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Post by TheChico on Mar 19, 2024 14:01:50 GMT -5
Cubs have 3 non-roster invitee with opt outs clause that the Cubs will have to make a decision by 3/24:
CJ Edwards **Prediction: he agrees to a new minor league deal with multiple opt outs*** Garrett Cooper **Prediction: will add to the 40 man** David Peralta **opts out**
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Post by skokiejoe on Mar 19, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
My prediction is that none of them will be added to the 40 man roster.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 19, 2024 15:57:44 GMT -5
Cubs have 3 non-roster invitee with opt outs clause that the Cubs will have to make a decision by 3/24: CJ Edwards **Prediction: he agrees to a new minor league deal with multiple opt outs*** Garrett Cooper **Prediction: will add to the 40 man** David Peralta **opts out** Dom Smith doesn't have one ? I agree with you , CJ probably goes to Iowa with an opt out gotta be added to the roster date or two Cooper makes the 26 man and Killian probably to the 60 day Peralta probably just gets cut , don't really have room for him in the OF in Iowa.
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Post by kfidd on Mar 19, 2024 17:11:32 GMT -5
Something I just started thinking about, if Canario doesn’t make the 26man where does he play? Iowa’s outfield currently consists of PCA and Davis while Hill and Roederer could also both be viewed as deserving of starts. This doesn’t factor in Caissie who could certainly get the bump to AAA after a stellar 2023 campaign, no? Where is Canario getting his regular playing time if not in Chicago and who is he taking those at bats away from?
Maybe there’s a really clear answer here that I’m not seeing, but with Canario already on the 40man and a bit of a crowded picture in the upper minors perhaps he shouldn’t be overlooked for a roster spot. Cooper on some levels makes sense as a guy to keep around, but then I remember a couple things Counsel has said recently. 1) DH is likely a bit of a revolving door rather than a designated full timer and 2) he values positional versatility/flexibility. Those two statements make me think Cooper isn’t the lock that many think he is. Mastro, Tauchman, Canario, and Wisdom?
Edit: just saw that Wisdom isn’t in the lineup after being slated for it. If his lower back is a bigger issue than they originally though that could open the door for a Cooper.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 19, 2024 17:23:15 GMT -5
Something I just started thinking about, if Canario doesn’t make the 26man where does he play? Iowa’s outfield currently consists of PCA and Davis while Hill and Roederer could also both be viewed as deserving of starts. This doesn’t factor in Caissie who could certainly get the bump to AAA after a stellar 2023 campaign, no? Where is Canario getting his regular playing time if not in Chicago and who is he taking those at bats away from? Maybe there’s a really clear answer here that I’m not seeing, but with Canario already on the 40man and a bit of a crowded picture in the upper minors perhaps he shouldn’t be overlooked for a roster spot. Cooper on some levels makes sense as a guy to keep around, but then I remember a couple things Counsel has said recently. 1) DH is likely a bit of a revolving door rather than a designated full timer and 2) he values positional versatility/flexibility. Those two statements make me think Cooper isn’t the lock that many think he is. Mastro, Tauchman, Canario, and Wisdom? Edit: just saw that Wisdom isn’t in the lineup after being slated for it. If his lower back is a bigger issue than they originally though that could open the door for a Cooper. Caissie I think no doubt starts the season in Iowa, he should have been there last season. I'd be shocked to see him in AA. I think Canario should make the roster , he should be splitting CF with Tauchman until PCA gets the call. I see Wisdom starting the season on the IL . I think they'd want to find a way to keep Cooper around, atleast for a little while.
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Post by skokiejoe on Mar 19, 2024 17:58:56 GMT -5
Revised March 19th
Cubs will carry 13 non pitchers who will they be?
