|
Post by cfin on Sept 28, 2023 19:34:33 GMT -5
Well yes it is, sorry to bust facts here, heard this on the score, Since Sept 16th cubs have held lead in 7 different innings on the road in the 8th or later they have blown the lead in bottom half of that inning in all 7 of those innings, no other MLB team in the modern era has blown the lead in more than five straight road innings in the 8th or later in which they held a lead this is one of the worst stretches of Road late inning relief pitching in the history of baseball that's how bad it is. you know y’all busting each others chops splitting hairs over word definitions are missing the point. This has been a helluva year, much better than most of expected. We are playing meaningful games at the end of September for the first time in a couple years and can realistically look forward to things getting better in the coming years. Call it what you will but Cubs baseball is relevant again & should get better. Go Cubs I agree. Exciting times for next year. But, I think I'd just prefer they go ahead and fold for this season rather than watch the heartache of trying to get into the playoffs in these last 3 games.
Doesn't take away anything going into next season. It's not a failure if they don't make the playoffs this year. But it proves how important it is to win games in April and May.
|
|
|
Post by okeecub on Sept 28, 2023 19:38:07 GMT -5
you know y’all busting each others chops splitting hairs over word definitions are missing the point. This has been a helluva year, much better than most of expected. We are playing meaningful games at the end of September for the first time in a couple years and can realistically look forward to things getting better in the coming years. Call it what you will but Cubs baseball is relevant again & should get better. Go Cubs I agree. Exciting times for next year. But, I think I'd just prefer they go ahead and fold for this season rather than watch the heartache of trying to get into the playoffs in these last 3 games.
Doesn't take away anything going into next season. It's not a failure if they don't make the playoffs this year. But it proves how important it is to win games in April and May.
yeah a few of them we threw away in May would be huge right now. Just got to hope Miami loses tonight then we just gotta win 1 more than them this weekend
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 28, 2023 20:42:21 GMT -5
Not even close to historic. Would you not have to be in a very strong position to make the playoffs at one point for it to be one for the ages? What was the biggest lead they had on a playoff spot 2-3 games over the 3rd WC spot , they never had the WC spot lead or the division so it's not really even a choke job Well yes it is, sorry to bust facts here, heard this on the score, Since Sept 16th cubs have held lead in 7 different innings on the road in the 8th or later they have blown the lead in bottom half of that inning in all 7 of those innings, no other MLB team in the modern era has blown the lead in more than five straight road innings in the 8th or later in which they held a lead this is one of the worst stretches of Road late inning relief pitching in the history of baseball that's how bad it is. So we are using "choke job " to fit the narrative of blowing leads late in games , and not being in a great position to make the playoffs and then missing them ? Ok, then I see the point , that's way different than a team blowing like a 6 game lead with a week to go which is usually the kind of scenario the term is used for.
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 28, 2023 20:43:24 GMT -5
I agree. Exciting times for next year. But, I think I'd just prefer they go ahead and fold for this season rather than watch the heartache of trying to get into the playoffs in these last 3 games.
Doesn't take away anything going into next season. It's not a failure if they don't make the playoffs this year. But it proves how important it is to win games in April and May.
yeah a few of them we threw away in May would be huge right now. Just got to hope Miami loses tonight then we just gotta win 1 more than them this weekend Can't really look at it that way because every team "throws away" games at one point or another in a season.
|
|
|
Post by okeecub on Sept 28, 2023 20:46:32 GMT -5
yeah a few of them we threw away in May would be huge right now. Just got to hope Miami loses tonight then we just gotta win 1 more than them this weekend Can't really look at it that way because every team "throws away" games at one point or another in a season. oh I know, just wishful thinking as our ship seems to be slowly sinking
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 28, 2023 20:52:22 GMT -5
Can't really look at it that way because every team "throws away" games at one point or another in a season. oh I know, just wishful thinking as our ship seems to be slowly sinking not exactly slowly anymore
|
|
|
Post by zeke on Sept 28, 2023 21:56:28 GMT -5
The eternal optimist notes that if the Cubs win 3 and the Rattlers lose 3 we are in (Houston is hungry and could sweep). If the Cubs win 2 and the Fish lose 3 to the Pirates we are in. Also if the Cubs win 3 and the Fish lose 2 we are in. Not an impossible task.
