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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 16, 2020 9:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by fine09 on Jul 16, 2020 10:39:16 GMT -5
Maybe so combined with the fact that they really don't know if Phegley will hit a lick or play the position well. It seems silly to finally have a DH but continue to send somebody up there that might be hitting like a pitcher unless he is a stellar receiver which Phegley is not at all known for.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 16, 2020 11:00:31 GMT -5
Surprise signing for me.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 16, 2020 11:16:06 GMT -5
Will go to South Bend to work with the Taxi Squad.
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Post by ddevonb on Jul 16, 2020 13:23:48 GMT -5
Maybe so combined with the fact that they really don't know if Phegley will hit a lick or play the position well. It seems silly to finally have a DH but continue to send somebody up there that might be hitting like a pitcher unless he is a stellar receiver which Phegley is not at all known for. How could they not know about Phegley. He has played several years as a MLB back up catcher. He's got a good arm and his biggest plus is some power. He hit 12 HRs as a backup last year. But as a third catcher he won't catch much, but will be insurance behind the other guys to allow both of them to be in the lineup at the same time... and some pop off of the bench.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 16, 2020 13:44:01 GMT -5
I'm hoping this means they're just signing insurance should one of the catchers go down or Rizzo have lingering back issues this season. If Rizzo is out, the general thought is probably Caratini at 1b, and either Phegley or Willy at Catcher and/or DH. Just giving more options and insurance should something happen and a domino effect occur. If anything it shows me that the team has zero interest in trusting Amaya to handle the job from the taxi squad if need be. If you want to go conspiracy theorist it gives them backup should Willy get traded... which I hope doesn't happen.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 16, 2020 13:49:53 GMT -5
Pitchers Tyson Miller & Cory Abbott and catcher José Lobatón added to Cubs 60-man roster and headed to South Bend
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Post by threeandone on Jul 16, 2020 14:19:09 GMT -5
This is all about Rizzo and freeing up Caratini.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 16, 2020 14:47:23 GMT -5
Maybe so combined with the fact that they really don't know if Phegley will hit a lick or play the position well. It seems silly to finally have a DH but continue to send somebody up there that might be hitting like a pitcher unless he is a stellar receiver which Phegley is not at all known for. How could they not know about Phegley. He has played several years as a MLB back up catcher. He's got a good arm and his biggest plus is some power. He hit 12 HRs as a backup last year. But as a third catcher he won't catch much, but will be insurance behind the other guys to allow both of them to be in the lineup at the same time... and some pop off of the bench. Oh you'll get no argument from me there. He has the potential to be a good bat but he does grade out as a poorer defensive catcher than most. That was all I was saying.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 16, 2020 14:56:46 GMT -5
Could be a number of things.
Veeran insurance if they are not contending and they decide to deal Contreras during the season.
Good guy to have work with young pitchers at South Bend.
Another catcher in the waiting if Caratini ends up playing a lot of 1b.
Pretty sure Amaya is on the taxi squad more so to be able to be traded than play for the Cubs this season. Im not saying he will be traded, just that players cant be if they are on the 60 man.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 16, 2020 15:00:14 GMT -5
Pitchers Tyson Miller & Cory Abbott and catcher José Lobatón added to Cubs 60-man roster and headed to South Bend Surprised that Zach Short is still not added, I cannot see the Cubs going with only 2 legit SS on the 60 man. EDIT: they did add Hernan Perez, so they got a 3rd guy that can play SS. I know Bote can play SS but need to avoid that option.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 16, 2020 15:01:00 GMT -5
"Veeran insurance if they are not contending and they decide to deal Contreras during the season."
No chance... I can't think of any reason why it would be a good idea to trade Willy this season while he's under control for 2 more years in 21 and 22. I would really really hate the Cubs if they did that.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 16, 2020 15:10:32 GMT -5
That is EXACTLY why you trade Willy. Especially if he is raking like he has been. With 2 years left of control his value would be sky high. If they dont plan on extending him and they may not since the system is loaded with catching, there would not be a better time than now or this winter.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 16, 2020 15:20:27 GMT -5
To be clear I am not in favor of trading Willy. But if they decide he is a guy they wont extend because of the catching depth they have I would totally understand going with Caratini and whoever until Amaya is ready and they have other solid catching prospects after Amaya so Contreres would be a highly valuable trade chip, especially with 2 years of control.
