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Post by icewatkins on Jul 17, 2023 15:59:51 GMT -5
Just one. He's been the Manager for four years and has had zero success. He's 218-250. His lineups and bullpen management are horrific.
Why hasn't he been fired?
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jul 17, 2023 16:31:24 GMT -5
Because Joe Girardi doesn't want to interview for the job and get turned down again
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Post by batman66 on Jul 17, 2023 18:40:24 GMT -5
Just one. He's been the Manager for four years and has had zero success. He's 218-250. His lineups and bullpen management are horrific. Why hasn't he been fired? Because you really should not look at a managerial won/loss record in years a team is rebuilding , that's just common sense right there. Line ups , I'm not thrilled with at times , but he's lacking a true middle of the order hitter(s) to work with so ...... Bullpen , they are always a crap shoot and take time to fall into place , past seasons he's done quite well them , enough to the point the Cubs have turned some journeymen bullpen arms into possible future longer term pieces by having them have solid enough seasons to have other teams want them come deadline time. |
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Post by lu13cubbie on Jul 17, 2023 19:06:49 GMT -5
Just one. He's been the Manager for four years and has had zero success. He's 218-250. His lineups and bullpen management are horrific. Why hasn't he been fired? Because you really should not look at a managerial won/loss record in years a team is rebuilding , that's just common sense right there. Line ups , I'm not thrilled with at times , but he's lacking a true middle of the order hitter(s) to work with so ...... Bullpen , they are always a crap shoot and take time to fall into place , past seasons he's done quite well them , enough to the point the Cubs have turned some journeymen bullpen arms into possible future longer term pieces by having them have solid enough seasons to have other teams want them come deadline time. Right, you should look at how he handles young players, and develops them. |
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Post by icewatkins on Jul 17, 2023 19:29:42 GMT -5
Just one. He's been the Manager for four years and has had zero success. He's 218-250. His lineups and bullpen management are horrific. Why hasn't he been fired? Because you really should not look at a managerial won/loss record in years a team is rebuilding , that's just common sense right there. Line ups , I'm not thrilled with at times , but he's lacking a true middle of the order hitter(s) to work with so ...... Bullpen , they are always a crap shoot and take time to fall into place , past seasons he's done quite well them , enough to the point the Cubs have turned some journeymen bullpen arms into possible future longer term pieces by having them have solid enough seasons to have other teams want them come deadline time. Four years of rebuilding is acceptable? For a major market team in Chicago? Man... The Ricketts have you right where they want you. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 17, 2023 22:16:35 GMT -5
Because you really should not look at a managerial won/loss record in years a team is rebuilding , that's just common sense right there. Line ups , I'm not thrilled with at times , but he's lacking a true middle of the order hitter(s) to work with so ...... Bullpen , they are always a crap shoot and take time to fall into place , past seasons he's done quite well them , enough to the point the Cubs have turned some journeymen bullpen arms into possible future longer term pieces by having them have solid enough seasons to have other teams want them come deadline time. Four years of rebuilding is acceptable? For a major market team in Chicago? Man... The Ricketts have you right where they want you. Is it a rebuild? With the way Hoyer moves players, he reminds me of an 8 year old with his Pokemon cards.He has/had players to build around but he trades them, releases them or doesn't re-sign them. |
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 17, 2023 22:32:06 GMT -5
Four years of rebuilding is acceptable? For a major market team in Chicago? Man... The Ricketts have you right where they want you. Is it a rebuild? With the way Hoyer moves players, he reminds me of an 8 year old with his Pokemon cards.He has/had players to build around but he trades them, releases them or doesn't re-sign them. The correct word usage is retool, one can not use the word rebuild for financial and/or marketing factors. |
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 17, 2023 22:37:46 GMT -5
Guardians 11 Pirates 0
Cards 6 Marlins 4
Cards and Pirates 41-53
Cubs 43-50
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Post by bryzzobrist on Jul 18, 2023 0:12:15 GMT -5
I think I'm more annoyed by re-build/re-tool discussion than the actual thing 😄
Got a chuckle out of the pokemon card reference
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Post by southpaw773 on Jul 18, 2023 1:29:07 GMT -5
Everyone defending Ross is hilarious.
Enjoy the worlds largest beer garden.
