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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 11:32:49 GMT -5
I'm still not completely sold on the idea that we NEED another bullpen arm. I like Edwards. I like Patton. I think Conception has potential. Let's give these in-da-house options a solid opportunity before overpaying for another team's domestic abusing closer. Let's still think trade, but look a bit toward the future, and see if one of these young gun type starters can be had. Blake Snell might be available from the Rays for the right package. The Twins need help pretty much with their entire ballclub. They might be willing to part with Jose Berrios for a quantity. Francis Martes might be available for quality from the Astros. I agree with Jsnhbe1 that our trade chips need to be used for bigger needs. there's no doubt they need BP help in my mind. i do agree with you on trying some of these young pitchers in some high leverage situations and i imagine they're working their way up to it. i also agree on utilizing big trade chips for a young, cost controlled starter rather than paying for an andrew miller. i have no problem pushing hammel or hendricks to the BP to finish the season and then not bringing hammel back in 2017. if guys like chapman and abad can be had for a reasonable price i'm all for it though. doolittle is too injury prone to risk acquiring.
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jul 1, 2016 11:35:41 GMT -5
Why would you not bring back Hammel for 12 mil? Even if he finishes at 3.25, .75 more than what he's currently at, 3.25 pitchers are getting 20 mil contracts. Hell, 3.75 pitchers are getting north or 12 mil. You bring back Hammel regardless. Even if it's for the purpose of capitalizing on getting a prospect in a trade. 12 mil for that production is a great discount.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 11:43:35 GMT -5
fair point, but i was thinking reallocate that money to the BP rather than flipping hammel for prospects.
i'd take a young starter with true TOR upside over an andrew miller, and spend on some legit BP arms rather than bring back hammel for cheap just to trade him and go with another patchwork BP next year.
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Post by jerm42991 on Jul 1, 2016 12:32:21 GMT -5
fair point, but i was thinking reallocate that money to the BP rather than flipping hammel for prospects. i'd take a young starter with true TOR upside over an andrew miller, and spend on some legit BP arms rather than bring back hammel for cheap just to trade him and go with another patchwork BP next year. What lefit BP arms would you sign this offseason?
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Post by TheNatural on Jul 1, 2016 12:50:17 GMT -5
It's not about who. I think any current prospect is tradable. It's about how much. Kimbrel brought back four prospects. Miller should bring back four even better prospects. Do you really want to give up candelario, vogelbach, happ, and McKinney in one trade? What happens when you go after a starter then and gave up four for a closer. Soler, Torres, and Jimenez might not even get it done in this trade market. And, if it does, then your cupboard is bare after just two trades,one being for a damn reliever. As infuriating as our BP is, I imagine thats why it hasnt been fixed yet. If we rush out we will overpay. Give it a couple weeks and more guys will be available which will lower the cost. Plus it gives us options rather than sinking many guys into one reliever.
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Post by bryzzo4prez on Jul 1, 2016 17:07:17 GMT -5
Yankees and Cubs have been in the heart of trade rumors. Here's what each side is after. Plus a possible backup plan that could help Chicago.
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Hey guys, feel free to check out my article about the Cubs and Yanks talks, plus a different solution. Give me your feed back too if there's anything you have to say! Good or bad is appreciated. The only way I get better is by hearing from you guys. Thanks for your time!
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Post by andrewjm on Jul 6, 2016 19:42:48 GMT -5
Don't forget that the Cubs do have middle infield and outfield prospects that they can trade. Players like Ian Happ, Gleybar Torres, McKinney and Jimenez.
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Post by glenman12 on Jul 6, 2016 20:39:54 GMT -5
i dont see anyone getting traded off the 25 man roster..if Soler wasnt injured he could have been in play though..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 8:52:49 GMT -5
fair point, but i was thinking reallocate that money to the BP rather than flipping hammel for prospects. i'd take a young starter with true TOR upside over an andrew miller, and spend on some legit BP arms rather than bring back hammel for cheap just to trade him and go with another patchwork BP next year. What lefit BP arms would you sign this offseason? i'd make a serious run at chapman with cecil, luebke, and rzepczynski on my short list for lefty specialist. if chapman doesn't sign get 2 of these guys. abad would be a guy i'd look to acquire as a fall back option.
