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Post by windangit4life on Sept 24, 2021 17:32:41 GMT -5
That wasn't directed at me but I feel compelled to ask: What's with the race card? Maybe the fact that Heyward is a great clubhouse guy and has been around the league and on the Cubs team since 2016 has something to do with suggesting him as a mentor? Since Schwarber was in Chicago BEFORE Heyward, and Happ brought up the year after Heyward, it might be reason for someone else to mentor them and that's why no one mentioned it at the time? Maybe because he is by far the most experienced outfielder on the team? Maybe the poster thinks JH would be a good mentor regardless of his ancestry, ever think of that? Got it... I'm sure that was the case...
This has nothing to do with race but maybe we can sign Johnny Cueto to mentor Braylin Marquez and Correa to help mentor Hernandez and Preciado.
This post officially made it about race. Just sayin.
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Post by trav768 on Sept 24, 2021 17:33:59 GMT -5
ENOUGH WITH RACE STUFF
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Post by sosacorks on Sept 24, 2021 17:50:52 GMT -5
Come on now you can't stop someone's fake virtue signaling. That would just be wrong and of course racist. How else are they supposed to feel better about themselves lol.
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Post by trav768 on Sept 24, 2021 18:13:38 GMT -5
this is about Brennen Davis and nothing more.
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Post by Mike on Sept 24, 2021 18:58:42 GMT -5
this is about Brennen Davis and nothing more. This 👆
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Post by fine09 on Sept 24, 2021 23:13:36 GMT -5
Well he's about 22 years old. If the CBA includes that 29.5 free agency age, shouldn't hurt us too bad there.
Wouldn't work out very well for Frank or Brainpower though, would it?
That 29.5 rule that MLB suggested would have to have some sort of clause where a player would still have to have x amount of years service time.
As it will relate to Davis, regardless of what happens with the next CBA, I don't think the Cubs would manipulate Davis's service time after how they were under the spot light in regards to Kris Bryant's service time manipulation.
I think service time will be pushed back far enough that it will deter further manipulation, possibly to the All-Star break or possibly 81 games while also doing away with "super 2" status. There may be some teams that would continue to resist calling up top prospects but I think most playoff teams would certainly think twice about leaving a top guy in the farm for "extra seasoning".
I don’t see how we can call it “manipulating service time” when teams stay 100% within the CBA’s guidelines. The reason most all of the teams do that is because it is in the teams best interest so it would be mismanaging the teams if they didn’t.. They will undoubtedly deal with this in the CBA but cutting down service time will hurt the small market / low budget teams & I don’t know that they can do that & keep them in the league..
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Post by Mike on Sept 24, 2021 23:18:06 GMT -5
I would have no problem extending Davis to the tune of an Ozzie Albies-type contract (plus inflation). No worries about service time manipulation then!
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Post by batman66 on Sept 26, 2021 18:47:53 GMT -5
I would have no problem extending Davis to the tune of an Ozzie Albies-type contract (plus inflation). No worries about service time manipulation then! Good luck with that , Davis seems like a pretty bright guy.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Sept 26, 2021 19:11:03 GMT -5
Something that could be going on is the organization showing loyalty to those they've extended. We didnt trade or release bote, we didnt even listen to Hendricks trades. Coincidence?
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Post by happtobehere on Sept 27, 2021 3:31:58 GMT -5
That 29.5 rule that MLB suggested would have to have some sort of clause where a player would still have to have x amount of years service time.
As it will relate to Davis, regardless of what happens with the next CBA, I don't think the Cubs would manipulate Davis's service time after how they were under the spot light in regards to Kris Bryant's service time manipulation.
I think service time will be pushed back far enough that it will deter further manipulation, possibly to the All-Star break or possibly 81 games while also doing away with "super 2" status. There may be some teams that would continue to resist calling up top prospects but I think most playoff teams would certainly think twice about leaving a top guy in the farm for "extra seasoning".
I don’t see how we can call it “manipulating service time” when teams stay 100% within the CBA’s guidelines. The reason most all of the teams do that is because it is in the teams best interest so it would be mismanaging the teams if they didn’t.. They will undoubtedly deal with this in the CBA but cutting down service time will hurt the small market / low budget teams & I don’t know that they can do that & keep them in the league.. I disagree because most small market teams MANIPULATE their players service time to prevent super two status, so in other words, small market team already keep their prospects down longer than big market teams so it really won't have a large negative effect on the smaller market teams. Although "super two" fluctuates year to year, it's generally sometime in early June.
