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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 13:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by batman66 on Aug 14, 2023 14:04:56 GMT -5
Agree on Nightengale being wrong a ton. But I am also concerned with Happ & Suzuki's contracts somewhat hamstringing them unless they can get Seiya to wave his NTC which I don't believe will be very likely. I just can't see them eating that deal but potentially they could eat a portion & deal him to a small market team but there is where I can't see him waiving his NTC. Although I see Belli playing 1st. most of the time but also some CF too. You can usually get anybody to waive a NTC once they realize the team doesn't want you anymore not many players still want to be around , all it does it make it harder to trade them because they can control where they go and don't go. Having the DH makes things a lot easier, that's why I'm not that worried about both of them being signed long term . I know if they do sign Belli that he'll more than likely be playing mostly 1b , but imagine an OF with PCA in CF and him in RF , nothing is falling in that gap. |
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Post by holycow23 on Aug 14, 2023 14:05:11 GMT -5
Guess i should of phrased that differently. Tauchman has been a key to this years turnaround. Wouldnt have happened if not for Bellinger injury. Very good point & Tauchman has been instrumental to the Cubs & for what he makes vs what he has been worth it is hard to see anyone else of more value to them other than Steele. I think the Cubs keep him for next year but I also don't know that PCA starts with the Cubs out of spring training but who really knows at this point.. The cubs are 25 and 11 in games Tauchman starts and bats leadoff. He has really helped us turn the season around. PCA will have centerfield locked down hopefully for years to come. If it isnt the start of 2024 it will be sooner rather than later. Cubs might as well keep Tauchman around since he is cheap and hopefully this year isnt to much a flash in the pan. Hopefully we can keep Belly around and I see him most likely at first and maybe rightfield if Suzuki is moved. Belly started his MVP season in right and looked really good. It might get to a point this season if Seiya playing time keeps decreasing he might want a fresh start somewhere else. Maybe include some prospects in a deal for him. |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 14, 2023 14:16:17 GMT -5
Very good point & Tauchman has been instrumental to the Cubs & for what he makes vs what he has been worth it is hard to see anyone else of more value to them other than Steele. I think the Cubs keep him for next year but I also don't know that PCA starts with the Cubs out of spring training but who really knows at this point.. The cubs are 25 and 11 in games Tauchman starts and bats leadoff. He has really helped us turn the season around. PCA will have centerfield locked down hopefully for years to come. If it isnt the start of 2024 it will be sooner rather than later. Cubs might as well keep Tauchman around since he is cheap and hopefully this year isnt to much a flash in the pan. Hopefully we can keep Belly around and I see him most likely at first and maybe rightfield if Suzuki is moved. Belly started his MVP season in right and looked really good. It might get to a point this season if Seiya playing time keeps decreasing he might want a fresh start somewhere else. Maybe include some prospects in a deal for him. For sure they should keep Tauchman around for next season and I think they will , they seem to like him and like you said he's cheap and can play all OF spots and if he is a flash in the pan having a good season ala Ortega , then he's an easy cut when he comes back down to earth. I just don't see him being more than a possible platoon with Seiya , and a solid 4th OF / DH/ PH . He still might end up being the starting CF out of spring training , but I don't see PCA staying in Iowa long if it all in 2024 |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Aug 14, 2023 14:39:45 GMT -5
This is why I'm against trying to sign Ohtani. If $50 million a year is his asking price, that money could be better used to sign multiple players because they have multiple needs. Re-signing Bellinger seems like a no-brainer. Starting pitching has become a concern and 1st and 3rd base are question marks. And the bullpen could use an arm or two.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 14, 2023 14:44:08 GMT -5
If the Happ and Suzuki contracts are what keeps the Cubs from bringing Belli back, then I'm sorry, it's another money grab by Tommy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 14:57:37 GMT -5
This is why I'm against trying to sign Ohtani. If $50 million a year is his asking price, that money could be better used to sign multiple players because they have multiple needs. Re-signing Bellinger seems like a no-brainer. Starting pitching has become a concern and 1st and 3rd base are question marks. And the bullpen could use an arm or two. As of now I've seen where we could have up to 80M below the CBT. You subtract 23-25M for Belli and we are at 55M. You can probably get a decent pitcher for 20-22M but not Urias. It's too early to tell though what can or will happen. |
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Post by TheChico on Aug 14, 2023 15:11:29 GMT -5
Everybody is waiting for this regression from Bellinger, now in August and seems to be getting better which is unreal. The dude won a freaking MVP in 2019, give Bellinger some credit and maybe the those Dodgers made a mistake? Even smartest teams make evaluation and development mistakes it happens. I am not saying he is going to bat .330 going forward, but I do think the superstar version of him is back and even if he regress to a .270-.280 I will take that in a heartbeat.
