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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 6, 2016 21:30:42 GMT -5
Matt Harvey to the 15 day D/L Harvey is seeing Dr. Thompson to check out the team’s “suspicion” that Harvey could be dealing with thoracic outlet syndrome, Newsday’s David Lennon tweets. The syndrome involves a compression of nerves and/or blood vessels in the shoulder area, and can be quite painful.
Pirates reserve catcher Chris Stewart will attempt to play through knee soreness, head athletic trainer Todd Tomczyk told reporters including Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Twitter link). An MRI showed “wear and tear” to the joint, which could ultimately require surgery, but it seems that Stewart will at least make an effort to avoid going under the knife.
Cardinals third baseman Matt Carpenter left tonight’s game with what has been diagnosed as an oblique injury, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch was among those to tweet. He’s headed for an immediate assessment of the injury as the team seeks to get out ahead of things. It’s obviously not possible to assess how much time he might miss at this point, let alone whether a DL stint will be required, but the manner in which the Cards are proceeding suggests there’s some concern. St. Louis just lost Brandon Moss, so it’s not an optimal time for another position player to be dealing with an injury issue.
Also, Cardinals catcher Brayan Pena is headed to the DL with knee inflammation not long after being activated, as MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch reports on Twitter. 11-year minor-league veteran Alberto Rosario will get his first big league call to replace Pena as the backup receiver, but that’s probably not what St. Louis was hoping for. The team recently lost Eric Fryer on waivers while attempting to outright him to clear space for Pena.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 7, 2016 11:25:36 GMT -5
Matt Carpenter placed on the DL, Oblique strain, he is going to be out for a while they way it sounds. That is a major blow to their best player on the team. Cardinals cannot replace him and be fine.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 11:50:35 GMT -5
Matt Carpenter placed on the DL, Oblique strain, he is going to be out for a while they way it sounds. That is a major blow to their best player on the team. Cardinals cannot replace him and be fine. They also just recently put Moss on the DL with a sprained ankle, that's two guys who had over a .900 OPS out of their line up. Peralta has also been having problems with his thumb again. Pena the back up catcher who just came off the DL 8 days ago is back on the DL and they lost Fryer who was playing well as their back up catcher , he was claimed on waivers . |
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 7, 2016 11:53:03 GMT -5
The Cardinals could decide to go into a rebuild mode.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 7, 2016 11:56:31 GMT -5
The Cardinals could decide to go into a rebuild mode. I expect more of a "partial rebuild" & maybe move Adams & Holiday to a contender. They do have replacement guys that wouldn't have quite the bat that these 2 do but they wouldn't lose that much. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 12:10:57 GMT -5
The Cardinals could decide to go into a rebuild mode. I doubt it, there is still enough talent to re-tool and not re-build . It will be interesting to see what they do at the deadline, I don't see them becoming sellers, they may still be buyers but I don't think they's do anything major for a rental type player just to try to make a wild card spot. If they do deal, it would be for somebody that could be part of the future. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 12:15:11 GMT -5
The Cardinals could decide to go into a rebuild mode. I expect more of a "partial rebuild" & maybe move Adams & Holiday to a contender. They do have replacement guys that wouldn't have quite the bat that these 2 do but they wouldn't lose that much. Not going to get much for those guys. Pretty much all teams have an Adams type in their system and Holliday at 17 million for what he gives you now , not exactly a bargain. The other team won't have to worry about his 2017 option kicking in though, it kicks in if he finishes in the top 10 MVP votes for 2016. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 12:18:15 GMT -5
The Mets should be starting to get worried. This isn't good news with Harvey and although Matz and Sydergaard have continued to pitch well with bone spurs, they aren't going to just go away
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Post by fine09 on Jul 7, 2016 14:35:49 GMT -5
I expect more of a "partial rebuild" & maybe move Adams & Holiday to a contender. They do have replacement guys that wouldn't have quite the bat that these 2 do but they wouldn't lose that much. Not going to get much for those guys. Pretty much all teams have an Adams type in their system and Holliday at 17 million for what he gives you now , not exactly a bargain. The other team won't have to worry about his 2017 option kicking in though, it kicks in if he finishes in the top 10 MVP votes for 2016. I think there will be teams wanting Holliday. His 244 ave/319 OBP aren't great but he had 51 RBI's & 15 HR's which is a better pace than he had done in almost 10 years & for maybe 7 million they should be takers.. |
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Post by sosacorks on Jul 7, 2016 14:48:57 GMT -5
The Cardinals could decide to go into a rebuild mode. I expect more of a "partial rebuild" & maybe move Adams & Holiday to a contender. They do have replacement guys that wouldn't have quite the bat that these 2 do but they wouldn't lose that much. I don't think there's any way in hell that the Cardinals trade those guys this year and begin a rebuild just yet. They we're all up in arms when Heyward said he was coming to the Cubs because the cards core was aging. To start even a partial rebuild this soon would be admitting that he was right. I think they're much too proud to just go ahead and admit to that so soon. Honestly I hope Carpenter isn't out very long because I kind of like him as a player even though he's a cardinal. Even if he wasn't injured the Cubs would still pound them for their division this year so I'd rather see them at full strength with no excuses. |
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Post by fine09 on Jul 7, 2016 14:57:41 GMT -5
I expect more of a "partial rebuild" & maybe move Adams & Holiday to a contender. They do have replacement guys that wouldn't have quite the bat that these 2 do but they wouldn't lose that much. I don't think there's any way in hell that the Cardinals trade those guys this year and begin a rebuild just yet. They we're all up in arms when Heyward said he was coming to the Cubs because the cards core was aging. To start even a partial rebuild this soon would be admitting that he was right. I think they're much too proud to just go ahead and admit to that so soon. Honestly I hope Carpenter isn't out very long because I kind of like him as a player even though he's a cardinal. Even if he wasn't injured the Cubs would still pound them for their division this year so I'd rather see them at full strength with no excuses. I think that they could deal those 2 without giving up on the division & sell it to their fans that way. I also agree that they won't do a total rebuild.. I hate to see any player injured & also have respect for Carpenter as a player. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 7, 2016 15:09:43 GMT -5
The Mets should be starting to get worried. This isn't good news with Harvey and although Matz and Sydergaard have continued to pitch well with bone spurs, they aren't going to just go away Matt Harvey and the Mets got the worst news you can get, his season is over and will need shoulder surgery and probably miss most of 2017 season as well. Pitchers careers have ended with that surgery or stuff greatly diminished. That sucks!
