't see them picking up Hendricks $16 million dollar option. The bad is Mancini, $7 million, and Barnhart, $3.25 million, have player options which I assume they will exercise. Kyle has a 2 mil buyout so the difference is 14 million so that might be picked up if he stays healthy & has an ERA right at 4.00 or slightly under. It's possible that Barnhart might get a 2 year offer this winter, I really hope so.. Trey may also get a better short multi year offer but I believe he has to have 350 PA's to be able to opt out. Barnhardt may get a 2 year offer in the KBO or Japan. No MLB org would give him a straight 2 year contract.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 6, 2023 17:41:17 GMT -5
Barnhardt may get a 2 year offer in the KBO or Japan. No MLB org would give him a straight 2 year contract. Honestly I was surprised to learn that he even got a PLAYER option in his deal here. Perhaps I glanced over that when he was signed in the off-season. Not that his 3.4m hit would be much of a detriment if the Cubs decided to cut him at any point, but was the market really so strong for him that the Cubs needed to sweeten the deal so much?
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Post by TheChico on Jun 6, 2023 17:49:02 GMT -5
Barnhardt may get a 2 year offer in the KBO or Japan. No MLB org would give him a straight 2 year contract. Honestly I was surprised to learn that he even got a PLAYER option in his deal here. Perhaps I glanced over that when he was signed in the off-season. Not that his 3.4m hit would be much of a detriment if the Cubs decided to cut him at any point, but was the market really so strong for him that the Cubs needed to sweeten the deal so much? Player options was likely more to give more payroll CBT room to make other signings to complete the roster for the upcoming season more than anything. The Cubs will have no issue eating Barnhardt salary next season
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Post by Mike on Jun 6, 2023 18:00:02 GMT -5
We're paying Bote to play in AAA right now, that's a little more, even though he has MLB experience and still has high exit velo.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jun 6, 2023 19:53:15 GMT -5
We're paying Bote to play in AAA right now, that's a little more, even though he has MLB experience and still has high exit velo. All these "nickel and dime" contracts start to add up and the majority of them aren't worth the investment. I just believe the money could be put to better use.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 10, 2023 13:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 10, 2023 13:32:00 GMT -5
Cubs will Cub…. So looks like all those former Cubs, regardless of production today, we’re right. Tommy doesn’t want long term deals, he got his ring, it’s all about the money now 🤦🏼♂️
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jun 10, 2023 17:26:31 GMT -5
Cubs not interedted right now per the stro show. Dang. He's one of the guys winning games for us rn.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 11, 2023 10:34:02 GMT -5
Cubs will Cub…. So looks like all those former Cubs, regardless of production today, we’re right. Tommy doesn’t want long term deals, he got his ring, it’s all about the money now 🤦🏼♂️ Why do you lump long term deals with wanting to win a ring together all the time?
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Post by batman66 on Jun 11, 2023 10:36:31 GMT -5
Cubs not interedted right now per the stro show. Dang. He's one of the guys winning games for us rn. I don't get it , he's the type you want around and will need if you are entering a time when you are going to contend. I know they have a lot of young cheap arms in the system so they should be able to come up with a nice rotation but I don't exactly see Taillon as your veteran anchor right now.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 11, 2023 11:03:42 GMT -5
I don’t really understand where people are finding issue with Stroman’s tweet there. Hatred for all things twit/insta/Facebook/meta/whateverelsethereis aside, what did he say? “We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time. I love it here and would like to stay.” That’s pretty much it, so what’s the problem? 🤷♂️
Regarding the extension, it’s June 11th. This is all a process. There is a trade deadline ahead to consider, as well as an active offseason that is heavy on starting pitching talent. The Cubs could leave July with Stroman on the team but no extension and STILL explore that option before he ever hits free agency.
This is all a process and we have no idea what terms the Stroman camp is seeking. Is it 3/60? 5/130? We don’t know, but supposedly the front office does, and there’s a lot to consider to an extension with Stroman right this second that need not be rushed.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 11, 2023 11:10:49 GMT -5
Something regarding the rotation for 2024+, I’ve seen Drew Smyly’s name tossed around a bit. Let’s all not forget that like Stroman, Smyly also has a player opt out after this season. Even Hendricks has a mutual option with buyout. So the only two you can really pencil in right now for next season are Steele and Taillon, while all of Stroman, Smyly, and Hendricks are question marks.
I say this because I forgot about Smyly’s opt out and that could wrench things up a bit if he continues pitching well. But again, this is an incredibly deep FA pitching class ahead. There’s a lot of validity to the idea of shoring up the offense a bit this deadline and leaving free agency for the pitching market. That doesn’t mean “trade Stroman and Smyly and Hendricks to shore up the offense” but rather that the market ahead certainly has a theme to it.
