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Post by cfin on Mar 27, 2024 9:32:49 GMT -5
Montgomery just signed with the Diamondbacks. Damn... NL is going to be very tough this year. Update: 1/25 wow!! boras is not winning agent of the year award I'm really shocked that he signed.
At this point, it made better sense to pull a Kimbrel and wait until after the draft. You'd have more teams willing to sign him without losing a draft pick. You probably have more teams willing to sign him since there would be a better idea of who the contenders are. Contenders are always looking to add pitching midseason, and he would have been available for nothing but money.
Sign a one year deal for half a season and then re-enter the market.
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Post by cfin on Mar 27, 2024 9:33:57 GMT -5
Gerrit Cole also has an opt out after this season and he's a Boras guy. Not sure how the injury will play out, but he's got 4/144 remaining at age 34. After this offseason, I think he'd be crazy to opt out.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 27, 2024 9:34:13 GMT -5
Agreed.... well, Juan Soto's agent is Boras and Boras may take this offseason out on teams with Soto next offseason He should not have the issues getting Soto a contract that he had with his clients this season . But then maybe he will, he's probably going to shoot to better Ohtani's deal and I don't think he will get that , Juan don't pitch too.
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Post by fine09 on Mar 27, 2024 10:18:54 GMT -5
Montgomery just signed with the Diamondbacks. Damn... NL is going to be very tough this year. Update: 1/25 wow!! boras is not winning agent of the year award I'm really shocked that he signed.
At this point, it made better sense to pull a Kimbrel and wait until after the draft. You'd have more teams willing to sign him without losing a draft pick. You probably have more teams willing to sign him since there would be a better idea of who the contenders are. Contenders are always looking to add pitching midseason, and he would have been available for nothing but money.
Sign a one year deal for half a season and then re-enter the market.
Montgomery was traded last year so signing him wouldn't have cost the team anything but money. I am shocked that he was signed for 25 mil but as Bat mentioned he really isn't an ace but he is a very solid #2 that simply eats innings every year at a high level so easily worth the money & only needs a 3 WAR to be worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 10:50:35 GMT -5
OT: Cubs valued at 5.3B according to Gammons. 4th most valueable MLB club.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Mar 27, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -5
Gerrit Cole also has an opt out after this season and he's a Boras guy. Not sure how the injury will play out, but he's got 4/144 remaining at age 34. After this offseason, I think he'd be crazy to opt out. I think if there are hints that he can do better than 4/144 I can see it. Cole is probably still the best pitcher in baseball. I'm not talking a new 7-8 year deal, I'm talking the same 4, maybe 5, years with more than 144 million.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 27, 2024 11:22:46 GMT -5
After this offseason, I think he'd be crazy to opt out. I think if there are hints that he can do better than 4/144 I can see it. Cole is probably still the best pitcher in baseball. I'm not talking a new 7-8 year deal, I'm talking the same 4, maybe 5, years with more than 144 million. I could see max 4/180 if he finishes this season healthy and throwing like he usually does. Teams were paying Mad Max and Verlander 43.33 A year , shorter deals though but Cole has a lot more left in him than they do.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 27, 2024 11:26:19 GMT -5
Gerrit Cole also has an opt out after this season and he's a Boras guy. Not sure how the injury will play out, but he's got 4/144 remaining at age 34. After this offseason, I think he'd be crazy to opt out. that was my initial thought, and 36 a year is crazy money as it is , but Max and Verlander got 43.33 a year , short deals but I could see Cole getting more than that since he is better and has more in the tank, but then again that was the Mets signing those guys to those deals. He should easily get alteast 40 and I'm sure Boras will shoot for that record AAV
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Mar 27, 2024 13:41:14 GMT -5
Dodgers and Will Smith wrapping up a 10 year 140 million extension.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 27, 2024 15:31:37 GMT -5
Dodgers and Will Smith wrapping up a 10 year 140 million extension. I can undestand extending him , he's a very good player , but why you would want to give a catcher who's going to turn 29 in a couple of days a 10 year contract is kind strange.
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Post by cfin on Mar 27, 2024 16:26:55 GMT -5
I'm really shocked that he signed.
At this point, it made better sense to pull a Kimbrel and wait until after the draft. You'd have more teams willing to sign him without losing a draft pick. You probably have more teams willing to sign him since there would be a better idea of who the contenders are. Contenders are always looking to add pitching midseason, and he would have been available for nothing but money.
Sign a one year deal for half a season and then re-enter the market.
