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Post by wrigleylax2 on Jun 3, 2016 17:19:22 GMT -5
Been hearing Andrew Miller's name as that "go get him" guy for the deadline and a lot of people saying that LH RP is one of the big needs for this team. With that being said, what do you feel comfortable in giving up for Miller? Owed 9 mil/year through 2018. Yankees might wanna free up that 9mil to possibly make runs at Arrieta and Harper. I would like to answer my own question, but I don't have the slightest idea of what we could give up for this. Vogelbach, McKinney, and a low level pitcher get it done? (I'm awful at this trade idea stuff)
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Post by jsnhbe1 on Jun 3, 2016 17:28:14 GMT -5
Harper's attitude wouldn't fly on the cubs. He will have fun winning but won't be able to flip bats and showboat. Arrieta will be signed. I'd rather have McGee personally.
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Post by breakingbaptist on Jun 3, 2016 17:35:26 GMT -5
Would love Miller. Yanks will want a bunch. Anyone not named Contreras, Almora, Jimenez, Torres and I'm in.
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Post by wrigleylax2 on Jun 3, 2016 17:59:14 GMT -5
Would love Miller. Yanks will want a bunch. Anyone not named Contreras, Almora, Jimenez, Torres and I'm in. Personally I'm adding Cease to that list as well and I agree.
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Post by breakingbaptist on Jun 3, 2016 18:03:33 GMT -5
Yeah. I forget about our very young pitchers. Cease as well. Has as good a chance as anyone in the system to be TOR.
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Post by toddd240 on Jun 3, 2016 18:58:09 GMT -5
Miller still has 2.5 years of controllable contact so there is some value down the road.....at 9 million per, I wonder how much the Cubs would have to give up if they paid all of the salary.
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Post by bbuck22 on Jun 3, 2016 19:01:10 GMT -5
Would love to see them get Miller for the right price.
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Post by dkessinger on Jun 3, 2016 20:22:43 GMT -5
Miller or Chapman.
Vogelbach and Edwards?
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Post by tehmpus on Jun 3, 2016 20:44:49 GMT -5
No way do the Yanks sell him that cheap.
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Post by glenman12 on Jun 3, 2016 20:48:34 GMT -5
No way do the Yanks sell him that cheap. just like theres no way the Nats trade Giolito for Baez..
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Post by tehmpus on Jun 3, 2016 20:52:46 GMT -5
straight up? No.
Who do the Nats have as a shortstop again? Yeah that's right... nobody. It's not as far-fetched a trade idea as you make it seem. Baez has a lot of value.
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Post by glenman12 on Jun 3, 2016 20:58:31 GMT -5
straight up? No. Who do the Nats have as a shortstop again? Yeah that's right... nobody. It's not as far-fetched a trade idea as you make it seem. Baez has a lot of value. IMO he will never be more than he is now..a utility player with some pop..you dont trade the #1 prospect in MLB for a player like that even if he is just part of the deal..cause from your posts he would be the biggest part of the package..
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Post by tehmpus on Jun 3, 2016 21:01:12 GMT -5
Perhaps the trade window has passed. I wouldn't rule it out, but perhaps a different trade target in the same mold is in order at this point.
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Post by wrigleylax2 on Jun 3, 2016 21:58:39 GMT -5
Perhaps the trade window has passed. I wouldn't rule it out, but perhaps a different trade target in the same mold is in order at this point. I'm as big of a Javy fan as their is. I was pitching a tent on my couch watching him make that diving catch the other day and his glove flip and bomb, but the idea that he has the same trade value right now as someone like Giolito or of the same pedigree is ludicrous. TOR arms don't get traded for infielders that are gonna bat 270 even if he can hit 25 bombs a year. Javy facts: 2015 K%: 30.0% 2015 BB%: 5.0% 2015 BABIP: .400 2016 K%: 18.1% 2016 BB%: 2.9% 2016 BABIP: .286 So basically K% dropped 12% which is amazing. I would love a Javy around 18-25% all things considered. But he doesn't walk nearly enough to be probably even an above average hitter at best in this league. His BABIP normalized to closer to league average (.300 is league average so he even has some room to improve). But the startling thing to me is we hear all this talk about his change in approach to be more controlled and making more contact. But is it helping...? Contact Batted Ball Stats (Soft%/Medium%/Hard%) 2015: 7.7/59.6/32.7 2016: 21.3/53.8/25.0 Sorry for the long post, but I was actually looking at this before reading this conversation and thought I would share. Baez may be K'ing less, but he's also walking less and the change in approach is causing (for now at least, EXTREMELY small sample) softer contact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 22:45:12 GMT -5
Harper's attitude wouldn't fly on the cubs. He will have fun winning but won't be able to flip bats and showboat. Arrieta will be signed. I'd rather have McGee personally. I agree. I like McGee over Miller. McGee wwouldn't cost as much as Miller and would be a backup closer option if Rondon falters.