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Post by thisbuds4u on Jul 18, 2023 4:34:05 GMT -5
Is it a rebuild? With the way Hoyer moves players, he reminds me of an 8 year old with his Pokemon cards.He has/had players to build around but he trades them, releases them or doesn't re-sign them. The correct word usage is retool, one can not use the word rebuild for financial and/or marketing factors. OH, just like using the term "fan appreciation week" instead of "yo suckers, Tom needs mo money week"? |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 18, 2023 8:14:43 GMT -5
Because you really should not look at a managerial won/loss record in years a team is rebuilding , that's just common sense right there. Line ups , I'm not thrilled with at times , but he's lacking a true middle of the order hitter(s) to work with so ...... Bullpen , they are always a crap shoot and take time to fall into place , past seasons he's done quite well them , enough to the point the Cubs have turned some journeymen bullpen arms into possible future longer term pieces by having them have solid enough seasons to have other teams want them come deadline time. Four years of rebuilding is acceptable? For a major market team in Chicago? Man... The Ricketts have you right where they want you. Do the math , it's not 4 years/seasons But lets start 4 seasons ago 2020 , while I don't like to even count the 2020 season for any player or team because of the extremely different and difficult situations it was played in , I guess we have to here if we are talking about Ross's days as the manager here 2020 they won the division , so not a rebuilding year 2021 they were in the mix until the 11 game losing streak and then had the sell off of the old core at the deadline because they were all about to be free agents, had they still been guys under years of control they would not have been traded away , so not really a rebuilding year , but it started the process half way through it , so if you want to , lets give it the title of half a season of rebuild 2022 obvious season in a rebuild where most transactions focused on stocking the farm and not the major league team although signing of Stroman and Suzuki were but again the season was clearly a rebuild/re-tool or whatever term one wants to give it. 2023 the beginning of transitioning back to being focused on the major league team winning and not stocking the farm , but it still can be labeled a rebuilding year altjough they did hope to contend. So in reality, depending on how one wants to look at it , it's not been 4 years of rebuilding , it's been 2-2.5 which is fairly damn quick for a rebuild |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 18, 2023 8:16:41 GMT -5
Everyone defending Ross is hilarious. Enjoy the worlds largest beer garden. Says the guy who has not said one postive thing about the Cubs in all the years you've been on here. |
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Post by irishcubfan on Jul 18, 2023 12:17:47 GMT -5
Four years of rebuilding is acceptable? For a major market team in Chicago? Man... The Ricketts have you right where they want you. Do the math , it's not 4 years/seasons But lets start 4 seasons ago 2020 , while I don't like to even count the 2020 season for any player or team because of the extremely different and difficult situations it was played in , I guess we have to here if we are talking about Ross's days as the manager here 2020 they won the division , so not a rebuilding year 2021 they were in the mix until the 11 game losing streak and then had the sell off of the old core at the deadline because they were all about to be free agents, had they still been guys under years of control they would not have been traded away , so not really a rebuilding year , but it started the process half way through it , so if you want to , lets give it the title of half a season of rebuild 2022 obvious season in a rebuild where most transactions focused on stocking the farm and not the major league team although signing of Stroman and Suzuki were but again the season was clearly a rebuild/re-tool or whatever term one wants to give it. 2023 the beginning of transitioning back to being focused on the major league team winning and not stocking the farm , but it still can be labeled a rebuilding year altjough they did hope to contend. So in reality, depending on how one wants to look at it , it's not been 4 years of rebuilding , it's been 2-2.5 which is fairly damn quick for a rebuild What has the team been rebuilt into? Low 70 win team to mid 70 win team with a good farm system with many decent to good prospects who may not be difference makers? In these years, we haven't seen much of anything to get excited about (among non vets) with exception of hot spurts from Morel, the consistency of Happ and the emergence of Steele. With a manager who sticks with veterans at almost all cost we won't see much progress or answers from the rebuild until he is gone. Think it is pretty safe to say that the Cubs likely would not have won the division if it was a full year in 20. If I recall correctly, they started hot and than played bad to average baseball the rest of the way. And they were clearly outclassed in the playoffs on the field and in the dugout. |
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Post by batman66 on Jul 18, 2023 12:34:03 GMT -5
Do the math , it's not 4 years/seasons But lets start 4 seasons ago 2020 , while I don't like to even count the 2020 season for any player or team because of the extremely different and difficult situations it was played in , I guess we have to here if we are talking about Ross's days as the manager here 2020 they won the division , so not a rebuilding year 2021 they were in the mix until the 11 game losing streak and then had the sell off of the old core at the deadline because they were all about to be free agents, had they still been guys under years of control they would not have been traded away , so not really a rebuilding year , but it started the process half way through it , so if you want to , lets give it the title of half a season of rebuild 2022 obvious season in a rebuild where most transactions focused on stocking the farm and not the major league team although signing of Stroman and Suzuki were but again the season was clearly a rebuild/re-tool or whatever term one wants to give it. 2023 the beginning of transitioning back to being focused on the major league team winning and not stocking the farm , but it still can be labeled a rebuilding year altjough they did hope to contend. So in reality, depending on how one wants to look at it , it's not been 4 years of rebuilding , it's been 2-2.5 which is fairly damn quick for a rebuild What has the team been rebuilt into? Low 70 win team to mid 70 win team with a good farm system with many decent to good prospects who may not be difference makers? In these years, we haven't seen much of anything to get excited about (among non vets) with exception of hot spurts from Morel, the consistency of Happ and the emergence of Steele. With a manager who sticks with veterans at almost all cost we won't see much progress or answers from the rebuild until he is gone. Think it is pretty safe to say that the Cubs likely would not have won the division if it was a full year in 20. If I recall correctly, they started hot and than played bad to average baseball the rest of the way. And they were clearly outclassed in the playoffs on the field and in the dugout. My mention of 2020 was in a response to somebody saying they've been rebuilding for 4 years . I don't know what they've been rebuilt into , it's not a finished product yet , but it looks like the plan is pitching and defense and not just out slug everybody like they molded the past team into because that has trouble flying come playoff time. But with pitching and defense you still need a legit slugger or two and I'm not sure where they will get that from and that's why it makes no sense to not try to do everything to keep a guy like Bellinger who can be one of the sluggers you need plus he does so much more on top of that , defense, baserunning , and just has the vibe of being a star player. I've been saying the only thing that makes sense to me for where they are with what they have and where they hope to get to is Ohtani and I truly believe they have no chance in that happening although they might think they do , Jed's just not going to have the balls to go to what it would take to land him and I don't think Ricketts does either so I'm not sure what to make of this. The only other possible train of thought they might have is the slug is going to come from within with guys like Canario and Caissie , both do have enormous power potential but also do have flaws that make them possible busts in the majors. |
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Post by zeke on Jul 18, 2023 13:03:10 GMT -5
Although I am concerned about Ross, what could he have done with the team Hoyer assembled (ie no major-league starting catcher,first base,third base, set-up relief pitcher,closer and only 3 legitimate starters)?
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