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Post by trav768 on Jun 23, 2023 20:56:58 GMT -5
1st trade has went down.
Mets get pitching prospects Coleman Crow and Landon Marceaux.
Angels get Eduardo Escobar. Mets reportedly paying Escobar’s salary down to the $720K league minimum.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 28, 2023 9:28:09 GMT -5
Reports say Scherzer open to waiving no trade clause to the right team. Mets imploding.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 28, 2023 10:06:51 GMT -5
Reports say Scherzer open to waiving no trade clause to the right team. Mets imploding. Mr. Spotlight Steve Cohen said yesterday he’ll be addressing the media before today’s game. If he does his usual shtick and says it like it is it could become very clear what their intentions are here today. They play at 6:10p CST today.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jun 28, 2023 16:13:45 GMT -5
The Mets just the latest team to prove winning the off season means nothing.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 8:44:02 GMT -5
The Mets just the latest team to prove winning the off season means nothing. Season not over, but I'm not sure they won the offseason. All they added was Verlander and Senga. I don't view Quintana as a big signing and they extended Nimmo and Diaz. Their offseason was centered around swooping in and getting Correa and that fell through.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 29, 2023 8:52:03 GMT -5
The Mets just the latest team to prove winning the off season means nothing. Season not over, but I'm not sure they won the offseason. All they added was Verlander and Senga. I don't view Quintana as a big signing and they extended Nimmo and Diaz. Their offseason was centered around swooping in and getting Correa and that fell through. Well that falling through could count as a win for them. Not sure how much his .212 avg .287 obp and .690 ops would be helping them right now.
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Post by TheChico on Jun 29, 2023 11:39:05 GMT -5
Season not over, but I'm not sure they won the offseason. All they added was Verlander and Senga. I don't view Quintana as a big signing and they extended Nimmo and Diaz. Their offseason was centered around swooping in and getting Correa and that fell through. Well that falling through could count as a win for them. Not sure how much his .212 avg .287 obp and .690 ops would be helping them right now. Correa would of not helped much, surprising he is struggling so much but he has been battling a bunch of injuries it seems all year which was a concern with him. Mets lacked depth going into the season especially on the pitching side and it is haunting them big time, they might be top heavy on prospects but after you get past those big name prospects they really don't have much especially on pitching side , so you are counting on guys in there mid 30s and Verlander who is 40 to stay healthy and continue to play in there prime level and those prospects to come up and play like veterans but that did happen.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 12:07:04 GMT -5
Season not over, but I'm not sure they won the offseason. All they added was Verlander and Senga. I don't view Quintana as a big signing and they extended Nimmo and Diaz. Their offseason was centered around swooping in and getting Correa and that fell through. Well that falling through could count as a win for them. Not sure how much his .212 avg .287 obp and .690 ops would be helping them right now. I mean, you can't just take those numbers and plug them in. It doesn't work like that. The Mets have far better protection in their lineup and Correa is still playing GG defense.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 29, 2023 12:32:49 GMT -5
Well that falling through could count as a win for them. Not sure how much his .212 avg .287 obp and .690 ops would be helping them right now. Correa would of not helped much, surprising he is struggling so much but he has been battling a bunch of injuries it seems all year which was a concern with him. Mets lacked depth going into the season especially on the pitching side and it is haunting them big time, they might be top heavy on prospects but after you get past those big name prospects they really don't have much especially on pitching side , so you are counting on guys in there mid 30s and Verlander who is 40 to stay healthy and continue to play in there prime level and those prospects to come up and play like veterans but that did happen. They also never seemed to get the aspect of team chemistry , it's not all about just having big name players that grab you headlines when you aquire them. It's ridiculous, with the penalties they pay for blowing by all levels of the luxury tax, Cohen is literally almost paying half a BILLION to field that team.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 29, 2023 12:44:53 GMT -5
Well that falling through could count as a win for them. Not sure how much his .212 avg .287 obp and .690 ops would be helping them right now. I mean, you can't just take those numbers and plug them in. It doesn't work like that. The Mets have far better protection in their lineup and Correa is still playing GG defense. I know you just can't plug in numbers without looking at the big picture, but he's still not doing well at all , I doubt it magically turns around being plugged into a Met line up , but who knows. Weren't you not so long ago talking about how good the Twins offense will be and that they are stacked ? Nobody is hitting on that team , some brutal averages and OBP's , WOW Buxton .203 / .297 Keppler .198/.271 Larnach .211/.311 Taylor .213/.258 Correa .212/.287 Miranda .220/.275 Vasquez .227/.306 looks like the Cubs dodged a bullet here 1 homer .594 OPS
