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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 6, 2023 18:26:10 GMT -5
No market value listed for belli yet on spotrac
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Post by holycow23 on Aug 6, 2023 19:37:03 GMT -5
No market value listed for belli yet on spotrac Still 50 games to go. Ive heard a couple so called experts on this say numerous things. So I dont have a clue. With Boras right now I would guess 200 million maybe more.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 6, 2023 20:20:12 GMT -5
No market value listed for belli yet on spotrac Still 50 games to go. Ive heard a couple so called experts on this say numerous things. So I dont have a clue. With Boras right now I would guess 200 million maybe more. How does anyone go from a 1 yr deal to a potential 200m deal after 5 months of ball? Quite the comeback!
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Post by holycow23 on Aug 6, 2023 21:16:41 GMT -5
Still 50 games to go. Ive heard a couple so called experts on this say numerous things. So I dont have a clue. With Boras right now I would guess 200 million maybe more. How does anyone go from a 1 yr deal to a potential 200m deal after 5 months of ball? Quite the comeback! The debate would be track record. You can say he should get less than Dansby because belli doesnt have the consistent track record that Dansby did. Or you can bring up a Boras client in KB who won the ROY and MVP and got 182 and was trending heavily downward. Right now Belli is trending up at the free agent age of 28. Normally age 28 brings at least 7 years. So 7 years 210?
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 7, 2023 8:26:44 GMT -5
Last 2 FAs to sign big deals, last offseason, Nimmo 8/162 and Judge 9/360. I think not only has Belly probably locked up Comeback Player Of The Year, but he's put himself in MVP talk. I think Acuna runs away with it, but Belly is definitely top 10, maybe top 5, even with missed games. I think it takes 8 years 200-250 million, my guess.
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Post by Mike on Aug 7, 2023 8:33:00 GMT -5
7/203 is my guess. Opt-out after 3rd year. 23/25/27/29/31/33/35
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Post by batman66 on Aug 7, 2023 9:54:09 GMT -5
Last 2 FAs to sign big deals, last offseason, Nimmo 8/162 and Judge 9/360. I think not only has Belly probably locked up Comeback Player Of The Year, but he's put himself in MVP talk. I think Acuna runs away with it, but Belly is definitely top 10, maybe top 5, even with missed games. I think it takes 8 years 200-250 million, my guess. That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance .
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Post by fine09 on Aug 7, 2023 11:22:55 GMT -5
Last 2 FAs to sign big deals, last offseason, Nimmo 8/162 and Judge 9/360. I think not only has Belly probably locked up Comeback Player Of The Year, but he's put himself in MVP talk. I think Acuna runs away with it, but Belly is definitely top 10, maybe top 5, even with missed games. I think it takes 8 years 200-250 million, my guess. That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance . I agree with Steve's guess too but there is also a chance that someone like the Giants offer hi a 10 year 280 million dollar deal & if they do there is a good chance the Cubs (like most other clubs) won't match that deal. So if something like that were to take place I would be very disappointed but I can't say that I would be pissed at the Cubs. I want him as a Cub for the next 6 to 8 years but not at a 20% overpay situation because we still need to field a team. I think an 8 year 200 mil deal gets it done with an opt out after year 3 but if they do that then it needs to be the same 25 mil for every year, not a declining value contract but certainly not a climbing value contract either..
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Post by batman66 on Aug 7, 2023 11:54:23 GMT -5
That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance . I agree with Steve's guess too but there is also a chance that someone like the Giants offer hi a 10 year 280 million dollar deal & if they do there is a good chance the Cubs (like most other clubs) won't match that deal. So if something like that were to take place I would be very disappointed but I can't say that I would be pissed at the Cubs. I want him as a Cub for the next 6 to 8 years but not at a 20% overpay situation because we still need to field a team. I think an 8 year 200 mil deal gets it done with an opt out after year 3 but if they do that then it needs to be the same 25 mil for every year, not a declining value contract but certainly not a climbing value contract either.. You could be on to something with the Giants offering an over pay , but the possible saving grace for that is he's never hit great in Oracle park and a lot of players don't like playing there. Not that they will get him signed in this period, but the Cubs because of the option year on his contract have I believe an exclusive 5 day window to sign him in free agency.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 7, 2023 12:46:45 GMT -5
What about the articles concerning his underlying stats?