|
|
|
Post by bryzzobrist on Sept 28, 2023 22:05:57 GMT -5
18.3% playoff odds now
|
|
|
Post by foolforthecity on Sept 28, 2023 22:15:19 GMT -5
The eternal optimist notes that if the Cubs win 3 and the Rattlers lose 3 we are in (Houston is hungry and could sweep). If the Cubs win 2 and the Fish lose 3 to the Pirates we are in. Also if the Cubs win 3 and the Fish lose 2 we are in. Not an impossible task. Love the optimism dude, but I really don’t see a sweep in the cards. I think all the confidence and swagger of August is gone.
|
|
|
Post by 2mileshighillini on Sept 28, 2023 23:24:53 GMT -5
Not even close to historic. Would you not have to be in a very strong position to make the playoffs at one point for it to be one for the ages? What was the biggest lead they had on a playoff spot 2-3 games over the 3rd WC spot , they never had the WC spot lead or the division so it's not really even a choke job Well yes it is, sorry to bust facts here, heard this on the score, Since Sept 16th cubs have held the lead in 7 different innings on the road in the 8th or later they have blown the lead in bottom half of that inning in all 7 of those innings, no other MLB team in the modern era has blown the lead in more than five straight road innings in the 8th or later in which they held a lead this is one of the worst stretches of Road late inning relief pitching in the history of baseball that's how bad it is. It's true that we've lost a lot of late inning leads. But a big reason why we've seen so many late innings with a lead is because we scored first, in extra innings. 95% of the "History of Baseball" did not have a ghost runner in extra innings. So, in this case, the numbers that you're using are skewed. You can't compare Ghost Runner leads to the "History of Baseball". (3 Ghost Runner Leads vs AZ - 0 Normal Late Leads). Although AZ did tie that game in the 6th. (1 Ghost Runner Lead vs ATL - 3 Normal Late Leads). So, (if you don't count Ghost Runners) in this dreadful timeline, the Cubs have lost 3 One Run, Late Leads - to the 2023 Atlanta Braves (2 in one game - 1 in another game, when an Outfielder dropped a ridiculously easy Fly Ball). And they did that, when they didn't have their top 2, Late Inning guys in the Bullpen. I don't think anybody is confusing that to the worst stretch of blown late leads, in the History of Baseball. Or the worst collapse in the History of Baseball ( Which is laughable to suggest). BTW: The 2 times we did beat the Braves were... 1) Won by Fulmer - Finished by Alzolay 2) Won by Steele - Held by Fulmer (Entered w/Bases Loaded) - Saved by Alzolay.
|
|
|
Post by Cubtastic on Sept 29, 2023 5:53:25 GMT -5
Well yes it is, sorry to bust facts here, heard this on the score, Since Sept 16th cubs have held lead in 7 different innings on the road in the 8th or later they have blown the lead in bottom half of that inning in all 7 of those innings, no other MLB team in the modern era has blown the lead in more than five straight road innings in the 8th or later in which they held a lead this is one of the worst stretches of Road late inning relief pitching in the history of baseball that's how bad it is. So we are using "choke job " to fit the narrative of blowing leads late in games , and not being in a great position to make the playoffs and then missing them ? Ok, then I see the point , that's way different than a team blowing like a 6 game lead with a week to go which is usually the kind of scenario the term is used for. call it what you want, choke, not a choke, mild throat irritation, went down the wrong pipe, etc..facts are facts, it's historically bad, all time bad, record setting bad, a bad none of us will prob ever see again in our lifetimes. However people want to use fake positivity as a coping mechanism is between them and their therapist.
|
|
|
Post by rvn11 on Sept 29, 2023 8:35:47 GMT -5
So damn true.
|
|
|
Post by jpepitone on Sept 29, 2023 8:36:34 GMT -5
That’s below the Mendoza Line.🙁
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 29, 2023 8:49:01 GMT -5
So we are using "choke job " to fit the narrative of blowing leads late in games , and not being in a great position to make the playoffs and then missing them ? Ok, then I see the point , that's way different than a team blowing like a 6 game lead with a week to go which is usually the kind of scenario the term is used for. call it what you want, choke, not a choke, mild throat irritation, went down the wrong pipe, etc..facts are facts, it's historically bad, all time bad, record setting bad, a bad none of us will prob ever see again in our lifetimes. However people want to use fake positivity as a coping mechanism is between them and their therapist. I take it you are pretty young and haven't been a Cubs fan for many years.
|
|
|
Post by kfidd on Sept 29, 2023 9:41:31 GMT -5
Brewers opt to rest Peralta and Woodruff this series. We were already going to miss Burnes. Yes, things lined up with the same sentiment against Atlanta: this is the best case scenario for us. But the Brewers offense is nothing like that monstrosity we just faced.
