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Post by batman66 on May 16, 2016 16:25:54 GMT -5
<<I applaud the Rangers for doing this ( plunking Bautista) at the end of the last game these two teams will play. Moving forward this wont escalate. And if Toronto wants to retaliate itll be next year or in the playoffs which would be dumb. IMO this was a very strategic action by Texas. If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive. Then his little bat flip, arrogant action, and stare down did require a plunking. It wasnt a head hunt or heat to the kneecap. It was a new guy ( Bush) trying to win over his peers and putting one in the appropriate plunking area. And they did it while Bautista still had the chance to be the winning run. So stupid act for Bautista again for illegally going for a guys legs in that situation. He had to know he was gonna get rung up for an illegal slide.>>
FINALLY ! Somebody other than me feels the same way. All day on TV all I see are baseball guys on TV ripping the Rangers for doing it when they did and not sooner and using a rookie to do it. Other than putting the tying run on base I thought it was the right time. If you did it in Toronto who knows what would have happened, if you do it earlier in the series you might wake him up, he hasn't exactly been on fire lately.
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Post by TheNatural on May 16, 2016 16:41:45 GMT -5
Im willing to bet Bautista's face wishes he saw this before he tried to play "Big Man"....Yes that is Odor ( one of his many) fights on the field. The kid hits like little Mac! That ones for you SodaPop.
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Post by batman66 on May 16, 2016 17:14:14 GMT -5
Billy Ripken on MLB just made a great point regarding people saying Texas should have retaliated sooner. He said he thinks they played it right because they kept Bautista guessing and were in his head, he was expecting to get hit at some point for the bat flip but they kept it in his head because he probably went up there every at bat this year thinking this is going to be THE time.
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Post by TheNatural on May 16, 2016 17:20:16 GMT -5
Billy Ripken on MLB just made a great point regarding people saying Texas should have retaliated sooner. He said he thinks they played it right because they kept Bautista guessing and were in his head, he was expecting to get hit at some point for the bat flip but they kept it in his head because he probably went up there every at bat this year thinking this is going to be THE time. I didnt even think of that angle but if it worked ( which it must have) then he must have even accepted the fact that he deserved one. Take it and cross home for a crucial run if you want vengeance.
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Post by pablovi on May 16, 2016 18:27:26 GMT -5
It's part of the game of baseball, it could be illegal on baseball, but not in real life. Punching someone it's illegal in real life! Even boxers get thrown in jail for punching someone! What Bautista did would be considered assault "in real life", also. He maliciously went after the fielder with intent. He was upset about being drilled by Bush, a direct result of his showboating during last years playoffs. A drilling was in his future and he should have been expecting it. Bautista and his retaliatory one up manship is at fault. He was called out and he decided that the fiasco wasn't finished yet. Now it is. Or is it..... Would love to see these two teams face each other in the playoffs. If not, wait til next year. Feels good to say that and not be referring to the Cubs. As far as your video example goes, apples and oranges. One incident was within the game, while the other was during the "post game". I do agree what the boxer did was criminal. Sliding is a baseball play, punching someone is not. Two completly different things. Good luck trying to prove someone sliding is assault, on the other hand punching someone is assault! No one can deny that. I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA.
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Post by kyfan on May 16, 2016 18:48:04 GMT -5
Damn, I didn't know Odor had that kind of reputation. He was swinging, and landing, at everyone there. His punch on Bautista was the best I've ever seen in a baseball game. Props to Bautista for not going to the ground, but I think Beltre holding him had something to do with that. That was a helluva blow. I was watching the game when Barrett punched Pierzynski. Wish he could've put some more oomph into it. That prick was universally despised around MLB during that time.
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Post by 1060_West on May 16, 2016 21:34:00 GMT -5
What Bautista did would be considered assault "in real life", also. He maliciously went after the fielder with intent. He was upset about being drilled by Bush, a direct result of his showboating during last years playoffs. A drilling was in his future and he should have been expecting it. Bautista and his retaliatory one up manship is at fault. He was called out and he decided that the fiasco wasn't finished yet. Now it is. Or is it..... Would love to see these two teams face each other in the playoffs. If not, wait til next year. Feels good to say that and not be referring to the Cubs. As far as your video example goes, apples and oranges. One incident was within the game, while the other was during the "post game". I do agree what the boxer did was criminal. Sliding is a baseball play, punching someone is not. Two completly different things. Good luck trying to prove someone sliding is assault, on the other hand punching someone is assault! No one can deny that. I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA. **I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA.** Not sure where you got the idea that I enjoy seeing others punched in the face. I am however, sure that your pass/agg comment above is uncalled for. My point is and always has been that there are consequences for ones actions. Bautista was called out by the Umpire and should have immediately left the field. For whatever reason, decided he was going to be the tough guy. Unfortunately, for him, he chose the wrong guy. Consequences. Should Odor have hit him? Depends. If he felt threatened and that he was defending himself, absolutely. Ultimately, Bautista was the instigator and aggressor in the confrontation.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 8:59:52 GMT -5
Isn't that aggravated assault? Bautista play was a baseball play, but not that punch. If it was, Nolan Ryan would be doing 5-10 in minimum security for what he did to Ventura some years back.
