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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 19, 2023 10:05:29 GMT -5
Someone on the radio said Stro will not be picking up that player option. He wants to get paid his last contract and that rumor is he's looking for at least 4 years.
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Post by kfidd on May 19, 2023 10:24:29 GMT -5
Someone on the radio said Stro will not be picking up that player option. He wants to get paid his last contract and that rumor is he's looking for at least 4 years. This shouldn’t surprise anyone. It’s good money to turn down for next season but at what will be his age 33 season he needs to turn a great performance this year into one final juicy contract.
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 10:39:37 GMT -5
Someone on the radio said Stro will not be picking up that player option. He wants to get paid his last contract and that rumor is he's looking for at least 4 years. This shouldn’t surprise anyone. It’s good money to turn down for next season but at what will be his age 33 season he needs to turn a great performance this year into one final juicy contract. I know being a free agent in 2020 and the entire uncertainty with coming off a Covid season in which he opted out and more so the impending lock out that he may have rushed to sign prior to it and took the short deal he's on right now when most people expected him to get more , and the Cubs were in a rebuild and were able to sell him on them. Now that he's been here, seems to love it and they are heading towards contention , he's made it clear he wants to stay so I'm not so sure it's going to be all about money. He's a smart dude and I'm sure will also do well for himself after his playing days so if the Cubs want him , he might not be all that difficult to get signed.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 19, 2023 14:43:08 GMT -5
This shouldn’t surprise anyone. It’s good money to turn down for next season but at what will be his age 33 season he needs to turn a great performance this year into one final juicy contract. I know being a free agent in 2020 and the entire uncertainty with coming off a Covid season in which he opted out and more so the impending lock out that he may have rushed to sign prior to it and took the short deal he's on right now when most people expected him to get more , and the Cubs were in a rebuild and were able to sell him on them. Now that he's been here, seems to love it and they are heading towards contention , he's made it clear he wants to stay so I'm not so sure it's going to be all about money. He's a smart dude and I'm sure will also do well for himself after his playing days so if the Cubs want him , he might not be all that difficult to get signed. I'm sure he will do well after his playing days, but he's not going to do baseball money well. I'm sure he likes it here and wants to be here, he seems genuine to me, but also, he's pitching well enough that a lot of good teams will be interested in him.
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 14:49:27 GMT -5
I know being a free agent in 2020 and the entire uncertainty with coming off a Covid season in which he opted out and more so the impending lock out that he may have rushed to sign prior to it and took the short deal he's on right now when most people expected him to get more , and the Cubs were in a rebuild and were able to sell him on them. Now that he's been here, seems to love it and they are heading towards contention , he's made it clear he wants to stay so I'm not so sure it's going to be all about money. He's a smart dude and I'm sure will also do well for himself after his playing days so if the Cubs want him , he might not be all that difficult to get signed. I'm sure he will do well after his playing days, but he's not going to do baseball money well. I'm sure he likes it here and wants to be here, he seems genuine to me, but also, he's pitching well enough that a lot of good teams will be interested in him. I'm sure there will be a lot of interest . My point was he might be more open to a shorter deal like another 3 year deal than we think since he'd already gone that route with the Cubs before and that was in the midst of a rebuild where they were not an easy sell. Now after being here and experiencing being a Cub and seeing what they are buidling it could be another Happ type scenario where it's not all about money. Happ got a nice AAV but he could have probably doubled that contract on the open market
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 19, 2023 14:56:43 GMT -5
I'm sure he will do well after his playing days, but he's not going to do baseball money well. I'm sure he likes it here and wants to be here, he seems genuine to me, but also, he's pitching well enough that a lot of good teams will be interested in him. I'm sure there will be a lot of interest . My point was he might be more open to a shorter deal like another 3 year deal than we think since he'd already gone that route with the Cubs before and that was in the midst of a rebuild where they were not an easy sell. Now after being here and experiencing being a Cub and seeing what they are buidling it could be another Happ type scenario where it's not all about money. Happ got a nice AAV but he could have probably doubled that contract on the open market If he signs a 3 year deal it's likely because he's not getting longer deals on the open market. We need to stop this thinking that guys always want to stay with the Cubs because it's the Cubs. Literally almost no one stayed with the Cubs and I'm sorry, being 1 game out of of the worst record in the NL isn't really telling of "building". Happ, Swanson and Nico are nice deals, but nothing in the minors at this moment is screaming "future star".... again "at the moment". I think Stro already did the "not all about the money" deal on the first go around.