linkhttps://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/751140755943657472
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Post by sosacorks on Jul 7, 2016 15:31:32 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way in hell that the Cardinals trade those guys this year and begin a rebuild just yet. They we're all up in arms when Heyward said he was coming to the Cubs because the cards core was aging. To start even a partial rebuild this soon would be admitting that he was right. I think they're much too proud to just go ahead and admit to that so soon. Honestly I hope Carpenter isn't out very long because I kind of like him as a player even though he's a cardinal. Even if he wasn't injured the Cubs would still pound them for their division this year so I'd rather see them at full strength with no excuses. I think that they could deal those 2 without giving up on the division & sell it to their fans that way. I also agree that they won't do a total rebuild.. I hate to see any player injured & also have respect for Carpenter as a player. I understand that completely but I just think the Cardinals are too proud and too boneheaded to do the right thing for the future of their team. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 15:32:24 GMT -5
He's thinking it over, if he has the surgery now it's a 4 month recovery, so season over but 2017 he should be good to go..
He can get injections to block the nerve and put off the surgery until after the season but that would put his 2017 season in jeopardy.
He's going to need the surgery either way, it's up to him when he wants to do it
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Post by sosacorks on Jul 7, 2016 15:49:17 GMT -5
He's thinking it over, if he has the surgery now it's a 4 month recovery, so season over but 2017 he should be good to go.. He can get injections to block the nerve and put off the surgery until after the season but that would put his 2017 season in jeopardy. He's going to need the surgery either way, it's up to him when he wants to do it Damn tough break for him. In my opinion the best choice would be to have the surgery now and have a lot longer time to recover. If there is a chance that he could do further damage if he continues to pitch this year then he has to weigh his career against this one year. Tough break either way. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 7, 2016 16:33:06 GMT -5
He's thinking it over, if he has the surgery now it's a 4 month recovery, so season over but 2017 he should be good to go.. He can get injections to block the nerve and put off the surgery until after the season but that would put his 2017 season in jeopardy. He's going to need the surgery either way, it's up to him when he wants to do it Damn tough break for him. In my opinion the best choice would be to have the surgery now and have a lot longer time to recover. If there is a chance that he could do further damage if he continues to pitch this year then he has to weigh his career against this one year. Tough break either way. If he was his normal self and pitching well, then I'd think about putting it off, but his ERA is pushing 5 and he's been struggling all season. Time to look out for his future, I think it's a no brainer to have it now. Although that will no doubt rile the NY press and they'll say he's giving up on his team just like they did with his innings limit fiasco. |
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Post by TheChico on Jul 7, 2016 17:06:49 GMT -5
Damn tough break for him. In my opinion the best choice would be to have the surgery now and have a lot longer time to recover. If there is a chance that he could do further damage if he continues to pitch this year then he has to weigh his career against this one year. Tough break either way. If he was his normal self and pitching well, then I'd think about putting it off, but his ERA is pushing 5 and he's been struggling all season. Time to look out for his future, I think it's a no brainer to have it now. Although that will no doubt rile the NY press and they'll say he's giving up on his team just like they did with his innings limit fiasco. Harvey has to get it done, he is only hurting himself and his team if he does not. Like you said, it is a no-brainer.
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Post by sosacorks on Jul 7, 2016 17:32:16 GMT -5
Damn tough break for him. In my opinion the best choice would be to have the surgery now and have a lot longer time to recover. If there is a chance that he could do further damage if he continues to pitch this year then he has to weigh his career against this one year. Tough break either way. If he was his normal self and pitching well, then I'd think about putting it off, but his ERA is pushing 5 and he's been struggling all season. Time to look out for his future, I think it's a no brainer to have it now. Although that will no doubt rile the NY press and they'll say he's giving up on his team just like they did with his innings limit fiasco. I could be wrong but isn't he a FA after 2017? If so it's an even easier decision. |
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Post by Mike on Jul 8, 2016 6:20:10 GMT -5
No, he is arbitration eligible in 2017... Free agent in 2019.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 9, 2016 12:39:19 GMT -5
Harvey did decide to shut it down and get surgery.
And last night Sydergaard left the game in the 5th inning with his pitch count in the 70's with what he called a "tired arm" he said it wasn't his elbow but he was feeling some shoulder fatigue.
He was averaging around 94 on his fastball in the 5th when he's usually around 98.
Cespedes also left the game again with a quad strain.
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