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Post by ddevonb on Apr 20, 2019 21:15:08 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling Morrow is done for the year. I also have a bad feeling Lester is out till Mid-May Lester wiil be back sooner. "Maddon wouldn’t say when Lester would be back but wouldn’t rule out the upcoming midweek series against the Dodgers after a “rigorous” sim game. “It’s not impossible,” Maddon said."
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Post by ddevonb on Apr 20, 2019 21:18:57 GMT -5
#Cubs say Morrow threw a side session earlier this week and felt good pitching, but the recovery wasn't what it should be. This is similar to what he was experiencing last year. He will be shut down for a period & his timeline is unknown. "“The bounce-back after the last time out wasn’t as good, so we’ve got to back off him once again and slow things down,” Maddon said. “It’s just where he’s at. It’s not unlike what had been going on earlier (with Morrow). It was all trending very well.”" I think by earlier, he is meaning earlier this spring. He is not saying ti was like last year.
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Post by carryonmyheywardson on Apr 20, 2019 23:16:40 GMT -5
The market for Craig Kimbrel keeps improving. The Braves, Brewers and now the Cubs could all use him. Literally every fanbase in MLB says they need Craig Kimbrel.
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Post by carryonmyheywardson on Apr 20, 2019 23:17:50 GMT -5
Not a surprise at all. I would be surprised if he contributed much of anything at all this year. They also do not need to sign Kimbrel. That would compounding a bad signing with another bad signing. Cubs have some big issues now with the wasted bucks they are shelling out. They are going to have to figure it out with what they have, for better or worse. Theo is going to have to do what he should have done in the offseason and make trades. Could see Happ/Russell getting involved
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 1:24:27 GMT -5
All three could have used him as soon as free agency opened so I don't see how his market is improving. I get what you are saying, all three have injury issues which make him more of a fit than even before, but nobody seems anxious to sign him. None wanted to pay anything near what he wanted before and now that he's reportedly finally lowered demands , it's still puzzling why he is not a Brewer or Brave already. The problem is , how long is it going to take him to get into game shape and be sharp. You sign him now, when can you expect him to start helping you ? You have to at least give him a month, you don’t want to rush him like the Cardinals did with Holland last year. Anyhow , I don’t see the Cubs going after Kimbrel anyways, he his AAV will likely put the Cubs over the 3rd tier and drop 10 spots in the draft and also having to give up a comp pick too, that is just not going to happen. I see the Cubs going after Will Smith or Tony Watson or even both Will Smith the actor? Does he pitch and isn't he like 51 now? 😁😁😁
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Post by batman66 on Apr 21, 2019 8:25:56 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling Morrow is done for the year. I also have a bad feeling Lester is out till Mid-May Well hopefully you are wrong on both feelings. You are already wrong on one . Lester is expected to be activated for the upcoming Dodgers series. Joe said he looked very good during a sim game he pitched yesterday.
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Post by skokiejoe on Apr 21, 2019 10:05:18 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling Morrow is done for the year. I also have a bad feeling Lester is out till Mid-May Well hopefully you are wrong on both feelings. You are already wrong on one . Lester is expected to be activated for the upcoming Dodgers series. Joe said he looked very good during a sim game he pitched yesterday. Had bad info about Lester I thought the Sim game had been delayed. That would be great if he pitches Thursday against the Dodgers.
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Post by teko on Apr 21, 2019 11:34:11 GMT -5
Theo is going to have to do what he should have done in the offseason and make trades. Could see Happ/Russell getting involved Dont think either one has much value. Russell hasn't shown he can be more than a defensive replacement in years and Happ is getting overpowered by AAA pitching. But then again the Phillies managed to make a trade for Segura with JP Crawford as the centerpiece so who knows. Crawford has never been worth the hype and hes been terrible in MLB so fingers crossed.