Three games left. Three wins. Yes, if we make it to October baseball that means we are facing Milwaukee’s best. Worry about that if/when you get there. Win all three, give Pittsburgh and maybe New York a major chance to play major spoiler.
Edit: Houston, who is also fighting for their playoff lives, begins a three game finale in Arizona tonight. Anything can happen. Just need the Cubs to wake up.
|
|
|
Post by Cubtastic on Sept 29, 2023 10:30:27 GMT -5
call it what you want, choke, not a choke, mild throat irritation, went down the wrong pipe, etc..facts are facts, it's historically bad, all time bad, record setting bad, a bad none of us will prob ever see again in our lifetimes. However people want to use fake positivity as a coping mechanism is between them and their therapist. I take it you are pretty young and haven't been a Cubs fan for many years. 53, been there for 84, 2003 etc...how old I am has nothing to do with how historically bad this bullpen has been
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 29, 2023 11:44:44 GMT -5
I take it you are pretty young and haven't been a Cubs fan for many years. 53, been there for 84, 2003 etc...how old I am has nothing to do with how historically bad this bullpen has been I thought you were talking the team in general , not just the bullpen. Then I really have no counterpoint , lol. It's been a fucking nightmare the last month ever since Alzolay went down but even before then the guys who were decent most of the season like Lieter and Merryweather were starting to crumble and even he was showing some decline in his effectiveness but then when he went down it had a domino effect on the enitire pen because nobody could fill his role and the one guy who possibly could , Fulmer also went down. I think they just were over used and got burnt out , but to me it's not all totally on Ross , there were so many guys who were supposed to be the keys to the pen not contribute much at all like Thompson, Boxberger, Hughes , and Heuer who was expected to be back by mid season.
|
|
|
Post by bryzzobrist on Sept 29, 2023 11:48:40 GMT -5
My most recent season that I'm still sour about is 2019. We were expected to reach. This season, we were never even expected to reach until we got to that point. (Potentially) blowing the chance when you weren't expected to make it there anyway is not a historic choke.
|
|
|
Post by tedw on Sept 29, 2023 12:45:21 GMT -5
you know y’all busting each others chops splitting hairs over word definitions are missing the point. This has been a helluva year, much better than most of expected. We are playing meaningful games at the end of September for the first time in a couple years and can realistically look forward to things getting better in the coming years. Call it what you will but Cubs baseball is relevant again & should get better. Go Cubs I agree. Exciting times for next year. But, I think I'd just prefer they go ahead and fold for this season rather than watch the heartache of trying to get into the playoffs in these last 3 games.
Doesn't take away anything going into next season. It's not a failure if they don't make the playoffs this year. But it proves how important it is to win games in April and May.
I also hope in a sense that they don't make it. Normally I am one who believes if you get in, anything can happen. But after watching this team the last couple of weeks and how they just can't hold a lead, I just see more heartache in getting in. And I do want to be hopeful for next season, but their weakest aspect is the most hit and miss to fill. Even though it's a gamble getting any player, it's easier getting another good bat in the line-up or a TOR pitcher, but building a solid BP is so much harder. As others have said, good relievers can be so different from year to year, how do you build a good BP, reliably? Other than just hoping that those pitchers will do well this year?
|
|
|
Post by batman66 on Sept 29, 2023 13:02:44 GMT -5
My most recent season that I'm still sour about is 2019. We were expected to reach. This season, we were never even expected to reach until we got to that point. (Potentially) blowing the chance when you weren't expected to make it there anyway is not a historic choke. All that , plus I don't think they were ever more than 3 games up on the LAST wild card spot , so that's why I can't see this as a historic choke. A historic choke to me is like what the Mets did a few years ago and they were one of the best teams in the league and up in the division by around 10 games at one point fairy late in the season and then ended up totally missing the playoffs. Or last season even though they won 101 games they end up a wild card and lose. When a team that can win 101 is 1 and out in the playoffs that an epic choke. Not a wild card contender blowing a 3 game lead in the last weeks of a season.
|
|