Montgomery was traded last year so signing him wouldn't have cost the team anything but money. I am shocked that he was signed for 25 mil but as Bat mentioned he really isn't an ace but he is a very solid #2 that simply eats innings every year at a high level so easily worth the money & only needs a 3 WAR to be worth it. You are correct. For some reason I thought all of the Boras-4 had a qualifying offer attached to them, but they all did except for Montgomery. That makes waiting this long for him to sign all the more strange.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Mar 27, 2024 17:00:40 GMT -5
Dodgers and Will Smith wrapping up a 10 year 140 million extension. I can undestand extending him , he's a very good player , but why you would want to give a catcher who's going to turn 29 in a couple of days a 10 year contract is kind strange. The reason for the 10 year deal is that the aav sits at 14m. For a 4 war, hitting, fielding, stud catcher- not such a bad aav. Contreras is on a different tier and averages 17.5m aav per season.
Smith's actual worth is probably ~20m x 7 years. He does turn 29 tomorrow.
So they get a few freebies towards the end in case he still has value in his mid-late thirties. Smith gets to stick w/ a nice club.
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Post by TheChico on Mar 27, 2024 18:36:37 GMT -5
I can undestand extending him , he's a very good player , but why you would want to give a catcher who's going to turn 29 in a couple of days a 10 year contract is kind strange. The reason for the 10 year deal is that the aav sits at 14m. For a 4 war, hitting, fielding, stud catcher- not such a bad aav. Contreras is on a different tier and averages 17.5m aav per season.
Smith's actual worth is probably ~20m x 7 years. He does turn 29 tomorrow.
So they get a few freebies towards the end in case he still has value in his mid-late thirties. Smith gets to stick w/ a nice club.
And of course, $50 million of his contract will be deferred at $5 million per year from 2023-2043.
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Post by batman66 on Mar 27, 2024 18:58:13 GMT -5
I can undestand extending him , he's a very good player , but why you would want to give a catcher who's going to turn 29 in a couple of days a 10 year contract is kind strange. The reason for the 10 year deal is that the aav sits at 14m. For a 4 war, hitting, fielding, stud catcher- not such a bad aav. Contreras is on a different tier and averages 17.5m aav per season.
Smith's actual worth is probably ~20m x 7 years. He does turn 29 tomorrow.
So they get a few freebies towards the end in case he still has value in his mid-late thirties. Smith gets to stick w/ a nice club.
keeping down AAV's might mean a lot to some teams who try to stay under the luxury tax , but we are talking the Dodgers here.
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Post by Mike on Mar 28, 2024 10:01:30 GMT -5
30M bonus salary and a bunch of different money. 9M per last 3 seasons.
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Post by bryzzobrist on Mar 28, 2024 15:07:10 GMT -5
#1 payroll
Mets 300+m
Not expected to make the postseason (28%)
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Post by kfidd on Mar 29, 2024 8:22:00 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/players-who-sign-extensions-prior-to-mlb-debut-are-not-ppi-eligible.htmlI didn’t realize this but at least in the cited Chourio example I’m glad it works this way. Since the Brewers signed Chourio to an extension before his MLB debut he is not eligible for the prospect promotion incentive that could have otherwise netted the Brewers some juicy bonuses pending his placement in the rookie of the year voting. I wouldn’t want this to prevent clubs from doing the right thing with young prospects as they construct their rosters but again, at least in this example I’m cool with it since it potentially could hurt the Brewers. 😈
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Post by batman66 on Mar 29, 2024 11:36:27 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/players-who-sign-extensions-prior-to-mlb-debut-are-not-ppi-eligible.htmlI didn’t realize this but at least in the cited Chourio example I’m glad it works this way. Since the Brewers signed Chourio to an extension before his MLB debut he is not eligible for the prospect promotion incentive that could have otherwise netted the Brewers some juicy bonuses pending his placement in the rookie of the year voting. I wouldn’t want this to prevent clubs from doing the right thing with young prospects as they construct their rosters but again, at least in this example I’m cool with it since it potentially could hurt the Brewers. 😈 Kind of a dumb move then. I mean the kids pretty much a can't miss, but why not wait until he's played in the majors , especially when he's a legit ROY candidate that could net them an extra pick which I'm sure they would value , guess not.
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Post by kfidd on Mar 30, 2024 12:01:45 GMT -5
New Brewer DL Hall gets his first start with his new team today. Let’s hope he fails spectacularly.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 2, 2024 8:10:10 GMT -5
Clevinger back to WSox on a steal of a deal for them 3 million with possible 3 more in incentives.
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