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Post by sosacorks on May 20, 2016 15:50:56 GMT -5
Hill hasn't pitched more than 57 innings since 2007. He's a feel good story but any team that trades for him at the deadline would be taking a pretty big gamble. Yeah, its a gamble. Not a super prosoect gamble though. Vogs alone might get it done. Vogelbach alone is too much. Again he hasn't pitched over 57 innings in 10 years! He isn't going to keep this up and the Cubs don't need starting pitching. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:55:15 GMT -5
Hill hasn't pitched more than 57 innings since 2007. He's a feel good story but any team that trades for him at the deadline would be taking a pretty big gamble. Yeah, its a gamble. Not a super prosoect gamble though. Vogs alone might get it done. If Vogs alone didn't get it done, it would be a miracle. A lesser prospect should get it done. Hill is not a guy I would even target at this point. |
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Post by ddevonb on May 20, 2016 16:11:54 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. Hendricks and Hammel are fine for the regular season but they need someone better than them for the playoffs. They can't pitch more than six because they get out up. They need someone who can go 7/8. It may not be hill but someone needs to come. We saw what happened last season and Lackey isn't that much of an upgrade. Hendricks, Hammel, and Lackey are fine #4 playoff pitchers but they have a 1, 2, and three 4's. They need a 2/3 type. I'm not saying it can't be done, look at last season's royals, but history tells us that the outlier not the norm. They need to add someone to increase their chances. I think it is you that is under-rating the Cubs starters. Arrietta, Lester and Lackey are all guys who can regularly go 7... and it's still May. How many team have three guys that do that? Then Hammel and Hendricks. Lackey is a significant upgrade because he moved Hendricks to #5. I saw what happened last year. Hammel pitched great then got injured... then was not the same for the rest of the season. I think you mistake what is the outlier. In the last several world series, having the winning team having more that one starter go 7 in a win is the outlier. The Giants had 2 guys go 7 in 2012 and 3 in 2010. Every other year since 2010 teams have won with strong bullpens and only one starting going 7 in a win. As the year goes on the Cubs bullpen is likely to get better as one or two pitchers move up from the minors. As far as starters are concerned, the Cubs are in very good shape. If there are serious injuries, then it would make sense for the Cubs to trade to fill a hole if necessary... but that hole filler could also come from the minors. Deadline trades are made based on needs at the deadline. If players are playing well now that is good now. |
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Post by ddevonb on May 20, 2016 16:17:39 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be vogelbach. Could be a different prospect. I just mentioned him. Happ, give McKinney back to the As, whoever it might be that works. I wouldn't give up contrares or almora for Hill though. Hell, Hill for Soler straight up, I don't know. I don't hate the idea of having Hill as a starter but does that mean that you send down Kyle Hendricks & his 3.51 ERA (was 3.00 before last game) & 1.049 WHIP (outstanding)? Hill's ERA is better at 2.54 but has a higher WHIP at 1.128 so he is good but not all that much. That would be really hard to send Kyle down because he is one of the best #5 starters in all of baseball.. That would be really hard to send Kyle down because he is one of the best #3 starters in all of baseball. I know he's a 5 for the Cubs but the Cubs have 5 starters in the top 29 pitchers in the NL. Since there are only 15 teams in the NL, he's an easy 3 on most teams.  He has the 18th best starter WHIP in the entire MLB and the 51st in ERA. |
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Post by willybilliams on May 22, 2016 12:35:26 GMT -5
Starting pitching is a strength of the Cubs.... Our top five are as good if not better than anyone's. Along with that I'd have no problem using Cahill or Warren to fill in. Shoot, even Richard wouldn't be the worst to trot out there.
If/when Vogelbach gets traded its be more likely to bolster the pen IMO.
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Post by zegometer on May 22, 2016 16:08:38 GMT -5
Starting pitching is a strength of the Cubs.... Our top five are as good if not better than anyone's. Along with that I'd have no problem using Cahill or Warren to fill in. Shoot, even Richard wouldn't be the worst to trot out there. If/when Vogelbach gets traded its be more likely to bolster the pen IMO. Thank you! Trading for a position that is a strength for us and as deep as it is (with Wood, Cahill, Warren, etc) makes no sense at all... Bullpen trade would be cheaper, both in cost and in trading prospects, and focus on an area that has some of us concerned already, especially while currently lacking a true left handed specialist on the roster |
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