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Post by mel10 on May 17, 2016 9:06:08 GMT -5
Isn't that aggravated assault? Bautista play was a baseball play, but not that punch. If it was, Nolan Ryan would be doing 5-10 in minimum security for what he did to Ventura some years back. Nolan Ryan just gave Ventura some noogies, that's all.
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Post by kyfan on May 17, 2016 13:01:21 GMT -5
^Those punches didn't look like much, but I bet Ventura felt the effects. That old bastard could probably still administer a beating to someone if necessary.
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Post by pablovi on May 17, 2016 20:49:54 GMT -5
Sliding is a baseball play, punching someone is not. Two completly different things. Good luck trying to prove someone sliding is assault, on the other hand punching someone is assault! No one can deny that. I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA. **I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA.** Not sure where you got the idea that I enjoy seeing others punched in the face. I am however, sure that your pass/agg comment above is uncalled for. My point is and always has been that there are consequences for ones actions. Bautista was called out by the Umpire and should have immediately left the field. For whatever reason, decided he was going to be the tough guy. Unfortunately, for him, he chose the wrong guy. Consequences. Should Odor have hit him? Depends. If he felt threatened and that he was defending himself, absolutely. Ultimately, Bautista was the instigator and aggressor in the confrontation. It wasn't specifically about you, just read a bunch of comments saying what Odor did was right, and Bautista had it coming. thankfully the MLB is ethic and gave Odor the most games out.
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Post by 1060_West on May 18, 2016 0:15:45 GMT -5
**I'm sad by all the "baseball" fans that like see someone punched in this forum. That's not baseball. Better go watch boxing, no that's too elegant for you, go watch MMA.** Not sure where you got the idea that I enjoy seeing others punched in the face. I am however, sure that your pass/agg comment above is uncalled for. My point is and always has been that there are consequences for ones actions. Bautista was called out by the Umpire and should have immediately left the field. For whatever reason, decided he was going to be the tough guy. Unfortunately, for him, he chose the wrong guy. Consequences. Should Odor have hit him? Depends. If he felt threatened and that he was defending himself, absolutely. Ultimately, Bautista was the instigator and aggressor in the confrontation. It wasn't specifically about you, just read a bunch of comments saying what Odor did was right, and Bautista had it coming. thankfully the MLB is ethic and gave Odor the most games out. Pablovi, That's cool, no offense taken. Hope I didn't offend you as it was not my intention. Just to clarify, I don't like Bautista and could care less about Odor. As I said yesterday, there are are consequences for your actions. Odor's actions netted him 8 games. Seems fair to me. Bautista should have gotten 2 or 3.
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Post by twa15 on May 18, 2016 10:59:59 GMT -5
"If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive."
I think baseball USED to police itself, but guys have gotten way too soft and sensitive for it. Instead of you get me, I get you back and now it's over, it's now become you get me, I get you, you get me back ,now I get you back, and it's like it never ends. If the plunking was getting back for the bat flip last year, then the it should have been over. Instead, Bautista being too sensitive gets the rangers back again by sliding into second.
Anytime a pitcher pitches inside and hits someone teams automatically assume it was intentional (Arrietta hitting Kang last week) and it sparks the whole cycle. I don't think baseball can police itself anymore because they are so hyper sensitive to everything.
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Post by TheNatural on May 18, 2016 11:20:19 GMT -5
"If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive." I think baseball USED to police itself, but guys have gotten way too soft and sensitive for it. Instead of you get me, I get you back and now it's over, it's now become you get me, I get you, you get me back ,now I get you back, and it's like it never ends. If the plunking was getting back for the bat flip last year, then the it should have been over. Instead, Bautista being too sensitive gets the rangers back again by sliding into second. Anytime a pitcher pitches inside and hits someone teams automatically assume it was intentional (Arrietta hitting Kang last week) and it sparks the whole cycle. I don't think baseball can police itself anymore because they are so hyper sensitive to everything. I completely agree, which is why the league still has to bring down suspensions. Some of their suspension were bullshit but thats what they do. Odor deserves his 8 gamer although had he missed I wonder if it would be less. Or had he let Bautista take the first swing ( which he was rearin up for) would it be less? I dont understand the 3 gamer on the Jays manager. I think thats total nonsense. And I definitely dont understand how Bautista isnt lookin at 2-3 himself.