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Post by kfidd on Jun 29, 2023 13:26:40 GMT -5
I mean, you can't just take those numbers and plug them in. It doesn't work like that. The Mets have far better protection in their lineup and Correa is still playing GG defense. Nobody can predict the future but that also feels like a trap kind of mentality to fall into. I harped and moaned all off-season about the lack of willingness to extend a 3rd year to Abreu, who I dubbed the perfect fit for our offensive needs. He is currently slashing .235/.284/.338 on the season which is even worse than Mancini has performed thus far (.238/.310/.354). Maybe Abreu performs differently if he were a Chicago Cub, but after seeing what I’ve seen at the halfway point in 2023 my time would be verrrrry different if we could do this past offseason all over again. The future is unpredictable and the known data has to account for something. Correa is young enough that he can bounce back from what is only the first three months of a long contract ahead. But right now I’d have to imagine both the Giants and Mets are doing kart wheels knowing they didn’t end up with that deal. Things can change of course, I’m all about sample sizes. Just saying in the moment this looks rough for Correa and the Twins. I think if you are willing to entertain the thought that player X might have performed differently had he remained a Cub than the numbers he put up with the Yankees, specifically last season. This game applies all which ways, and I believes there’s some validity to it, but ultimately I believe you have to use the known information at hand and that info says that Correa and the entire Twins offense has been massively disappointing thus far.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 14:48:21 GMT -5
Correa had a 140 wRC+ last season which was 17th in the MLB (Ohtani was 16th at 142). His fWAR was 7th amongst MLB SS and had he played more than 136 games it would have probably been top 5.
This is a weird season for a lot of players and a lot of teams, Correa is better player than his numbers are showing.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 14:53:55 GMT -5
I mean, you can't just take those numbers and plug them in. It doesn't work like that. The Mets have far better protection in their lineup and Correa is still playing GG defense. I know you just can't plug in numbers without looking at the big picture, but he's still not doing well at all , I doubt it magically turns around being plugged into a Met line up , but who knows. Weren't you not so long ago talking about how good the Twins offense will be and that they are stacked ? Nobody is hitting on that team , some brutal averages and OBP's , WOW Buxton .203 / .297 Keppler .198/.271 Larnach .211/.311 Taylor .213/.258 Correa .212/.287 Miranda .220/.275 Vasquez .227/.306 looks like the Cubs dodged a bullet here 1 homer .594 OPS "Weren't you not so long ago talking about how good the Twins offense will be and that they are stacked ?" Nope, I said their offense was good in 2022 and they were in 1st place in their division until the last month of the season. Look it up. The Twins are 40-42 what are we discussing here? Abd before you trash their division, the Twins are 10-10 vs the AL East this years, which is good considering that division is stacked.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 14:55:29 GMT -5
I mean, you can't just take those numbers and plug them in. It doesn't work like that. The Mets have far better protection in their lineup and Correa is still playing GG defense. Nobody can predict the future but that also feels like a trap kind of mentality to fall into. I harped and moaned all off-season about the lack of willingness to extend a 3rd year to Abreu, who I dubbed the perfect fit for our offensive needs. He is currently slashing .235/.284/.338 on the season which is even worse than Mancini has performed thus far (.238/.310/.354). Maybe Abreu performs differently if he were a Chicago Cub, but after seeing what I’ve seen at the halfway point in 2023 my time would be verrrrry different if we could do this past offseason all over again. The future is unpredictable and the known data has to account for something. Correa is young enough that he can bounce back from what is only the first three months of a long contract ahead. But right now I’d have to imagine both the Giants and Mets are doing kart wheels knowing they didn’t end up with that deal. Things can change of course, I’m all about sample sizes. Just saying in the moment this looks rough for Correa and the Twins. I think if you are willing to entertain the thought that player X might have performed differently had he remained a Cub than the numbers he put up with the Yankees, specifically last season. This game applies all which ways, and I believes there’s some validity to it, but ultimately I believe you have to use the known information at hand and that info says that Correa and the entire Twins offense has been massively disappointing thus far. Well.... Jose Abreu is 36 years old (probably older than that) and Correa is 28, so there's that too, which is a pretty important piece of information since you wanted to compare he 2.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 29, 2023 15:22:31 GMT -5
