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Post by Czarcastic on Nov 13, 2023 17:26:22 GMT -5
I want to dream, and dream big;
2B - Nico LF - Happ DH - Ohtani 1B - Alonso RF - Suzuki SS - Swanson 3B - Morel C - Gomes CF - PCA
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Post by stratos on Nov 14, 2023 21:23:42 GMT -5
Tauchman/Canario CF Hoerner 2B Happ LF Suzuki RF Hoskins/Mervis 1B Morel/Mervis/Hoskins DH Swanson SS Gomes/Amaya C Madrigal/Morel 3B
Nola SP
Could see a trade for Alonso, but Hoskins gives them a year to give Mervis a shot and they can possibly sign Alonso in FA next winter.
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Post by Czarcastic on Nov 15, 2023 17:03:11 GMT -5
Tauchman/Canario CF Hoerner 2B Happ LF Suzuki RF Hoskins/Mervis 1B Morel/Mervis/Hoskins DH Swanson SS Gomes/Amaya C Madrigal/Morel 3B Nola SP Could see a trade for Alonso, but Hoskins gives them a year to give Mervis a shot and they can possibly sign Alonso in FA next winter. Mervis ain't it. Reminds me of Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir. If we're playing Tauchman every day again, we're going to watch another team miss the playoffs.
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Post by trav768 on Nov 15, 2023 18:42:43 GMT -5
no particular order Happ Seiya Hoerner Amaya Swanson Morel PCA Soto
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Post by cfin on Nov 15, 2023 22:06:49 GMT -5
If we're playing Tauchman every day again, we're going to watch another team miss the playoffs. I guess the thinking is, at least when I include Tauchman, is an opening day lineup. I really suspect that PCA will begin the season at AAA. I don't think he stays there too long. And it would be somewhat shocking if Tauchman produces enough to warrant keeping PCA down for very long. I just think Tauchman, as the roster is constructed right now (and he may wind up being non-tendered) gets the benefit of the doubt in terms of opening day centerfield. Maybe a trade happens. Maybe Bellinger and a first baseman are acquired. Maybe PCA shines in spring training and Tauchman doesn't. A lot of variables between now and opening day. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet that PCA opens the season in AAA and Tauchman (maybe a Tauchman/Canario platoon) is your bridge to PCA.
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Post by kfidd on Nov 15, 2023 22:22:36 GMT -5
The whole rookie being on the opening day roster thing could come into play as well. If they are expecting PCA to come up soon enough anyways it seems worth it to have him be there on opening day so they could potentially snag an extra draft pick at the end of the year, should he produce.
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Post by stratos on Nov 16, 2023 1:46:07 GMT -5
Tauchman/Canario CF Hoerner 2B Happ LF Suzuki RF Hoskins/Mervis 1B Morel/Mervis/Hoskins DH Swanson SS Gomes/Amaya C Madrigal/Morel 3B Nola SP Could see a trade for Alonso, but Hoskins gives them a year to give Mervis a shot and they can possibly sign Alonso in FA next winter. Mervis ain't it. Reminds me of Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir. If we're playing Tauchman every day again, we're going to watch another team miss the playoffs. Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir were 28 y/o career minor leaguers when they played on the Cubs in the MLB. They're more comparable to Wisdom/Schwindel. Rizzo hit worse than Mervis in his first 150 PA's. 98 PA's doesn't tell us much. We won't know if he's the next Rizzo or the next bust unless we play him. He's done nothing but hit in the upper minors with good K%, BB%, AVG, and power.
Tauchman certainly isn't my ideal, but it's basically either Tauchman/Canario platoon or Bellinger or a Bader type, and I doubt they bother trading for a CF with PCA in the wings. PCA probably needs another 300-400 PA's in Iowa. I might rather go with Tauchman/Canario on the cheap in CF than pay for a guy like Bader who can't hit and doesn't offer much of anything that PCA doesn't right now, and put that money elsewhere. The Cubs seem to waste several million on 1 WAR players every offseason. No more Mancini's. I don't mind Kiermaier but he's a lefty like PCA.
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Post by lu13cubbie on Nov 16, 2023 8:08:41 GMT -5
I Have a feeling Mervis shines this spring, as he gets an honest and open try out for the 24 man roster. I believe Councel changes up things on how younger players are looked at.