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Post by carryonmyheywardson on Apr 21, 2019 18:03:25 GMT -5
Could see Happ/Russell getting involved Dont think either one has much value. Russell hasn't shown he can be more than a defensive replacement in years and Happ is getting overpowered by AAA pitching. But then again the Phillies managed to make a trade for Segura with JP Crawford as the centerpiece so who knows. Crawford has never been worth the hype and hes been terrible in MLB so fingers crossed. The question you have to ask yourself isn't if their value is low, the question you need to ask are these guys' value going to increase a lot the next few years. If the answer to that is yes then you can keep them for a bit and they can contribute for a while. If the answer is no, you make the deal asap. I don't think you are going to get dog crap for those guys if you trade them now. You won't probably get an amazing player but it can be decent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 16:14:44 GMT -5
#Cubs say Morrow threw a side session earlier this week and felt good pitching, but the recovery wasn't what it should be. This is similar to what he was experiencing last year. He will be shut down for a period & his timeline is unknown. This was always the concern regarding Morrow and why I for one never believed that the Cubs could count on Morrow as their closer. What sucks is at this point, I don't think you can go out and sign Kimbrel either because he is going to need so much time to get ready for the season. Although both Hamels and Zobrist are playing well, I brought up the concern that they needed to invest in the bullpen, that the pen got by with a lot of smoke and mirrors last season, this season it's catching up with them. We are going to be shitting ourselves with this pen if we make it to the post season without improvements.
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Post by batman66 on May 1, 2019 10:02:05 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen
Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break
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Post by TheChico on May 1, 2019 10:10:09 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break the the inital minor elbow issue will now cost Morrow a whole season of games now. hopefully the KY Jelly they injected in his elbow will do the trick but sounds like one last ditch effort which I doubt will work, but we will see.. I also do think it is a minor elbow issue for most pitchers to overcome, but Morrow will all the arm issues all these years, I just think his body is telling him to give it up.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 1, 2019 10:29:49 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again.
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Post by batman66 on May 1, 2019 10:37:19 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. I think that's how we have to all look at it , if he does pitch again ........great. But they have to go forward not expecting to get anything more from him . Just totally wipe him out of the plans and season strategy and move forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 10:45:59 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. Which is why I wanted the Cubs to sign Kimbrel but whatever now. I didn't think for one second Morrow could be counted on this season.
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Post by ddevonb on May 1, 2019 11:22:52 GMT -5
update on Morrow from Wittenhymen Morrow had injection of synthetic lubricant in balky elbow Monday. Shut down for two weeks before he’ll be allowed to resume throwing program. Pushes best-case-scenario return near All-Star break Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. Well he's a sportswriter so he would know more than Theo would. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by TheChico on May 1, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -5
Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. Which is why I wanted the Cubs to sign Kimbrel but whatever now. I didn't think for one second Morrow could be counted on this season. Makes no sense to sign Kimbrel now and don't have to worry about any other team signing him either, nobody is going to give up a comp pick and will wait until after the draft and hope Kimbrel will accept a one year deal to see if his 2nd half decline was a fluke or things to come. In the meantime, let Morrow throw in a couple weeks and see if there is any improvement if not then shut him down for the year and collect some of the insurance money and use that to make a possible run on Kimbrel, but I have no clue how that effects the AAV.
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Post by ddevonb on May 1, 2019 11:23:42 GMT -5
Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. Which is why I wanted the Cubs to sign Kimbrel but whatever now. I didn't think for one second Morrow could be counted on this season. Even though the Cubs still think so?
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Post by TheChico on May 1, 2019 11:25:29 GMT -5
Brought it up in the game thread yesterday. Jesse Rogers doesn't think he'll pitcher for the Cubs ever again. Well he's a sportswriter so he would know more than Theo would. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) well most people don't think he will be back, I don't think the FO is counting on it anymore either. When you have to put lube in somebody elbow it is the last ditch effort. FO is not delusional, so I don't think they are depending or counting on him be back, he is a bonus if he does.
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Post by fine09 on May 1, 2019 11:42:02 GMT -5
Well he's a sportswriter so he would know more than Theo would. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) well most people don't think he will be back, I don't think the FO is counting on it anymore either. When you have to put lube in somebody elbow it is the last ditch effort. FO is not delusional, so I don't think they are depending or counting on him be back, he is a bonus if he does. Well the Cubs have no other choice than to try. If he can pitch well then great & if not then collect from ins. Either way they don’t sign Kimbrel now. The DFA list will grow now & you never know, maybe someone needs a change & dies well. Its sure happened before.
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