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Post by 1060_West on May 18, 2016 11:58:34 GMT -5
"If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive." I think baseball USED to police itself, but guys have gotten way too soft and sensitive for it. Instead of you get me, I get you back and now it's over, it's now become you get me, I get you, you get me back ,now I get you back, and it's like it never ends. If the plunking was getting back for the bat flip last year, then the it should have been over. Instead, Bautista being too sensitive gets the rangers back again by sliding into second. Anytime a pitcher pitches inside and hits someone teams automatically assume it was intentional (Arrietta hitting Kang last week) and it sparks the whole cycle. I don't think baseball can police itself anymore because they are so hyper sensitive to everything. I completely agree, which is why the league still has to bring down suspensions. Some of their suspension were bullshit but thats what they do. Odor deserves his 8 gamer although had he missed I wonder if it would be less. Or had he let Bautista take the first swing ( which he was rearin up for) would it be less? I dont understand the 3 gamer on the Jays manager. I think thats total nonsense. And I definitely dont understand how Bautista isnt lookin at 2-3 himself. Gibbons was suspended for returning to the field after being ejected. As far as the slap on the wrist for Bautista is concerned. I'm sure it has something to do with "face of the franchise" vs "repeat offender".
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Post by ddevonb on May 18, 2016 12:09:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some fans think it's OK to be a vigilante. Whether it public life or in sports there are authorities in charge of policing. When individuals do it, it just leads to escalation. Most of us learned when we were kids that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.".
The notion that a pitcher has the right to try to hurt a batter because the batter hurt his feelings or that a batter had the right to hurt a pitcher for the same reason is wrong and immature. These are supposed be grown-ups.
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Post by ddevonb on May 18, 2016 12:13:59 GMT -5
Billy Ripken on MLB just made a great point regarding people saying Texas should have retaliated sooner. He said he thinks they played it right because they kept Bautista guessing and were in his head, he was expecting to get hit at some point for the bat flip but they kept it in his head because he probably went up there every at bat this year thinking this is going to be THE time. Riken did not make a great point. Retaliation is not permitted. Why promote lawlessness? Who got hurt by a bat flip? These guys act like unruly children.
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Post by jerm42991 on May 18, 2016 12:16:55 GMT -5
"If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive." I think baseball USED to police itself, but guys have gotten way too soft and sensitive for it. Instead of you get me, I get you back and now it's over, it's now become you get me, I get you, you get me back ,now I get you back, and it's like it never ends. If the plunking was getting back for the bat flip last year, then the it should have been over. Instead, Bautista being too sensitive gets the rangers back again by sliding into second. Anytime a pitcher pitches inside and hits someone teams automatically assume it was intentional (Arrietta hitting Kang last week) and it sparks the whole cycle. I don't think baseball can police itself anymore because they are so hyper sensitive to everything. I disagree. If this was any year prior to 2016, everyone looks at that slide as a good baseball play. Ask any middle infielder and they will tell you that if a guy gets hit on purpose and there is a double play chance, you better be ready to get out of the way.
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Post by mel10 on May 18, 2016 12:19:28 GMT -5
Jesus, if some folks here are offended by that little scrum, then they need to read up on their baseball history. That was nothing compared to what used to happen back in the day.
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Post by ddevonb on May 18, 2016 12:20:58 GMT -5
"If baseball does truly " police itself" like a lot of players ( including ours) perceive." I think baseball USED to police itself, but guys have gotten way too soft and sensitive for it. Instead of you get me, I get you back and now it's over, it's now become you get me, I get you, you get me back ,now I get you back, and it's like it never ends. If the plunking was getting back for the bat flip last year, then the it should have been over. Instead, Bautista being too sensitive gets the rangers back again by sliding into second. Anytime a pitcher pitches inside and hits someone teams automatically assume it was intentional (Arrietta hitting Kang last week) and it sparks the whole cycle. I don't think baseball can police itself anymore because they are so hyper sensitive to everything. Players never policed themselves. They just exacted revenge until the person getting revenge decides it's enough. The problem is the one taking vengeance virtually always excalates beyounf what the first person does. That lets the more escalations from the other side. A bat flip would be balanced by a fist bump from the pitcher when the strike him out. A bat flip is not balanced by a fastball in the ribs or a punch.
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