Locks (10) Happ Bellinger Suzuki Tauchman Morel Swanson Hoerner Busch Amaya Gomes
My guess for the other 3 Bote Masterbuoni Canario
Madrigal and Wisdom on the IL
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Post by kfidd on Mar 19, 2024 18:32:35 GMT -5
Revised March 19th Cubs will carry 13 non pitchers who will they be? Locks (10) Happ Bellinger Suzuki Tauchman Morel Swanson Hoerner Busch Amaya Gomes My guess for the other 3 Bote Masterbuoni Canario Madrigal and Wisdom on the IL I’m thinking Canario is a yay now based on my previous comment and bat’s reinforcement. I just don’t see any advantage in him being anywhere other than Chicago. With Wisdom out I’d say that opens the door a little wider for Cooper, but I’m still stuck on my previous comments there as well. He’s not on the 40man, he’s limited to strictly 1B defensively (a place where it all but seems Busch is absolutely entrenched in to start the season), and Counsel views our DH situation as very fluid rather than planting a fixture there. That seemed heavily suggested when he vocally committed to giving Morel an extended look at third and now factoring in Canario making the bench only more so. I.e, in what situations would we rather see Cooper than Canario swinging the bat at DH? I think Cooper was a smart snag as a NRI but at least to this point I don’t think we’ve seen any injury situation be realized enough to warrant him getting a spot. The 40man is tricky enough, even with the ability to 60 day IL a player or two. But how long can you kick the can down the road when we already have so much congestion to begin with? Regarding Bote, that’s an interesting idea to say the least. He’s already on the 40man and getting paid a fortune to just sit at Iowa. His versatility in the field could fit exactly what Counsel is looking for. Furthermore, that immediately opens up an infield spot at Iowa to get creative with. I like your idea here and am feeling at the very least that Tauchman, Mastro, and Canario are all but cemented as 3/4 of the bench. The question is who takes that 4th spot.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 19, 2024 18:59:45 GMT -5
Revised March 19th Cubs will carry 13 non pitchers who will they be? Locks (10) Happ Bellinger Suzuki Tauchman Morel Swanson Hoerner Busch Amaya Gomes My guess for the other 3 Bote Masterbuoni Canario Madrigal and Wisdom on the IL I’m thinking Canario is a yay now based on my previous comment and bat’s reinforcement. I just don’t see any advantage in him being anywhere other than Chicago. With Wisdom out I’d say that opens the door a little wider for Cooper, but I’m still stuck on my previous comments there as well. He’s not on the 40man, he’s limited to strictly 1B defensively (a place where it all but seems Busch is absolutely entrenched in to start the season), and Counsel views our DH situation as very fluid rather than planting a fixture there. That seemed heavily suggested when he vocally committed to giving Morel an extended look at third and now factoring in Canario making the bench only more so. I.e, in what situations would we rather see Cooper than Canario swinging the bat at DH? I think Cooper was a smart snag as a NRI but at least to this point I don’t think we’ve seen any injury situation be realized enough to warrant him getting a spot. The 40man is tricky enough, even with the ability to 60 day IL a player or two. But how long can you kick the can down the road when we already have so much congestion to begin with? Regarding Bote, that’s an interesting idea to say the least. He’s already on the 40man and getting paid a fortune to just sit at Iowa. His versatility in the field could fit exactly what Counsel is looking for. Furthermore, that immediately opens up an infield spot at Iowa to get creative with. I like your idea here and am feeling at the very least that Tauchman, Mastro, and Canario are all but cemented as 3/4 of the bench. The question is who takes that 4th spot. Bote is not on the 40 man , that's why we haven't seen him in a while and why I think he has no chance to make the team , but who knows what Counsell is thinking.
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Post by cfin on Mar 19, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5
If you're talking about adding Cooper or Smith to the roster, then Bote definitely deserves to be in that conversation as well.
Bote has some defensively versatility. He played a lot of shortstop last year in Iowa, so that helps. He's got limited innings in the outfield, if they are serious about considering him for a roster spot, I'd play him in the outfield a little bit more this spring.
I think the Cubs would be a bit more inclined to roster him this year than in years past, simply because this is the last year of his guaranteed contract. They would have to pass him through waivers before they could send him down again and since he's already been outrighted once, he can refuse another outright assignment, so they would have to eat the remainder of his salary. But at this point it's not too bad.
Bote and Mastrobuoni would effectively cover you for all 4 infield spots. And they also both have limited innings in the outfield. So yea, I could see Bote getting a roster spot (Kilian to the 60 day IL).
Cooper or Smith could get a roster spot if Wisdom starts the season on the IL, but you're going to have to find another player to hide on the 60 day IL or swing a trade or DFA someone. Cuas, Palencia, and Thompson would seem to be the most likely trade candidates to open a 40 man spot. Otherwise Canario would be next in line for Wisdom's roster spot.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 19, 2024 19:54:47 GMT -5
If you're talking about adding Cooper or Smith to the roster, then Bote definitely deserves to be in that conversation as well. Bote has some defensively versatility. He played a lot of shortstop last year in Iowa, so that helps. He's got limited innings in the outfield, if they are serious about considering him for a roster spot, I'd play him in the outfield a little bit more this spring. I think the Cubs would be a bit more inclined to roster him this year than in years past, simply because this is the last year of his guaranteed contract. They would have to pass him through waivers before they could send him down again and since he's already been outrighted once, he can refuse another outright assignment, so they would have to eat the remainder of his salary. But at this point it's not too bad. Bote and Mastrobuoni would effectively cover you for all 4 infield spots. And they also both have limited innings in the outfield. So yea, I could see Bote getting a roster spot (Kilian to the 60 day IL). Cooper or Smith could get a roster spot if Wisdom starts the season on the IL, but you're going to have to find another player to hide on the 60 day IL or swing a trade or DFA someone. Cuas, Palencia, and Thompson would seem to be the most likely trade candidates to open a 40 man spot. Otherwise Canario would be next in line for Wisdom's roster spot. I believe if he refuses to be outrighted that ends his contract and he gives up his salary and I doubt he's doing that. If he refuses the Cubs don't have to eat it, they are off the hook which they'd probably love to shed his contract. He's not giving up 5.5 million .
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Post by bryzzobrist on Mar 20, 2024 0:48:17 GMT -5
Does pwiz really need more than a week for back tightness?
