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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Mar 1, 2019 13:43:38 GMT -5
World marketing organization rated Harper as the 13th most marketable athlete in the WORLD. Soccer player Paul Pogba is #1. Easy to give out that deal when marketing money will bring in a boat load back www.sportspromedia.com/most-marketable/2018
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Mar 1, 2019 13:44:57 GMT -5
But that's the thing though, those guys performed and earned it. You haven't even given Manny and Harper a chance to earn their new contracts. It's going to take a long time to see if they earn it, but my thought process has always been, for any player who signs a big time contract, 70% and it's earner. Perform for 70% of your huge contract. Anything at 70% and up is gold IMO I tell you what. Let's test your opinion in reality. If you lend me $100, I'd be willing to pay you back $70. The missing $30 isn't worth your time, right? This is why the excessive years contracts just don't work out in the long run. But you'll buy a $30,000 car today that's worth $10,000 when you pay it off in 5 years?
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Post by tehmpus on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:28 GMT -5
I tell you what. Let's test your opinion in reality. If you lend me $100, I'd be willing to pay you back $70. The missing $30 isn't worth your time, right? This is why the excessive years contracts just don't work out in the long run. But you'll buy a $30,000 car today that's worth $10,000 when you pay it off in 5 years? Can you make a different analogy? I save up money and buy vehicles with cash. That seems to be the smart way of doing it.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 1, 2019 14:10:16 GMT -5
World marketing organization rated Harper as the 13th most marketable athlete in the WORLD. Soccer player Paul Pogba is #1. Easy to give out that deal when marketing money will bring in a boat load back www.sportspromedia.com/most-marketable/2018man , I must really be old and or just out of the loop with who is popular. I don't think I've even heard of 10 of them on that list.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:59:55 GMT -5
World marketing organization rated Harper as the 13th most marketable athlete in the WORLD. Soccer player Paul Pogba is #1. Easy to give out that deal when marketing money will bring in a boat load back www.sportspromedia.com/most-marketable/2018I cannot believe Harper (allegedly) turned down 45 million per for 4 years from the Dodgers. Granted, if I were him I'd want a fifth year player option at 20 million to guarantee me 200 million but damn man! I think what you see in that offer, extremely high AAV on a short term contract, is what good, big market teams with smart GM's are going to opt for. Which is why, if I'm the players association, I would try to get MLB to raise the threshold and agree to a 5 year max contract. (Extensions would be handled different) I think it would be good similar to the NBA where the team that holds the contract can offer 1 additional year and I think they should move to restricted free agency. Free agency is based on age, not years in the league however a player owes a minimum of 3 years of MLB service time. My proposal would be: 6 years total MLB service time before unrestricted free agency or Age 28 for restricted free agency (if they have not hit their 6 years) Age 29 for unrestricted free agency unless they have less than 3 years on an Active Roster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 22:08:17 GMT -5
World marketing organization rated Harper as the 13th most marketable athlete in the WORLD. Soccer player Paul Pogba is #1. Easy to give out that deal when marketing money will bring in a boat load back www.sportspromedia.com/most-marketable/2018man , I must really be old and or just out of the loop with who is popular. I don't think I've even heard of 10 of them on that list. LeBron James didn't make the list?? I don't particularly care for LeBron but how is he not one of the top 50 most marketable athletes? I'm actually really pumped about Judge in New York for what it can do for baseball. He is one of the best players, kids and chicks dig the long ball and he plays in the best market. He is literally larger than life. What sucks, and it's his prerogative not to, is that Trout doesn't do more endorsements/marketing for baseball. He is the best player I've seen since Bonds by a wide margin.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Mar 4, 2019 10:40:01 GMT -5
man , I must really be old and or just out of the loop with who is popular. I don't think I've even heard of 10 of them on that list. LeBron James didn't make the list?? I don't particularly care for LeBron but how is he not one of the top 50 most marketable athletes? I'm actually really pumped about Judge in New York for what it can do for baseball. He is one of the best players, kids and chicks dig the long ball and he plays in the best market. He is literally larger than life. What sucks, and it's his prerogative not to, is that Trout doesn't do more endorsements/marketing for baseball. He is the best player I've seen since Bonds by a wide margin. It wasn't based on popularity, it was based on marketability. How often do you see LeBron marketed outside of the NBA? Shoes, drinks, clothes, anything? It's not much anymore. As a matter of fact, LeBron kind of brings a negative connotation associated with his name. I mean, who ever says, "yeah boi, I'm going to go get this LeBron James 15's today"? I'm serious. he's not as marketable anymore.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 1, 2023 10:35:43 GMT -5
Since these signings, have they been worth the deals they signed?