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Post by batman66 on Nov 16, 2023 8:33:31 GMT -5
Tauchman/Canario CF Hoerner 2B Happ LF Suzuki RF Hoskins/Mervis 1B Morel/Mervis/Hoskins DH Swanson SS Gomes/Amaya C Madrigal/Morel 3B Nola SP Could see a trade for Alonso, but Hoskins gives them a year to give Mervis a shot and they can possibly sign Alonso in FA next winter. Mervis ain't it. Reminds me of Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir. If we're playing Tauchman every day again, we're going to watch another team miss the playoffs. I don't know how he can remind you of those guys other than being lefty minor league mashers , they were much older when they got the call. Mervis never got a solid chance to get going , and he wasn't quite as bad as his numbers look, he made a lot of loud outs. He did look a bit like a deer in headlights at times but I think he was really pressing and not used to struggling. He might not be the answer , but he deserves more than a 20 game 90 at bat chance. Tauchman playing as an everyday player, I don't really want to see it , but he's nothing more than a placeholder until PCA is ready and it did not look like he's quite there yet , so we might see him getting a lot of starts until PCA is ready. Even if Tauchman is playing well, when they feel PCA is ready , he's goinng to get called up and doubt he will held down because of Tauchman.
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Post by cfin on Nov 16, 2023 10:44:48 GMT -5
The whole rookie being on the opening day roster thing could come into play as well. If they are expecting PCA to come up soon enough anyways it seems worth it to have him be there on opening day so they could potentially snag an extra draft pick at the end of the year, should he produce. I forgot about that.
But I still think PCA opens the season at AAA. But a monster spring training by PCA and a totally lackluster spring training from Tauchman/Canario, might change things. Although, I just have a hard time putting a lot of stock in spring training numbers, especially on the offensive side. Of course, injuries in spring training may also play a role.
I do expect PCA to get the bulk of the time in CF next season, just not right out of the gate. And that makes signing or trading for a CF stopgap unlikely.
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Post by cfin on Nov 16, 2023 10:52:50 GMT -5
I don't know how he can remind you of those guys other than being lefty minor league mashers , they were much older when they got the call. Mervis never got a solid chance to get going , and he wasn't quite as bad as his numbers look, he made a lot of loud outs. He did look a bit like a deer in headlights at times but I think he was really pressing and not used to struggling. He might not be the answer , but he deserves more than a 20 game 90 at bat chance. Tauchman playing as an everyday player, I don't really want to see it , but he's nothing more than a placeholder until PCA is ready and it did not look like he's quite there yet , so we might see him getting a lot of starts until PCA is ready. Even if Tauchman is playing well, when they feel PCA is ready , he's goinng to get called up and doubt he will held down because of Tauchman. Agree with you on Mervis. Although I was one of Mervis's critics during him time at the major league level last year. He didn't exactly show a lot to warrant more playing time, but I'll also admit that he didn't get a fair shake to determine his viability at the major league level. He did have that deer in headlights look, which Amaya and Canario and even PCA, did not seem to have. And I think that was because of the weight - whether it was placed on him by management, the front office, or fans - of being the "savior" of the offense really got to him (remember Marquee making a big deal about his call up?). Amaya, Canario, and PCA didn't have that. I think calling up PCA at the end of the season, and even though he didn't get a hit, just seeing major league pitching, being able to see how major league pitching is different from minor leagues, having video of that to study in the offseason is going to help him immensely. I think that's what they should have done with Mervis in 2022.
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Post by batman66 on Nov 16, 2023 11:08:37 GMT -5
I don't know how he can remind you of those guys other than being lefty minor league mashers , they were much older when they got the call. Mervis never got a solid chance to get going , and he wasn't quite as bad as his numbers look, he made a lot of loud outs. He did look a bit like a deer in headlights at times but I think he was really pressing and not used to struggling. He might not be the answer , but he deserves more than a 20 game 90 at bat chance. Tauchman playing as an everyday player, I don't really want to see it , but he's nothing more than a placeholder until PCA is ready and it did not look like he's quite there yet , so we might see him getting a lot of starts until PCA is ready. Even if Tauchman is playing well, when they feel PCA is ready , he's goinng to get called up and doubt he will held down because of Tauchman. Agree with you on Mervis. Although I was one of Mervis's critics during him time at the major league level last year. He didn't exactly show a lot to warrant more playing time, but I'll also admit that he didn't get a fair shake to determine his viability at the major league level. He did have that deer in headlights look, which Amaya and Canario and even PCA, did not seem to have. And I think that was because of the weight - whether it was placed on him by management, the front office, or fans - of being the "savior" of the offense really got to him (remember Marquee making a big deal about his call up?). Amaya, Canario, and PCA didn't have that. I think calling up PCA at the end of the season, and even though he didn't get a hit, just seeing major league pitching, being able to see how major league pitching is different from minor leagues, having video of that to study in the offseason is going to help him immensely. I think that's what they should have done with Mervis in 2022. Yep , 100% agree, the time spent up should help PCA, now he got a tatse of the bigs and he knows a bit how he's going to be approached at the major league level and what he needs to work on . And that is exactly what they should have done with Mervis the previous season , plus they could have afforded to let him play everyday, unlike what was done with PCA , they were not trying to win in 2022 and could have kept Mervis in there everyday.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Nov 16, 2023 14:39:11 GMT -5
Bob doesn't like any of the lineups Alternate text: "the price is wrong, b@#$%!"
