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Post by tehmpus on Jan 11, 2019 6:36:39 GMT -5
Doubtful. He will have a full no trade clause, and possible opt outs depending on how desperate a team is to sign him. For his sake if he's getting this type of contract (350+) he'd be stupid to opt out early. There are enough people in organizations thinking this type of money for this type of player is crazy right now. His value is very unlikely to be higher 2 or more years from now. If the point you are trying to make is he'll have a change of heart 3-4 years into this deal and decide to take less on a winning team, then the opt out isn't a bad strategy. But if we're looking financially, no way should he opt out of this type of deal. I don't think he will actually opt out, but he will insist on getting it for his contract. It will be similar to Heyward in that fashion. He will find himself overpaid, so stay with the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 6:50:06 GMT -5
I am guessing Machado to the Sox for 8/280M and Harper to the Nats for 10/375M. Just throwing crap at the wall though.
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Post by tehmpus on Jan 11, 2019 19:52:27 GMT -5
I am guessing Machado to the Sox for 8/280M and Harper to the Nats for 10/375M. Just throwing crap at the wall though. Lately it's been feeling like Machado is just using the White Sox to get the Phillies to up their offer even more.
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Post by nukeslide on Jan 12, 2019 17:52:09 GMT -5
I am guessing Machado to the Sox for 8/280M and Harper to the Nats for 10/375M. Just throwing crap at the wall though. Lately it's been feeling like Machado is just using the White Sox to get the Phillies to up their offer even more. From the sounds of rumors, it looks like the Sox offered Manny a 7/210. It is only going up from there so it might end up 7/225 to either Philly or WSox depending if Harper is who Philly really wants. Machado might be wise to try to wait out Boras and sign after Harper
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Post by nukeslide on Jan 12, 2019 17:56:39 GMT -5
I'll say 12 years at 420 for Harper with player opt outs with Philly. Machado 6 years 200-210 with player opt outs with NYY or NYM. Two months later and I still feel confident with my teams/years/dollars. Both Phils and Sox rumored in for Manny but I would expect a mystery team to be rumored for leverage OK, Mystery team rumor does enter the picture for leverage of course:
Jon Heyman ✔ @jonheyman Machado camp is telling some folks there’s a mystery team in addition to Chisox, Phils. Validity is unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 3:55:12 GMT -5
Two months later and I still feel confident with my teams/years/dollars. Both Phils and Sox rumored in for Manny but I would expect a mystery team to be rumored for leverage OK, Mystery team rumor does enter the picture for leverage of course:
Jon Heyman ✔ @jonheyman Machado camp is telling some folks there’s a mystery team in addition to Chisox, Phils. Validity is unknown. Whitesox fans on Twitter are going nuts!! They thought they had Manny locked up.
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Post by tehmpus on Jan 13, 2019 7:18:45 GMT -5
OK, Mystery team rumor does enter the picture for leverage of course:
Jon Heyman ✔ @jonheyman Machado camp is telling some folks there’s a mystery team in addition to Chisox, Phils. Validity is unknown. Whitesox fans on Twitter are going nuts!! They thought they had Manny locked up. I wrote this in another thread already, but it seems like Machado is just trying to drive his prices up higher. Hope he doesn't drag this out all offseason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 8:17:54 GMT -5
Whitesox fans on Twitter are going nuts!! They thought they had Manny locked up. I wrote this in another thread already, but it seems like Machado is just trying to drive his prices up higher. Hope he doesn't drag this out all offseason. I think the Cubs are the mystery team... Was thinking about this on the way to the gym this afternoon: This past season, the Cubs were linked to Machado both before the season began and during the season. The interest seemed to fade but I wonder if the Cubs could sneak in like they did with Darvish when they saw his price tag drop a little. I doubt the Cubs would come in with the max dollar but perhaps may be close and try to sell atmosphere and competitive window. Potential structure: 26-1- 20 million with opt out after first season 10 million buy out (the Fowler deal where the Cubs agree to pay the 10 million regardless) 27-2- 35 million 28-3- 35 million w/ opt out after season 3 total contract value 3/90 million 29-4- 25 w/ opt out 30-5- 25 31-6- 25 32-7- 25 33-8- 20 million team option w/10 million buy out Total contract value 7/200 potentially 8/210. The Cubs could throw some incentives to make the over all value more appealing and reward him for good play in years 4-7. I know some people have a problem with opt outs, especially with it being heavily loaded in the front but I'm the opposite. I think a couple different things, especially a guy like Machado who clearly looked very motivated this season by free agency. Constantly having free agency looming is a great thing. I also like having a player motivated to opt out by front loading and then bringing the dollars down.