Harper .281/.390/.912 150 OPS+ a 144 wRC+ (6th best in baseball since he signed) and 1 MVP trophy. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 1 time, including a world series appearance.
Machado .276/.374/.841 132 OPS+ a 127 wRC+ (35th best in baseball since he signed), top 3 in MVP votes twice and 1 silver slugger award. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 2 time, losing in the NLDS and the NLCS.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 1, 2023 11:24:58 GMT -5
Since these signings, have they been worth the deals they signed? Harper .281/.390/.912 150 OPS+ a 144 wRC+ (6th best in baseball since he signed) and 1 MVP trophy. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 1 time, including a world series appearance. Machado .276/.374/.841 132 OPS+ a 127 wRC+ (35th best in baseball since he signed), top 3 in MVP votes twice and 1 silver slugger award. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 2 time, losing in the NLDS and the NLCS. And their teams currently are both sitting with 1 more win than the Cubs are despite having better rosters so there is that .
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jun 1, 2023 11:58:04 GMT -5
Since these signings, have they been worth the deals they signed? Harper .281/.390/.912 150 OPS+ a 144 wRC+ (6th best in baseball since he signed) and 1 MVP trophy. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 1 time, including a world series appearance. Machado .276/.374/.841 132 OPS+ a 127 wRC+ (35th best in baseball since he signed), top 3 in MVP votes twice and 1 silver slugger award. On the flip side, his teams have made the playoffs 2 time, losing in the NLDS and the NLCS. And their teams currently are both sitting with 1 more win than the Cubs are despite having better rosters so there is that . Not sure what team construction has to do with Harper doing what he's paid to do. Harper .315/.410/.893 and a 141 wRC+
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Post by TheChico on Jun 1, 2023 12:03:48 GMT -5
Harper is worth every penny and his contract and now considered below market value team friendly deal, I felt the Cubs made a serious mistake not signing him when he was a free agent because of short term payroll concerns and I still feel that way today, it was short sighted thinking from ownership.
Machado original contract was would of been below market value today, but his new extention is likely going to get ugly for the Padres long term and has been very underwhelming this year with a slash line of .231/.282/.372 with a OPS+ 83 which is concerning.
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Post by batman66 on Jun 1, 2023 13:24:16 GMT -5
And their teams currently are both sitting with 1 more win than the Cubs are despite having better rosters so there is that . Not sure what team construction has to do with Harper doing what he's paid to do. Harper .315/.410/.893 and a 141 wRC+ Just saying signing these "megastar" guys doesn't seem to mean shit sometimes, even if you load your roster aside from them with a shit ton of talent like SD and Philly did , they are currently one game better than the Cubs .