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Post by chifan89 on Jun 3, 2016 23:31:26 GMT -5
I think the lefty from the Rockies is the best option, unless Concepcion can do the job. I thought Doolittle might be a better option than Miller because I didn't want that kind of commitment for a relief pitcher, but Doolittle has a big contract too. For now I'd replace Richards with Concepcion. When Wood falls off because he has nothing I'd just replace him with Edwards. I know people think you need two lefties, but I've always been more of the belief you need skilled pitchers who get people out.
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Post by Uncle Gary on Jun 4, 2016 2:20:55 GMT -5
I think Miller is too expensive two ways. First the Cubs have to sell the farm to get him and then they have to pay him 9 million/ yr when they get him. He looks good on paper but I would rather see a cheaper left handed acquisition
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Post by lu13cubbie on Jun 4, 2016 7:49:44 GMT -5
I think the lefty from the Rockies is the best option, unless Concepcion can do the job. I thought Doolittle might be a better option than Miller because I didn't want that kind of commitment for a relief pitcher, but Doolittle has a big contract too. For now I'd replace Richards with Concepcion. When Wood falls off because he has nothing I'd just replace him with Edwards. I know people think you need two lefties, but I've always been more of the belief you need skilled pitchers who get people out. *** When Wood falls off because he has nothing I'd just replace him with Edwards. *** One thing Wood has over Edwards is a major league track record. It's a pretty good one too,2.66 era, .167 avg. and a .93 whip this year. 4.04, 2.44, 1.27 in his 7 year career. While I hope Edwards makes it to the Cubs, and it's this year, I don't think just dumping Wood to bring up Edwards would be in the best interest of the Cubs.
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Post by chifan89 on Jun 4, 2016 8:46:08 GMT -5
I think the lefty from the Rockies is the best option, unless Concepcion can do the job. I thought Doolittle might be a better option than Miller because I didn't want that kind of commitment for a relief pitcher, but Doolittle has a big contract too. For now I'd replace Richards with Concepcion. When Wood falls off because he has nothing I'd just replace him with Edwards. I know people think you need two lefties, but I've always been more of the belief you need skilled pitchers who get people out. *** When Wood falls off because he has nothing I'd just replace him with Edwards. *** One thing Wood has over Edwards is a major league track record. It's a pretty good one too,2.66 era, .167 avg. and a .93 whip this year. 4.04, 2.44, 1.27 in his 7 year career. While I hope Edwards makes it to the Cubs, and it's this year, I don't think just dumping Wood to bring up Edwards would be in the best interest of the Cubs.
Yeah wood has actually been pretty good this year. Although pretty much anytime they bring him in to face a single lefty he just walks the guy. I don't trust him because he has been so inconsistent throughout his career and his stuff is worse than ever before. Last year in the pen he was dialing it up to mid 90's and now he's hitting upper 80's. He has no breaking ball or off speed pitches. But ever since he lucked out of that bases loaded jam against Milwaukee he has been throwing with more confidence and has been effective. Can he keep it up? We'll see..
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Post by TheNatural on Jun 4, 2016 10:43:20 GMT -5
I think Miller is too expensive two ways. First the Cubs have to sell the farm to get him and then they have to pay him 9 million/ yr when they get him. He looks good on paper but I would rather see a cheaper left handed acquisition This is kind of how I feel about this although there are rumblings that our FO wants Miller. If they go this route who are we to question it. But I do think there will be an abundance of BP help out there at the TDL. Miller will cost us players we may not want to deal and he isnt cheap. I think most of us agree that we need a lefty specialist. You arent going after Miller to be that guy. You are getting him to lock down the 8th nightly. Which means we will still need that lefty specialist anyways. I think there will be good options for a lefty and an 8th inning guy that wont cost as much.
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