They cant extend all these guys so it makes sense to trade a guy at peak value and at a position your system is deep at.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 16, 2020 15:37:54 GMT -5
To be clear I am not in favor of trading Willy. But if they decide he is a guy they wont extend because of the catching depth they have I would totally understand going with Caratini and whoever until Amaya is ready and they have other solid catching prospects after Amaya so Contreres would be a highly valuable trade chip, especially with 2 years of control. They cant extend all these guys so it makes sense to trade a guy at peak value and at a position your system is deep at. I agree, Willy will eventually be dealt, I highly doubt during the 2020 season but I can see during the offseason to add needs in other areas like pitching and additional payroll to extend the core pieces. Willy can bring a huge haul in return and still have a quality catching option in Caratini until the prospects are ready.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 16, 2020 15:44:18 GMT -5
"Veeran insurance if they are not contending and they decide to deal Contreras during the season." No chance... I can't think of any reason why it would be a good idea to trade Willy this season while he's under control for 2 more years in 21 and 22. I would really really hate the Cubs if they did that. Weren't they rumored to be dangling him this offseason in trade talks? I don't want them to lose anybody, but eventually some guys might have to go. They've got the depth at the position and his control and price tag would help net them a better return, perhaps a young controllable arm. I certainly don't want them to do it as he's actually proven himself and I think he's poised to break out in the next few years, but if you're looking for a mild reset in the future he's an option. They might have even been able to combo him with a higher priced arm (Q, Chatwood, Kimbrel, etc) to get something and reset for next year's luxury tax number. I'd certainly prefer they move Caratini and sign Willy to an extension, but I don't think Caratini is known well enough to command a great return; he'd be a great add for another team on a discount.
At this point it's simply speculation but it's kind of a curious move given how much depth they have at the position.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 16, 2020 16:14:57 GMT -5
Yeah. but the asking price was said to be ridiculous, which it should be .
I would hate to see him go too, but the value they could get back could help the future more than having him for 2 more years.
Or I would have no issues if they do extend Willy.
I just see his trade value about to peak and with the depth they have at catcher in the system even if Amaya crashes they have others. It makes sense for Willy to be dealt more so than others. Cant keep them all as much as I wish they could.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 17, 2020 8:58:47 GMT -5
That is EXACTLY why you trade Willy. Especially if he is raking like he has been. With 2 years left of control his value would be sky high. If they dont plan on extending him and they may not since the system is loaded with catching, there would not be a better time than now or this winter. No it's not. Teams already said they are not willing to trade top prospects during this pandemic/shortened season. This is exactly why you DO NOT trade Willy this year. You won't get fair value. IMO, Willy will be an NL MVP candidate this year.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 17, 2020 9:01:50 GMT -5
To be clear I am not in favor of trading Willy. But if they decide he is a guy they wont extend because of the catching depth they have I would totally understand going with Caratini and whoever until Amaya is ready and they have other solid catching prospects after Amaya so Contreres would be a highly valuable trade chip, especially with 2 years of control. They cant extend all these guys so it makes sense to trade a guy at peak value and at a position your system is deep at. I agree, Willy will eventually be dealt, I highly doubt during the 2020 season but I can see during the offseason to add needs in other areas like pitching and additional payroll to extend the core pieces. Willy can bring a huge haul in return and still have a quality catching option in Caratini until the prospects are ready. I'm not against trading Willy at some point, this season is just not the season to do it. Theo even said it himself, he doesn't think it will be easy to trade guys this year and also doesn't think it's morally the right thing to do during a pandemic (IMO that means "I can't get fair value")
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Post by batman66 on Jul 17, 2020 9:23:04 GMT -5
Teams might not trade a top prospect during this season for a rental . But why in the world would they not for a guy that also comes with two more years of control? That doesnt make sense that they would put future years of possibly getting a player they want in the scrap heap because of a shortened season this season. A team trading for Willy would not be trading for him just to win in 2020.
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