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Post by jerm42991 on Jan 13, 2019 9:24:46 GMT -5
I wrote this in another thread already, but it seems like Machado is just trying to drive his prices up higher. Hope he doesn't drag this out all offseason. I think the Cubs are the mystery team... Was thinking about this on the way to the gym this afternoon: This past season, the Cubs were linked to Machado both before the season began and during the season. The interest seemed to fade but I wonder if the Cubs could sneak in like they did with Darvish when they saw his price tag drop a little. I doubt the Cubs would come in with the max dollar but perhaps may be close and try to sell atmosphere and competitive window. Potential structure: 26-1- 20 million with opt out after first season 10 million buy out (the Fowler deal where the Cubs agree to pay the 10 million regardless) 27-2- 35 million 28-3- 35 million w/ opt out after season 3 total contract value 3/90 million 29-4- 25 w/ opt out 30-5- 25 31-6- 25 32-7- 25 33-8- 20 million team option w/10 million buy out Total contract value 7/200 potentially 8/210. The Cubs could throw some incentives to make the over all value more appealing and reward him for good play in years 4-7. I know some people have a problem with opt outs, especially with it being heavily loaded in the front but I'm the opposite. I think a couple different things, especially a guy like Machado who clearly looked very motivated this season by free agency. Constantly having free agency looming is a great thing. I also like having a player motivated to opt out by front loading and then bringing the dollars down. We must have seen a different Machado, I did not see a guy motivated by free agency, especially in the playoffs. If a guy can’t hustle in the playoffs, in a walk year where they are looking for a 300M+ contract, then I don’t trust them. I didn’t want Machado before the playoffs and especially not after
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 9:50:02 GMT -5
I think the Cubs are the mystery team... Was thinking about this on the way to the gym this afternoon: This past season, the Cubs were linked to Machado both before the season began and during the season. The interest seemed to fade but I wonder if the Cubs could sneak in like they did with Darvish when they saw his price tag drop a little. I doubt the Cubs would come in with the max dollar but perhaps may be close and try to sell atmosphere and competitive window. Potential structure: 26-1- 20 million with opt out after first season 10 million buy out (the Fowler deal where the Cubs agree to pay the 10 million regardless) 27-2- 35 million 28-3- 35 million w/ opt out after season 3 total contract value 3/90 million 29-4- 25 w/ opt out 30-5- 25 31-6- 25 32-7- 25 33-8- 20 million team option w/10 million buy out Total contract value 7/200 potentially 8/210. The Cubs could throw some incentives to make the over all value more appealing and reward him for good play in years 4-7. I know some people have a problem with opt outs, especially with it being heavily loaded in the front but I'm the opposite. I think a couple different things, especially a guy like Machado who clearly looked very motivated this season by free agency. Constantly having free agency looming is a great thing. I also like having a player motivated to opt out by front loading and then bringing the dollars down. We must have seen a different Machado, I did not see a guy motivated by free agency, especially in the playoffs. If a guy can’t hustle in the playoffs, in a walk year where they are looking for a 300M+ contract, then I don’t trust them. I didn’t want Machado before the playoffs and especially not after The guy did drive in 12 runs in the playoffs
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Post by cfin on Jan 13, 2019 9:51:56 GMT -5
I really thought Machado would be more valuable than Harper going into this offseason. He probably made a bit more sense for the Cubs as a 3B and moving Bryant to the OF full time.