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 15:10:23 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be a lot of interest . My point was he might be more open to a shorter deal like another 3 year deal than we think since he'd already gone that route with the Cubs before and that was in the midst of a rebuild where they were not an easy sell. Now after being here and experiencing being a Cub and seeing what they are buidling it could be another Happ type scenario where it's not all about money. Happ got a nice AAV but he could have probably doubled that contract on the open market If he signs a 3 year deal it's likely because he's not getting longer deals on the open market. We need to stop this thinking that guys always want to stay with the Cubs because it's the Cubs. Literally almost no one stayed with the Cubs and I'm sorry, being 1 game out of of the worst record in the NL isn't really telling of "building". Happ, Swanson and Nico are nice deals, but nothing in the minors at this moment is screaming "future star".... again "at the moment". I think Stro already did the "not all about the money" deal on the first go around. He flat out said he wants to stay , so this has nothing to do with "thinking" that guys always want to stay because it's the Cubs.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 16:12:26 GMT -5
If he signs a 3 year deal it's likely because he's not getting longer deals on the open market. We need to stop this thinking that guys always want to stay with the Cubs because it's the Cubs. Literally almost no one stayed with the Cubs and I'm sorry, being 1 game out of of the worst record in the NL isn't really telling of "building". Happ, Swanson and Nico are nice deals, but nothing in the minors at this moment is screaming "future star".... again "at the moment". I think Stro already did the "not all about the money" deal on the first go around. He flat out said he wants to stay , so this has nothing to do with "thinking" that guys always want to stay because it's the Cubs. I mean it's all good & well that he wants to stay but it has to be a contract that is beneficial to the team too. We'll be paying him for future production, not past performance.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 19, 2023 16:44:41 GMT -5
If he signs a 3 year deal it's likely because he's not getting longer deals on the open market. We need to stop this thinking that guys always want to stay with the Cubs because it's the Cubs. Literally almost no one stayed with the Cubs and I'm sorry, being 1 game out of of the worst record in the NL isn't really telling of "building". Happ, Swanson and Nico are nice deals, but nothing in the minors at this moment is screaming "future star".... again "at the moment". I think Stro already did the "not all about the money" deal on the first go around. He flat out said he wants to stay , so this has nothing to do with "thinking" that guys always want to stay because it's the Cubs. I never said he didn't want to stay.
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Post by kfidd on May 19, 2023 18:06:29 GMT -5
Stroman likes it here and would like to stay. I don’t think that should be confused as him willing to take any kind of discount to be here. This could be his last chance to cash in and he’s likely the ~4th best starting pitcher in a very competitive free agency for starters. We know how these stories generally are written, these guys want security via years. My guess is if the Cubs are willing to be competitive with a 4-5 year offer Stroman will remain a Cub.
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 18:36:51 GMT -5
He flat out said he wants to stay , so this has nothing to do with "thinking" that guys always want to stay because it's the Cubs. I never said he didn't want to stay. You said this <<We need to stop this thinking that guys always want to stay with the Cubs because it's the Cubs. Literally almost no one stayed with the Cubs and I'm sorry, being 1 game out of of the worst record in the NL isn't really telling of "building". Happ, Swanson and Nico are nice deals, but nothing in the minors at this moment is screaming "future star".... again "at the moment".>> In this case it's not about us thinking that guys want to stay , this is a guy literally saying he wants to stay. "I’ve been open with the front office here, been very vocal that I want to be here and I want an extension, that I don’t want to honestly make it to free agency," Stroman told the Sun-Times. "But I’m also very confident in my abilities in free agency. I’ve always bet on myself." "I truly love everything about this organization," Stroman said. "Being someone who’s [going into] year 10 in the big leagues, I value that. And I love going out into the buzz at Wrigley every time I go out to pitch every fifth day." "The organization top down, how they handle the players, how they handle the families, how they operate, I love everything about it. So, I would love to be a Cub for, honestly, the rest of my career, and sign one more deal and be done."
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 18:43:08 GMT -5
Stroman likes it here and would like to stay. I don’t think that should be confused as him willing to take any kind of discount to be here. This could be his last chance to cash in and he’s likely the ~4th best starting pitcher in a very competitive free agency for starters. We know how these stories generally are written, these guys want security via years. My guess is if the Cubs are willing to be competitive with a 4-5 year offer Stroman will remain a Cub. My point was he already signed a shorter contract to get here than anybody predicted so maybe it's possible now that he's here and loves it that he might do it again. Nobody thought Happ was signing a deal like he did , everybody kept saying he's a union rep, he's not taking any deal under his market value. Happ could have probably doubled his contract in free agency. I'm not saying Stro is an easy sign , it's going to either take years since he said he'd like to be here for the rest of his career , or take a high AAV on a short deal like his current contract. Who knows if the Cubs are even interested with the amount of pitching they have in the system.