Anyhow if the Cubs want to be serious contenders in 2024 they NEED Bellinger or make sure you sign Ohtani, there is no other option. It would be a major setback if they whiff on Ohtani and decide because they have Happ/Suzuki in the corner spot that there is no room for Bellinger which would be absolute BS. It can work, Bellinger can play 1B and help PCA in CF and take over if PCA struggles and need more time.
With Tauchman he will be 34 years old and this is highly likely a outliner season, I would not count he can continue this going into next season and should not depend on it but be happy if he can
Cubs are in the driver seat, they have a ton of options and the only way I would accept not signing Bellinger is because they signed Ohtani and that is it.
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Post by irishcubfan on Aug 14, 2023 15:42:39 GMT -5
Everybody is waiting for this regression from Bellinger, now in August and seems to be getting better which is unreal. The dude won a freaking MVP in 2019, give Bellinger some credit and maybe the those Dodgers made a mistake? Even smartest teams make evaluation and development mistakes it happens. I am not saying he is going to bat .330 going forward, but I do think the superstar version of him is back and even if he regress to a .270-.280 I will take that in a heartbeat. Anyhow if the Cubs want to be serious contenders in 2024 they NEED Bellinger or make sure you sign Ohtani, there is no other option. It would be a major setback if they whiff on Ohtani and decide because they have Happ/Suzuki in the corner spot that there is no room for Bellinger which would be absolute BS. It can work, Bellinger can play 1B and help PCA in CF and take over if PCA struggles and need more time. With Tauchman he will be 34 years old and this is highly likely a outliner season, I would not count he can continue this going into next season and should not depend on it but be happy if he can Cubs are in the driver seat, they have a ton of options and the only way I would accept not signing Bellinger is because they signed Ohtani and that is it. In favor of waiting for Soto. |
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Post by 2mileshighillini on Aug 14, 2023 15:57:41 GMT -5
If the Happ and Suzuki contracts are what keeps the Cubs from bringing Belli back, then I'm sorry, it's another money grab by Tommy. Money grab? After 2021, the Cubs signed Stroman, Taillon, Hoerner, Swanson, Happ, Suzuki & Bellinger. Plus, several others, to fill in and then traded for Candelario. A payroll that has this team on the very edge of the Threshold. Now, instead of being stuck with $380M worth of dead money, we have a well paid, Playoff Team & a top rated Farm System to boot. And we have wiggle room, in the future, to go whatever direction we choose. If that's a money grab, then sign me up for the next one. BTW: When it comes to building a contender & making the money spending decisions it takes to do so, allow me to say... "I'm sorry but, you're fired". |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 14, 2023 16:22:51 GMT -5
Everybody is waiting for this regression from Bellinger, now in August and seems to be getting better which is unreal. The dude won a freaking MVP in 2019, give Bellinger some credit and maybe the those Dodgers made a mistake? Even smartest teams make evaluation and development mistakes it happens. I am not saying he is going to bat .330 going forward, but I do think the superstar version of him is back and even if he regress to a .270-.280 I will take that in a heartbeat. Anyhow if the Cubs want to be serious contenders in 2024 they NEED Bellinger or make sure you sign Ohtani, there is no other option. It would be a major setback if they whiff on Ohtani and decide because they have Happ/Suzuki in the corner spot that there is no room for Bellinger which would be absolute BS. It can work, Bellinger can play 1B and help PCA in CF and take over if PCA struggles and need more time. With Tauchman he will be 34 years old and this is highly likely a outliner season, I would not count he can continue this going into next season and should not depend on it but be happy if he can Cubs are in the driver seat, they have a ton of options and the only way I would accept not signing Bellinger is because they signed Ohtani and that is it. Yep , I totally agree. The ONLY and I mean ONLY reason the Cubs should not go all in to sign Bellinger is if they are confident they can land Ohtani , not just think they can but know they can. |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 14, 2023 16:23:56 GMT -5
If the Happ and Suzuki contracts are what keeps the Cubs from bringing Belli back, then I'm sorry, it's another money grab by Tommy. Money grab? After 2021, the Cubs signed Stroman, Taillon, Hoerner, Swanson, Happ, Suzuki & Bellinger. Plus, several others, to fill in and then traded for Candelario. A payroll that has this team on the very edge of the Threshold. Now, instead of being stuck with $380M worth of dead money, we have a well paid, Playoff Team & a top rated Farm System to boot. And we have wiggle room, in the future, go whatever direction we choose. If that's a money grab, then sign me up for the next one. BTW: When it comes to building a contender & making the money spending decisions to do so, allow me to say... "I'm sorry but, you're fired". LMAO |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Aug 14, 2023 17:12:10 GMT -5