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jul 7, 2016 17:39:03 GMT -5
According to BleacherNation, Miller is indeed their top target. They like Betances too but wouldn't even ask about him thinking it would cost far too much for both. No report in Chapman. Must not care for him as much. I'm sure it's a mixture of several things from character to contract. So, what's it actually going to take to get Miller without giving up Schwarber or Baez, who have been reported off limits. Is Soler even tradable. I can't imagine you can include him. I wouldn't touch him if I were the Yankees GM or any other cold weather city GM with his propensity to not hit in cold weather and continual injuries. So, let's not even throw him in to the trade discussion because that's not currently realistic. It's definitely going to cost you Candelario and Vogelbach. I really don't think that's enough. And, I'm not thinking a lower grade prospect will cut it either. Are you comfortable giving up three highly rated prospects when the Cubs will need to make deadline deals in future seasons, as well as more this season, and still need to acquire a young, controllable starting pitcher via trade at some point? That's a pretty steep price to pay but with every passing bullpen failure I'm warming up to the idea more and more. By late July I'll be driving to the Bronx with a UHaul myself!
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jul 7, 2016 17:58:48 GMT -5
Note: Miller doesn't solve the lefty specialist problem. You're not using Miller in that role. He's stepping into the 8th inning/closer role. Hell be rotating with Rondon based in matchups so that still leaves another trade to be made.
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jul 7, 2016 23:34:29 GMT -5
Four blown for rondon. Three recently. Get miller asap. I'm gassing up the u-haul.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Jul 8, 2016 7:28:39 GMT -5
Theo won't panic. The Cubs need some help right now but it isn't as urgent as fans think. There will be guys like Cahill available. Remember what a boost he was last year and we got him for nothing. The Cubs don't have to keep up the pace they had early, they just have to win their division and get hot in the playoffs. Sure it would be nice to finish with a better record that SF but the goal should just be to right the ship and that can be done with patience and without overpaying.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 8, 2016 8:59:34 GMT -5
Note: Miller doesn't solve the lefty specialist problem. You're not using Miller in that role. He's stepping into the 8th inning/closer role. Hell be rotating with Rondon based in matchups so that still leaves another trade to be made. I'd be asking the Braves what they want for Dario Alverez, did you see this guys stats this season. 9.2 innings 22 strike outs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -5
miller has always been the top target. that info has been out there since early june if not earlier so this doesn't really change much IMO.
i think the yankees will price themselves out of the cubs comfort zone and the cubs will look elsewhere to get the help they need, and that's fine. they don't need miller.
rondon is pressing right now because he's aware of the BP's struggles. get him some help and he will settle down just like last year.
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Post by zegometer on Jul 8, 2016 16:03:01 GMT -5
miller has always been the top target. that info has been out there since early june if not earlier so this doesn't really change much IMO. i think the yankees will price themselves out of the cubs comfort zone and the cubs will look elsewhere to get the help they need, and that's fine. they don't need miller. rondon is pressing right now because he's aware of the BP's struggles. get him some help and he will settle down just like last year. If we do get a true closer, do you think Rondon remains the closer or goes to set up role? I guess it would depend who we get of course...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 16:25:11 GMT -5
miller has always been the top target. that info has been out there since early june if not earlier so this doesn't really change much IMO. i think the yankees will price themselves out of the cubs comfort zone and the cubs will look elsewhere to get the help they need, and that's fine. they don't need miller. rondon is pressing right now because he's aware of the BP's struggles. get him some help and he will settle down just like last year. If we do get a true closer, do you think Rondon remains the closer or goes to set up role? I guess it would depend who we get of course... assuming it's a lefty closer i'd imagine maddon will play the match-ups. i think rondon is a better pitcher when he's not the official closer anyway, so even of they acquire a righty i think mixing it up might not be a bad thing.
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Post by Uncle Gary on Jul 8, 2016 16:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jul 8, 2016 17:25:29 GMT -5
That looks like the fakest, mist unreliable site ever.
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Post by bbuck22 on Jul 8, 2016 17:30:36 GMT -5
Got to do the deal for Soler or Happ
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