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Post by irishcubfan on Aug 7, 2023 13:01:21 GMT -5
Last 2 FAs to sign big deals, last offseason, Nimmo 8/162 and Judge 9/360. I think not only has Belly probably locked up Comeback Player Of The Year, but he's put himself in MVP talk. I think Acuna runs away with it, but Belly is definitely top 10, maybe top 5, even with missed games. I think it takes 8 years 200-250 million, my guess. That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance . Would you rather have Bellinger or Soto the year after?
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Post by batman66 on Aug 7, 2023 13:01:29 GMT -5
What about the articles concerning his underlying stats? What the hard hit rate crap ? If you watch the games the guys been almost placing balls into play in certain situations and that's why his average is up to .326 , so his barrel and hard hit rates aren't going to be great when a guy does that. And to me that makes him even more impressive because he's not trying to hit everything out of the park .
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Post by batman66 on Aug 7, 2023 13:05:27 GMT -5
That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance . Would you rather have Bellinger or Soto the year after? Soto , but Soto already turned down a 400 million contract so he's going to want close to Ohtani money and probably more than double what Belly gets .
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Post by fine09 on Aug 7, 2023 14:28:30 GMT -5
That's probably a pretty good guess . And they should give it to him , I'd seriously just ask him what it would take to get you to sign and pretty much give it to him. He is perfect for this team. And how giddy Jed is talking about him , I think the Cubs will do all they can to keep him around , I doubt we see an extension , but I think they sign him back in free agency . If they don't I'm going to be really pissed. The ONLY way I won't be is if they end up with Ohtani , but I give that pretty much zero chance . Would you rather have Bellinger or Soto the year after? I pick Bellinger due to the cost per year savings & less years. Soto “might” outperform him but probably not if you factor in the “cost per WAR”. I think he fits this team perfectly & wants to be here.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 7, 2023 14:43:10 GMT -5
My only take on Belly vs Soto..... I think Soto is more likely do to it longer than Belly. I'm not trying to knock Belly, but I think The cost for Soto long term with long term performance may be the better deal long term, but Belly is a better fit for what the Cubs need. The better question is, would you rather pay 600 million for Belly and Soto or 600 million for just Ohtani?
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Post by fine09 on Aug 7, 2023 17:08:48 GMT -5
My only take on Belly vs Soto..... I think Soto is more likely do to it longer than Belly. I'm not trying to knock Belly, but I think The cost for Soto long term with long term performance may be the better deal long term, but Belly is a better fit for what the Cubs need. The better question is, would you rather pay 600 million for Belly and Soto or 600 million for just Ohtani? That is a good question but the important thing is that the Cubs really don't have room for Soto unless they are willing to eat Suzuki's remaining 3 years on his deal or at least 80% of it & I don't think they would. Well Soto isn't a FA until after next year so I guess it would be the remaining 2 years. I think the deal it takes for Ohtani to sign with the Cubs is a 10 year 530 Million dollar deal with the cash per year as follows: 60 mil, 58, 56, 54, 52, 50, 50, 50, 50 & 50 with an opt out after year 3 & year 4. I do however believe another team or two bids much higher. I think the Cubs could live with those numbers even if he is only a two-way player for the next 3 to 5 years because if he isn't a pitcher he can probably play an outfield corner some of the time which allows for a different DH. "IF" they can't sign Ohtani (likely outcome) then I'd sign Belli & also Candelario (5 year 80 mil or so) & we have our 3rd. baseman.
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Post by holycow23 on Aug 7, 2023 17:19:54 GMT -5
If the market is like last offseason teams were looking to lower the AAV by adding more years to the contract. With Bellinger being only 28 a team could offer him a 12 year deal and it wouldnt seem crazy compared to some of the deals given out last offseason. Which makes the Dansby contract even more impressive. Jed has made some mistakes but overall it is looking like he is doing a very good job and i dont lthink he is going to let Belli get away. Getting Jeimer back woud be awesome too for the right deal.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Aug 7, 2023 17:27:29 GMT -5
I just hope Bellinger doesn't allow Boras to drag this out for an extended period of time.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Aug 7, 2023 17:40:10 GMT -5
12 years? 10 years? Im good.
Just like with Correa- 28 isnt everything. Its what you're realistically going to put up during those years.
Ill take belli for 6
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Post by batman66 on Aug 8, 2023 8:56:43 GMT -5
Belly now has the 4th highest batting average in all of baseball at .332
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