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Post by kfidd on May 19, 2023 19:54:38 GMT -5
My point was he already signed a shorter contract to get here than anybody predicted so maybe it's possible now that he's here and loves it that he might do it again. Nobody thought Happ was signing a deal like he did , everybody kept saying he's a union rep, he's not taking any deal under his market value. Happ could have probably doubled his contract in free agency. I'm not saying Stro is an easy sign , it's going to either take years since he said he'd like to be here for the rest of his career , or take a high AAV on a short deal like his current contract. Who knows if the Cubs are even interested with the amount of pitching they have in the system. I get and generally agree with what you are saying. I would probably factor the looming CBA lockout into Stroman’s decision to ink that three year deal. It was still a good deal for him but I remember everyone still being very shocked by the short length of that contract. I wonder if he may have been looking to secure something so he could enjoy his off-season comfortably knowing where he’d be rather than feeling rushed incase those negotiations really dragged out, and he still got something very beneficial to him with a high average dollar amount and 2 year opt out. I’d also think Happ and his situation isn’t the most ideal comp for Stroman possibly accepting a shorter three year deal. Happ definitely wanted to stay here and no doubt he could have gotten a lengthier deal in free agency, but he also will get the chance to enter free agency at age 32 if he so desires. Stroman signing a 3 year deal after opting out puts his next free agency bid at 36. Blah blah blah, yadda yadda. I agree with you fully that the Cubs like Stroman and Stroman likes the Cubs. If there is a will here it should happen, I just think it doesn’t seem likely at anything less than 4 years.
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Post by batman66 on May 19, 2023 20:55:59 GMT -5
My point was he already signed a shorter contract to get here than anybody predicted so maybe it's possible now that he's here and loves it that he might do it again. Nobody thought Happ was signing a deal like he did , everybody kept saying he's a union rep, he's not taking any deal under his market value. Happ could have probably doubled his contract in free agency. I'm not saying Stro is an easy sign , it's going to either take years since he said he'd like to be here for the rest of his career , or take a high AAV on a short deal like his current contract. Who knows if the Cubs are even interested with the amount of pitching they have in the system. I get and generally agree with what you are saying. I would probably factor the looming CBA lockout into Stroman’s decision to ink that three year deal. It was still a good deal for him but I remember everyone still being very shocked by the short length of that contract. I wonder if he may have been looking to secure something so he could enjoy his off-season comfortably knowing where he’d be rather than feeling rushed incase those negotiations really dragged out, and he still got something very beneficial to him with a high average dollar amount and 2 year opt out. I’d also think Happ and his situation isn’t the most ideal comp for Stroman possibly accepting a shorter three year deal. Happ definitely wanted to stay here and no doubt he could have gotten a lengthier deal in free agency, but he also will get the chance to enter free agency at age 32 if he so desires. Stroman signing a 3 year deal after opting out puts his next free agency bid at 36. Blah blah blah, yadda yadda. I agree with you fully that the Cubs like Stroman and Stroman likes the Cubs. If there is a will here it should happen, I just think it doesn’t seem likely at anything less than 4 years. All true and valid points. But one thing that stood out to me was this "I’ve been open with the front office here, been very vocal that I want to be here and I want an extension, that I don’t want to honestly make it to free agency," Stroman told the Sun-Times. "But I’m also very confident in my abilities in free agency. I’ve always bet on myself." Most players would not say they don't want to make it to free agency and I'm sure he knows he could probably do better for himself if he did.
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Post by bryzzobrist on May 21, 2023 0:22:33 GMT -5
Extend Taillon?
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Post by threeandone on May 21, 2023 12:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by bryzzobrist on May 23, 2023 1:32:27 GMT -5
Was hoping someone would bite 🙃
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 23, 2023 3:25:29 GMT -5
Do you mean having pitch him more than 3 innings per start? He may want more money to do that.
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Post by bryzzobrist on May 23, 2023 22:57:20 GMT -5
Do you mean having pitch him more than 3 innings per start? He may want more money to do that. In todays game we dont need more than 3 innings of 8 era ball from Taillon. Its about the intangibles.
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Post by bryzzobrist on May 26, 2023 14:09:11 GMT -5
To think I didn't like Stroman much before he became a Cub. Love the man now. Great teammate and player.
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