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Post by TheChico on Mar 21, 2024 10:42:18 GMT -5
If you're talking about adding Cooper or Smith to the roster, then Bote definitely deserves to be in that conversation as well. Bote has some defensively versatility. He played a lot of shortstop last year in Iowa, so that helps. He's got limited innings in the outfield, if they are serious about considering him for a roster spot, I'd play him in the outfield a little bit more this spring. I think the Cubs would be a bit more inclined to roster him this year than in years past, simply because this is the last year of his guaranteed contract. They would have to pass him through waivers before they could send him down again and since he's already been outrighted once, he can refuse another outright assignment, so they would have to eat the remainder of his salary. But at this point it's not too bad. Bote and Mastrobuoni would effectively cover you for all 4 infield spots. And they also both have limited innings in the outfield. So yea, I could see Bote getting a roster spot (Kilian to the 60 day IL). Cooper or Smith could get a roster spot if Wisdom starts the season on the IL, but you're going to have to find another player to hide on the 60 day IL or swing a trade or DFA someone. Cuas, Palencia, and Thompson would seem to be the most likely trade candidates to open a 40 man spot. Otherwise Canario would be next in line for Wisdom's roster spot. I believe if he refuses to be outrighted that ends his contract and he gives up his salary and I doubt he's doing that. If he refuses the Cubs don't have to eat it, they are off the hook which they'd probably love to shed his contract. He's not giving up 5.5 million . I might be wrong but if the Cubs add him back to the 40 man roster and cut him again then the Cubs are on the hook for the remaining amount because they already outrighted him once prior, so Bote can decline and keep his full salary and enter free agency. Anyhow this is the final year of his deal, so I don't think that is a big deal anymore but I don't see the Cubs removing another guy from the 40 man to add Bote at this point, I would not be shocked at some point the Cubs try to do him a solid and release him and let him try to latch on with the team that can give him a chance in the majors again.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 21, 2024 11:08:13 GMT -5
I believe if he refuses to be outrighted that ends his contract and he gives up his salary and I doubt he's doing that. If he refuses the Cubs don't have to eat it, they are off the hook which they'd probably love to shed his contract. He's not giving up 5.5 million . I might be wrong but if the Cubs add him back to the 40 man roster and cut him again then the Cubs are on the hook for the remaining amount because they already outrighted him once prior, so Bote can decline and keep his full salary and enter free agency. Anyhow this is the final year of his deal, so I don't think that is a big deal anymore but I don't see the Cubs removing another guy from the 40 man to add Bote at this point, I would not be shocked at some point the Cubs try to do him a solid and release him and let him try to latch on with the team that can give him a chance in the majors again. Then if that's the case and you are right, that greatly decreases his odds of being added to the 40 man again.
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Post by skokiejoe on Mar 21, 2024 11:30:57 GMT -5
More camp cuts for the Cubs today:
RHP Daniel Palencia has been optioned to Triple-A Iowa.
Non-roster invitees RHP Colten Brewer, LHP Richard Lovelady, LHP Thomas Pannone and INF David Bote were assigned to minor league camp.
Cubs have 37 players left in camp.
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Post by skokiejoe on Mar 21, 2024 11:35:27 GMT -5
Revised March 21st
Cubs will carry 13 non pitchers who will they be?
Locks (10) Happ Bellinger Suzuki Tauchman Morel Swanson Hoerner Busch Amaya Gomes
My guess for the other 3 Masterbuoni Canario Cooper or Smith or Peralta
Madrigal and Wisdom on the IL
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Post by TheChico on Mar 21, 2024 11:50:00 GMT -5
Revised March 21st Cubs will carry 13 non pitchers who will they be? Locks (10) Happ Bellinger Suzuki Tauchman Morel Swanson Hoerner Busch Amaya Gomes My guess for the other 3 Masterbuoni Canario Cooper or Smith or Peralta Madrigal and Wisdom on the IL I am going with Cooper especially with Wisdom likely starting on the IL, so they need a guy who can mash lefties
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Post by TheChico on Mar 21, 2024 11:59:42 GMT -5
Rotation is set, Counsel confirmed Wicks and Assad won the final two spots and Smyly will pitch out of the pen.
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Post by rvn11 on Mar 21, 2024 12:44:42 GMT -5
Rotation is set, Counsel confirmed Wicks and Assad won the final two spots and Smyly will pitch out of the pen. I like this. Even though I think Assad could be better as the swing/long man than Smyly, he deserves his shot at the rotation, and I don't want to see Smyly starting anymore.
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Post by TheChico on Mar 21, 2024 13:11:26 GMT -5
Rotation is set, Counsel confirmed Wicks and Assad won the final two spots and Smyly will pitch out of the pen. I like this. Even though I think Assad could be better as the swing/long man than Smyly, he deserves his shot at the rotation, and I don't want to see Smyly starting anymore. Same... Assad underlying numbers are underwhelming but all he has done since getting to the majors is he gets the job done so as long he keeps doing that the Cubs are in good shape.
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Post by kfidd on Mar 21, 2024 13:12:38 GMT -5
Sucks about Palencia but the pen is loaded with guys who have no options. Hopefully he finds his way back soon.
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