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Post by batman66 on Jun 1, 2023 13:38:27 GMT -5
Harper is worth every penny and his contract and now considered below market value team friendly deal, I felt the Cubs made a serious mistake not signing him when he was a free agent because of short term payroll concerns and I still feel that way today, it was short sighted thinking from ownership. Machado original contract was would of been below market value today, but his new extention is likely going to get ugly for the Padres long term and has been very underwhelming this year with a slash line of .231/.282/.372 with a OPS+ 83 which is concerning. If they would have signed Harper then they also would have likely kept some or most of the other guys and would be getting close to their window of contention closing because most of them aren't exactly lighting the baseball world on fire anymore other than Rizzo when he plays in Yankee stadium. Bryant -0.5 WAR .719 OPS wRC+ 87 Baez 0.5 WAR .581 OPS wRC+ 98
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Post by Mike on Jun 8, 2023 15:22:32 GMT -5
Harper on our team in 2019 means no Daniel Descalso. 1st Half: 146 wRC+ 3B Bryant 17 HR 139 wRC+ C Contreras 18 HR 133 wRC+ 1B Rizzo (L) 19 HR 127 wRC+ C Caratini (S) 4 HR 121 wRC+ SS Baez 22 HR 116 wRC+ RF Harper (L) 16 HR 108 wRC+ CF Heyward (L) 14 HR 99 wRC+ IF Bote 9 HR 96 wRC+ LF Schwarber (L) 18 HR 83 wRC+ SS Russell 5 HR 73 wRC+ OF Almora 8 HR 66 wRC+ 2B Zobrist (S) 0 HR
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Oct 12, 2023 8:34:44 GMT -5
Typical Cub mentality in this thread
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Post by bryzzobrist on Oct 14, 2023 23:22:49 GMT -5
Typical Cub mentality in this thread
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Post by batman66 on Oct 15, 2023 10:39:43 GMT -5
Typical Cub mentality in this thread Maybe you should have waited until the Phillies win it all to bump this up. Had he signed with the Cubs and had they been making the playoffs and not winning it all you'd still be bitching anyway that just making the playoffs isn't good enough just like you did when you say they did nothing after 2016. But since the Phillies are making the playoffs it's all golden a total double standard on your behalf, no surprise though.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Oct 17, 2023 9:31:22 GMT -5
Typical Cub mentality in this thread Maybe you should have waited until the Phillies win it all to bump this up. Had he signed with the Cubs and had they been making the playoffs and not winning it all you'd still be bitching anyway that just making the playoffs isn't good enough just like you did when you say they did nothing after 2016. But since the Phillies are making the playoffs it's all golden a total double standard on your behalf, no surprise though. What the hell does winning have to do with it? Harper is exactly what he's paid to do and it bothers you so much for some reason. Mostly likely because you were dead wrong about Harper, per usual.
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Post by batman66 on Oct 17, 2023 10:19:18 GMT -5
Maybe you should have waited until the Phillies win it all to bump this up. Had he signed with the Cubs and had they been making the playoffs and not winning it all you'd still be bitching anyway that just making the playoffs isn't good enough just like you did when you say they did nothing after 2016. But since the Phillies are making the playoffs it's all golden a total double standard on your behalf, no surprise though. What the hell does winning have to do with it? Harper is exactly what he's paid to do and it bothers you so much for some reason. Mostly likely because you were dead wrong about Harper, per usual. Can you direct me to where I was dead wrong about Harper ?
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Post by batman66 on Oct 22, 2023 10:09:25 GMT -5
Maybe you should have waited until the Phillies win it all to bump this up. Had he signed with the Cubs and had they been making the playoffs and not winning it all you'd still be bitching anyway that just making the playoffs isn't good enough just like you did when you say they did nothing after 2016. But since the Phillies are making the playoffs it's all golden a total double standard on your behalf, no surprise though. What the hell does winning have to do with it? Harper is exactly what he's paid to do and it bothers you so much for some reason. Mostly likely because you were dead wrong about Harper, per usual. He's showing his worth , coming up big when so many big names seem to choke in the post season. Been seeing a lot of stories popping up , not sure how legit they are that he really wanted to come to Chicago but the door to the Cubs wasn't open so he wanted to and thought he might sign with the WSox but didn't like what he heard about what they would do after signing him which I guess wasn't going to be keep spending and more spending like they were going to do and did in Philly. What could have been , imagine him being added to the core the Sox were developing , maybe he would have kept their heads and asses in the right direction and held that team together instead of what happened.
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