So you will actually have a minimal effect on a team like the Rays, who would hold off on promoting a top prospect like Franco to prevent super two status vs. the Cubs who would promote a guy like Bryant sooner, just as long as they could get the extra year of control.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2021 9:51:57 GMT -5
I don’t see how we can call it “manipulating service time” when teams stay 100% within the CBA’s guidelines. The reason most all of the teams do that is because it is in the teams best interest so it would be mismanaging the teams if they didn’t.. They will undoubtedly deal with this in the CBA but cutting down service time will hurt the small market / low budget teams & I don’t know that they can do that & keep them in the league.. I disagree because most small market teams MANIPULATE their players service time to prevent super two status, so in other words, small market team already keep their prospects down longer than big market teams so it really won't have a large negative effect on the smaller market teams. Although "super two" fluctuates year to year, it's generally sometime in early June.
So you will actually have a minimal effect on a team like the Rays, who would hold off on promoting a top prospect like Franco to prevent super two status vs. the Cubs who would promote a guy like Bryant sooner, just as long as they could get the extra year of control.
The Rays still usually trade off everybody before they get into their expensive arb years
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Post by happtobehere on Sept 27, 2021 11:05:38 GMT -5
I disagree because most small market teams MANIPULATE their players service time to prevent super two status, so in other words, small market team already keep their prospects down longer than big market teams so it really won't have a large negative effect on the smaller market teams. Although "super two" fluctuates year to year, it's generally sometime in early June.
So you will actually have a minimal effect on a team like the Rays, who would hold off on promoting a top prospect like Franco to prevent super two status vs. the Cubs who would promote a guy like Bryant sooner, just as long as they could get the extra year of control.
The Rays still usually trade off everybody before they get into their expensive arb years Because they are well ran organization that has a constant influx of young talent (by trading guys off and doing a stellar job at development). And your comment is the case in point isn't it, they hold off on calling up their top prospects to secure three full years at the price they want to pay them (pre arbitration). That is the whole gist of the argument, the Rays hold off to control payroll, as well ran small market teams will do.
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Post by batman66 on Sept 27, 2021 13:34:58 GMT -5
The Rays still usually trade off everybody before they get into their expensive arb years Because they are well ran organization that has a constant influx of young talent (by trading guys off and doing a stellar job at development). And your comment is the case in point isn't it, they hold off on calling up their top prospects to secure three full years at the price they want to pay them (pre arbitration). That is the whole gist of the argument, the Rays hold off to control payroll, as well ran small market teams will do. Yes, my comment was backing you up. They not only hold off on calling them up and they trade them off usually still with multiple years of control in a lot of cases to avoid the higher salary as well as maximize trade value. The Rays probably manipulate it more than any franchise and they do it very well.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Sept 27, 2021 15:20:04 GMT -5
Just sharing something I read to help me understand this super two bidness. https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/805kx3/explaining_arbitration_and_super_two_status_in_mlb/
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Post by skokiejoe on Sept 29, 2021 16:37:26 GMT -5
9/29 Davis 1-2 2b 3BB OPS=1.101 Morel 2-3 OPS=.875
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Post by Reverency on Sept 30, 2021 8:25:21 GMT -5
Just sharing something I read to help me understand this super two bidness. https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/805kx3/explaining_arbitration_and_super_two_status_in_mlb/ Thanks for the article. As always, it makes me wonder about the convoluted minds that think up this stuff.
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Post by tehmpus on Nov 11, 2021 8:18:29 GMT -5
Honestly I didn't even realize that he was black before this comment. Feels pretty good though. I will be racist in stating that some of the best Cubs players of all time were black men, and we haven't had a good one for awhile. Heyward obviously isn't one of the greats. I'm sure I'm missing somebody , and it's not something that ever crossed my mind prior to reading your comment , but I grew up idolizing Billy, Fergie and just caught the very tail end of Ernie and I'd also add in Madlock to the list , but after him , who ? , only Dunston and D. Lee come to mind off the top of my head. Kinda a late response, but Dawson was pretty damn awesome for awhile.
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Post by batman66 on Nov 11, 2021 8:51:50 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm missing somebody , and it's not something that ever crossed my mind prior to reading your comment , but I grew up idolizing Billy, Fergie and just caught the very tail end of Ernie and I'd also add in Madlock to the list , but after him , who ? , only Dunston and D. Lee come to mind off the top of my head. Kinda a late response, but Dawson was pretty damn awesome for awhile. For sure , I am surprised I forgot to think of him.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 14, 2021 15:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by bryzzobrist on Dec 13, 2023 18:19:53 GMT -5
Crazy how fast a prospect can go from hero to zero. What's happened to him? Is it just a stretch of bad baseball, making adjustments, injury? What's the dealio?
and lawls at the foreshadowing
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