I'm not sure he carries as much value if he's looking to sign as a shortstop where he's just not as good defensively.
But yea, after the hustling comments, that kind of soured me on him.
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2019 14:17:22 GMT -5
Phillies now the favorite to sign Harper... I think it's been conveyed to him that it's too much money to leave on the table if he signs elsewhere.
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Post by TheChico on Jan 13, 2019 14:40:36 GMT -5
Phillies now the favorite to sign Harper... I think it's been conveyed to him that it's too much money to leave on the table if he signs elsewhere. We shall see...the Machado and Harper thing is getting really old. When does Spring training start?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 19:34:49 GMT -5
I think the Cubs are the mystery team... Was thinking about this on the way to the gym this afternoon: This past season, the Cubs were linked to Machado both before the season began and during the season. The interest seemed to fade but I wonder if the Cubs could sneak in like they did with Darvish when they saw his price tag drop a little. I doubt the Cubs would come in with the max dollar but perhaps may be close and try to sell atmosphere and competitive window. Potential structure: 26-1- 20 million with opt out after first season 10 million buy out (the Fowler deal where the Cubs agree to pay the 10 million regardless) 27-2- 35 million 28-3- 35 million w/ opt out after season 3 total contract value 3/90 million 29-4- 25 w/ opt out 30-5- 25 31-6- 25 32-7- 25 33-8- 20 million team option w/10 million buy out Total contract value 7/200 potentially 8/210. The Cubs could throw some incentives to make the over all value more appealing and reward him for good play in years 4-7. I know some people have a problem with opt outs, especially with it being heavily loaded in the front but I'm the opposite. I think a couple different things, especially a guy like Machado who clearly looked very motivated this season by free agency. Constantly having free agency looming is a great thing. I also like having a player motivated to opt out by front loading and then bringing the dollars down. We must have seen a different Machado, I did not see a guy motivated by free agency, especially in the playoffs. If a guy can’t hustle in the playoffs, in a walk year where they are looking for a 300M+ contract, then I don’t trust them. I didn’t want Machado before the playoffs and especially not after I also never said I was a proponent for signing Machado, I'm saying if the Cubs front office thought they saw value in Machado and because they have had interest in him in the past. I think Cubs brass knows a lot more about baseball and can evaluate talent, players and personality better than either of us can.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 2:37:27 GMT -5
Phillies now the favorite to sign Harper... I think it's been conveyed to him that it's too much money to leave on the table if he signs elsewhere. We shall see...the Machado and Harper thing is getting really old. When does Spring training start? I agree with this, with all the bogus/fake tweets and then the "supposedly" planted tweets from "sources" to local and national guys it is an endless cycle of garbage. Just negotiate in fair terms like the good old days and get it done.
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Post by nukeslide on Jan 29, 2019 11:34:45 GMT -5
Any last guesses?
Rumor is Harper will sign/announce today or Wednesday
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Post by TheChico on Jan 29, 2019 11:38:46 GMT -5
Any last guesses?
Rumor is Harper will sign/announce today or Wednesday
11 year 350 million with Phillies
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:25:03 GMT -5
Any last guesses?
Rumor is Harper will sign/announce today or Wednesday
not a guess - turns out this is fake news based on speculation
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Post by tehmpus on Jan 29, 2019 21:11:21 GMT -5
Any last guesses?
Rumor is Harper will sign/announce today or Wednesday
Truth is, I really don't know. He could either be a Philly or National at this point. The only thing you could probably be certain of is that Boras will drag this out longer to try to get him even more for his contract.
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Post by nukeslide on Feb 28, 2019 17:09:04 GMT -5
Now we know...and none of us were real accurate. Weird contract imo. AAV not impressive and he might not like his deal 4-5 years from now
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