Nobody can predict the future but that also feels like a trap kind of mentality to fall into. I harped and moaned all off-season about the lack of willingness to extend a 3rd year to Abreu, who I dubbed the perfect fit for our offensive needs. He is currently slashing .235/.284/.338 on the season which is even worse than Mancini has performed thus far (.238/.310/.354). Maybe Abreu performs differently if he were a Chicago Cub, but after seeing what I’ve seen at the halfway point in 2023 my time would be verrrrry different if we could do this past offseason all over again. The future is unpredictable and the known data has to account for something. Correa is young enough that he can bounce back from what is only the first three months of a long contract ahead. But right now I’d have to imagine both the Giants and Mets are doing kart wheels knowing they didn’t end up with that deal. Things can change of course, I’m all about sample sizes. Just saying in the moment this looks rough for Correa and the Twins. I think if you are willing to entertain the thought that player X might have performed differently had he remained a Cub than the numbers he put up with the Yankees, specifically last season. This game applies all which ways, and I believes there’s some validity to it, but ultimately I believe you have to use the known information at hand and that info says that Correa and the entire Twins offense has been massively disappointing thus far. Well.... Jose Abreu is 36 years old (probably older than that) and Correa is 28, so there's that too, which is a pretty important piece of information since you wanted to compare he 2. The point I’m trying to make is that it’s easy to bake into your argument that, “yeah, player X is performing poorly right now, but if he were on team Y that wouldn’t be the case because he’d have so much more protection.” But it’s all hypothetical. Abreu and Correa are obviously not the same player, but they were both pretty darn good last season and are both off to shit 3mo starts in their new contracts. Like I said, I believe Correa is young enough that he can turn these last 3 months into a blip, but Correa also has his own red flags that he still needs to navigate and prove the naysayers wrong on. Anyways, we’re not debating anything here. Just responding that I think that mentality is a bit of a trap. What’s done is done and we’re all in the land of hypothetical now.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 15:26:46 GMT -5
Well.... Jose Abreu is 36 years old (probably older than that) and Correa is 28, so there's that too, which is a pretty important piece of information since you wanted to compare he 2. The point I’m trying to make is that it’s easy to bake into your argument that, “yeah, player X is performing poorly right now, but if he were on team Y that wouldn’t be the case because he’d have so much more protection.” But it’s all hypothetical. Abreu and Correa are obviously not the same player, but they were both pretty darn good last season and are both off to shit 3mo starts in their new contracts. Like I said, I believe Correa is young enough that he can turn these last 3 months into a blip, but Correa also has his own red flags that he still needs to navigate and prove the naysayers wrong on. Anyways, we’re not debating anything here. Just responding that I think that mentality is a bit of a trap. What’s done is done and we’re all in the land of hypothetical now. I didn't say he would be better with the Mets, I actually never said that, nor did I even say he would be helping them. I merely said you can't just plug his numbers in the Mets lineup as if he'd be the same player. Yes, but Abreu being 36 was more likely to fall off the face of the earth more instantly than 28 year old Correa. I don't think it's a good comparison at all.
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Post by kfidd on Jun 29, 2023 15:29:48 GMT -5
The point I’m trying to make is that it’s easy to bake into your argument that, “yeah, player X is performing poorly right now, but if he were on team Y that wouldn’t be the case because he’d have so much more protection.” But it’s all hypothetical. Abreu and Correa are obviously not the same player, but they were both pretty darn good last season and are both off to shit 3mo starts in their new contracts. Like I said, I believe Correa is young enough that he can turn these last 3 months into a blip, but Correa also has his own red flags that he still needs to navigate and prove the naysayers wrong on. Anyways, we’re not debating anything here. Just responding that I think that mentality is a bit of a trap. What’s done is done and we’re all in the land of hypothetical now. I didn't say he would be better with the Mets, I actually never said that, nor did I even say he would be helping them. I merely said you can't just plug his numbers in the Mets lineup as if he'd be the same player. Yes, but Abreu being 36 was more likely to fall off the face of the earth more instantly than 28 year old Correa. I don't think it's a good comparison at all. You’re right, I misread your parent comment here and thought you were saying something else. My bad.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 29, 2023 15:39:40 GMT -5
I didn't say he would be better with the Mets, I actually never said that, nor did I even say he would be helping them. I merely said you can't just plug his numbers in the Mets lineup as if he'd be the same player. Yes, but Abreu being 36 was more likely to fall off the face of the earth more instantly than 28 year old Correa. I don't think it's a good comparison at all. You’re right, I misread your parent comment here and thought you were saying something else. My bad. IMO.... I do think he would be better with the Mets though. I think with Alonso, Lindor and the season Nimmo is having it would help, but we'll never know.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jun 30, 2023 17:27:01 GMT -5
The Rangers announced they’ve acquired Aroldis Chapman from the Royals. Left-hander Cole Ragans and outfield prospect Roni Cabrera are going back to Kansas City in return.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jun 30, 2023 17:56:40 GMT -5
There goes Chapper, dang
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