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Post by chubbycub on Jun 11, 2023 13:23:51 GMT -5
I don’t really understand where people are finding issue with Stroman’s tweet there. Hatred for all things twit/insta/Facebook/meta/whateverelsethereis aside, what did he say? “We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time. I love it here and would like to stay.” That’s pretty much it, so what’s the problem? 🤷♂️ Regarding the extension, it’s June 11th. This is all a process. There is a trade deadline ahead to consider, as well as an active offseason that is heavy on starting pitching talent. The Cubs could leave July with Stroman on the team but no extension and STILL explore that option before he ever hits free agency. This is all a process and we have no idea what terms the Stroman camp is seeking. Is it 3/60? 5/130? We don’t know, but supposedly the front office does, and there’s a lot to consider to an extension with Stroman right this second that need not be rushed. If it's 5/130, I would definitely balk.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 9:50:58 GMT -5
Cubs will Cub…. So looks like all those former Cubs, regardless of production today, we’re right. Tommy doesn’t want long term deals, he got his ring, it’s all about the money now 🤦🏼♂️ Why do you lump long term deals with wanting to win a ring together all the time? Because Tommy wants to recoup all the renovation money, which he went over budget by quite a bit, he wants to recoup over the luxury money and also feels like he wants to recoup Jason Heyward money. This is all my opinion, but it sure looks that way.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 12, 2023 10:02:08 GMT -5
I don’t really understand where people are finding issue with Stroman’s tweet there. Hatred for all things twit/insta/Facebook/meta/whateverelsethereis aside, what did he say? “We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time. I love it here and would like to stay.” That’s pretty much it, so what’s the problem? 🤷♂️ Regarding the extension, it’s June 11th. This is all a process. There is a trade deadline ahead to consider, as well as an active offseason that is heavy on starting pitching talent. The Cubs could leave July with Stroman on the team but no extension and STILL explore that option before he ever hits free agency. This is all a process and we have no idea what terms the Stroman camp is seeking. Is it 3/60? 5/130? We don’t know, but supposedly the front office does, and there’s a lot to consider to an extension with Stroman right this second that need not be rushed. "We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded. For context, here's a full response from Stro: Q: Would you listen if Hoyer came to you at some point this season? A: "Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing. It's talking in circles. There's nothing. I know how this works and how narratives start to be created from the top down. And how they can push narratives. And how they can kind of put the player against the team. I'm not going to allow that to happen." WOW!!! Like I said, "from the top down", Stro knows where this is coming from (Tommy). That last part of his response is eye opening to me. Why is he saying that?
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 11:12:44 GMT -5
Why do you lump long term deals with wanting to win a ring together all the time? Because Tommy wants to recoup all the renovation money, which he went over budget by quite a bit, he wants to recoup over the luxury money and also feels like he wants to recoup Jason Heyward money. This is all my opinion, but it sure looks that way. I don't see it that way , they spent more than most teams in the game this winter. I see it more so as he doesn't want to get into the situation they were before where he's going to have to pay luxury tax fines and lose draft picks and pool money on a regular basis by habding out these 300 million mega deals which don't guarantee you shit. Look at SD 280,449 luxury tax payroll right now, 3 more wins than the Cubs current players with 280 , 108, 350, 100 million contracts Mets 3 more wins than the Cubs right now this is no type 377,078 million payroll current players with 3 year 130 , 2 year 88.666 , 341, 102 , 78 , 162 , 75 , but hey, they have the big contracts and big fan base exciting names on their jerseys
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Post by batman66 on Jun 12, 2023 11:15:08 GMT -5
I don’t really understand where people are finding issue with Stroman’s tweet there. Hatred for all things twit/insta/Facebook/meta/whateverelsethereis aside, what did he say? “We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time. I love it here and would like to stay.” That’s pretty much it, so what’s the problem? 🤷♂️ Regarding the extension, it’s June 11th. This is all a process. There is a trade deadline ahead to consider, as well as an active offseason that is heavy on starting pitching talent. The Cubs could leave July with Stroman on the team but no extension and STILL explore that option before he ever hits free agency. This is all a process and we have no idea what terms the Stroman camp is seeking. Is it 3/60? 5/130? We don’t know, but supposedly the front office does, and there’s a lot to consider to an extension with Stroman right this second that need not be rushed. "We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded. For context, here's a full response from Stro: Q: Would you listen if Hoyer came to you at some point this season? A: "Yeah, I'm open. I'm very open. Like I said, there's been NO talks. There's been nothing. It's talking in circles. There's nothing. I know how this works and how narratives start to be created from the top down. And how they can push narratives. And how they can kind of put the player against the team. I'm not going to allow that to happen." WOW!!! Like I said, "from the top down", Stro knows where this is coming from (Tommy). That last part of his response is eye opening to me. Why is he saying that? Wait, what ? You said "We’ve reached out for an extension but the Cubs said not right at this time." <<I don't know, the way I'm understanding it is they never even responded.>> Would the Cubs saying not right at this time be a response to you ? Would be to me and I'm guessing most others.
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