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Post by bryzzobrist on Nov 17, 2023 1:44:34 GMT -5
Nico Hoerner -2b Ian Happ -lf Pete Alonso -1b Seiya Suzuki -rf Giancarlo Stanton- dh Dansby Swanson -ss Miggy Amaya -c PCA -cf Luis Vazquez / Madrigal -3b
This assumes morel+Jpepitone+thechico to ny mets for pete alonso and a poster to be named later.
Also assumes we pay 6m/yr of giancarlo stantons contract for the next 4 seasons.
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Post by fine09 on Nov 17, 2023 8:18:44 GMT -5
I Have a feeling Mervis shines this spring, as he gets an honest and open try out for the 24 man roster. I believe Councel changes up things on how younger players are looked at. I agree & that NEEDS to happen. No guarantees that they turn in to All stars but let's see what they can really do without the quick hook hanging over their heads in their minds..
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Post by lu13cubbie on Nov 17, 2023 17:13:21 GMT -5
I Have a feeling Mervis shines this spring, as he gets an honest and open try out for the 24 man roster. I believe Councel changes up things on how younger players are looked at. I agree & that NEEDS to happen. No guarantees that they turn in to All stars but let's see what they can really do without the quick hook hanging over their heads in their minds.. Here, Here!!
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Post by Mike on Nov 17, 2023 21:00:07 GMT -5
Wisdom signed for less than arb estimate (speculation) in order to be non non-tendered. Stanton numbers with passable defense at 3B/1B/corner OF for the fraction of the price.
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Post by Czarcastic on Nov 17, 2023 21:05:12 GMT -5
Mervis ain't it. Reminds me of Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir. If we're playing Tauchman every day again, we're going to watch another team miss the playoffs. Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir were 28 y/o career minor leaguers when they played on the Cubs in the MLB. They're more comparable to Wisdom/Schwindel. Rizzo hit worse than Mervis in his first 150 PA's. 98 PA's doesn't tell us much. We won't know if he's the next Rizzo or the next bust unless we play him. He's done nothing but hit in the upper minors with good K%, BB%, AVG, and power.
Tauchman certainly isn't my ideal, but it's basically either Tauchman/Canario platoon or Bellinger or a Bader type, and I doubt they bother trading for a CF with PCA in the wings. PCA probably needs another 300-400 PA's in Iowa. I might rather go with Tauchman/Canario on the cheap in CF than pay for a guy like Bader who can't hit and doesn't offer much of anything that PCA doesn't right now, and put that money elsewhere. The Cubs seem to waste several million on 1 WAR players every offseason. No more Mancini's. I don't mind Kiermaier but he's a lefty like PCA.
More than anything, I'd like to see the Cubs act like the large market team that they are. Pete Alonso is available and the Cubs have the funds/prospects to make it happen. Maybe include Mervis and Morel in that deal.
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Post by fine09 on Nov 17, 2023 21:22:02 GMT -5
Bryan Lahair/Micah Hoffpauir were 28 y/o career minor leaguers when they played on the Cubs in the MLB. They're more comparable to Wisdom/Schwindel. Rizzo hit worse than Mervis in his first 150 PA's. 98 PA's doesn't tell us much. We won't know if he's the next Rizzo or the next bust unless we play him. He's done nothing but hit in the upper minors with good K%, BB%, AVG, and power.
Tauchman certainly isn't my ideal, but it's basically either Tauchman/Canario platoon or Bellinger or a Bader type, and I doubt they bother trading for a CF with PCA in the wings. PCA probably needs another 300-400 PA's in Iowa. I might rather go with Tauchman/Canario on the cheap in CF than pay for a guy like Bader who can't hit and doesn't offer much of anything that PCA doesn't right now, and put that money elsewhere. The Cubs seem to waste several million on 1 WAR players every offseason. No more Mancini's. I don't mind Kiermaier but he's a lefty like PCA.
More than anything, I'd like to see the Cubs act like the large market team that they are. Pete Alonso is available and the Cubs have the funds/prospects to make it happen. Maybe include Mervis and Morel in that deal. No thanks. We’ll just have Wisdom hit 14 points higher in 250 more AB’s & we’ll have his production & we can keep our prospects for an actual deal that helps more than 1 year. Maybe even time it when it can get us to another World Series. That would be much better..
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Post by Czarcastic on Nov 17, 2023 21:32:20 GMT -5
Let me know when Patrick Wisdom has 131 RBI and 40 homers.
They're not in the same universe.
Wisdom is a career .220 hitter. Alonso .251.
One guy is a 4 WAR player, the other 1.5.
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