This is why I'm against trying to sign Ohtani. If $50 million a year is his asking price, that money could be better used to sign multiple players because they have multiple needs. Re-signing Bellinger seems like a no-brainer. Starting pitching has become a concern and 1st and 3rd base are question marks. And the bullpen could use an arm or two. As of now I've seen where we could have up to 80M below the CBT. You subtract 23-25M for Belli and we are at 55M. You can probably get a decent pitcher for 20-22M but not Urias. It's too early to tell though what can or will happen. You got the "who knows" right. My guess is the Cubs re-sign Bellinger and then trade for Pete Alonso. That's the best way to stop him from feasting on Cubs pitching. |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 14, 2023 18:18:58 GMT -5
As of now I've seen where we could have up to 80M below the CBT. You subtract 23-25M for Belli and we are at 55M. You can probably get a decent pitcher for 20-22M but not Urias. It's too early to tell though what can or will happen. You got the "who knows" right. My guess is the Cubs re-sign Bellinger and then trade for Pete Alonso. That's the best way to stop him from feasting on Cubs pitching. Well that or don't throw him a strike when they have the rest of the batting order hitting behind him filled with 4 of the 5 guys hitting under .200 Alonso is a bit of a d-bag and not known to be a great team chemistry guy so as much as I love the guys power , I don't really want to see him on the Cubs. |
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Post by thisbuds4u on Aug 15, 2023 3:47:40 GMT -5
You got the "who knows" right. My guess is the Cubs re-sign Bellinger and then trade for Pete Alonso. That's the best way to stop him from feasting on Cubs pitching. Well that or don't throw him a strike when they have the rest of the batting order hitting behind him filled with 4 of the 5 guys hitting under .200 Alonso is a bit of a d-bag and not known to be a great team chemistry guy so as much as I love the guys power , I don't really want to see him on the Cubs. That's if you believe Sal Licata's story on Alonso being a d-bag. He's a talk show host that doesn't even have access to the Mets clubhouse. He reminds me of Cowherd, Bayless and Sharpe, all are opinionated A-Holes. |
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Post by batman66 on Aug 15, 2023 8:25:10 GMT -5
Well that or don't throw him a strike when they have the rest of the batting order hitting behind him filled with 4 of the 5 guys hitting under .200 Alonso is a bit of a d-bag and not known to be a great team chemistry guy so as much as I love the guys power , I don't really want to see him on the Cubs. That's if you believe Sal Licata's story on Alonso being a d-bag. He's a talk show host that doesn't even have access to the Mets clubhouse. He reminds me of Cowherd, Bayless and Sharpe, all are opinionated A-Holes. I wasn't going by that , I live in NY and know Mets fans and even some of the ones who love the guy say he comes off most of the time as being a self centered d-bag . the clubhouse thing , who knows that could be like you say a talk show host trying to stir the pot to get attention which is VERY common in NY media. I've seen Christpher Russo say stuff just to create arguements and then when the segment is done clearly at one point by his actions you could clearly tell he didn't believe what he was trying to push from his side and you could see it because he isn't a good actor. |
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 15, 2023 10:12:00 GMT -5
Happ and Suzuki contracts keeping the Cubs from signing Belli hahahahahahaha that will be a funny one to defend, I'm sure some will.
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Post by kfidd on Aug 15, 2023 10:24:20 GMT -5
Happ and Suzuki contracts keeping the Cubs from signing Belli hahahahahahaha that will be a funny one to defend, I'm sure some will. It’s a good thing Jed didn’t listen to either you or me this past winter where we were both very against the Bellinger deal to begin with. |
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Post by kfidd on Aug 15, 2023 10:32:35 GMT -5
I’m going to try and learn my lesson from last offseason where I wanted Jed to blow open the payroll for guys like Turner, Correa, Abreu, and Mancini, all of whom have been quite disappointing *thus far. As far as I’m concerned Ohtani should be plan A, but since he’s likely to be the first domino to fall this winter before the more elite talents (Bellinger, Urias, etc), I don’t think there’s any risk or concern in thinking they have to pick a lane right out of the gate. If Ohtani is on their radar they can make a play for him and should they fail they can pivot in any other direction they choose.
A huge consideration of this off-season has to be the minor leagues. Rule 5 should be interesting enough as it is, but there is so much strong depth that’s been built that some guys they might be viewing as candidates for promotion just don’t have anywhere to go. Maybe a big trade and extension situation for a Soto or Alonso could be in play. Or maybe a young third baseman or starting pitcher can be acquired from somewhere. Whatever/however, I’m approaching this off-season with at least the intention of being more patient in how the early weeks/months of the offseason play out because it feels like there are multiple ways they can improve.
Not signing Ohtani or Bellinger or Urias, etc would be disheartening, but until the roster is set I’m going to remain optimistic that they’ll improve the club in steady and significant ways. Jed and company have earned that trust as far as I’m concerned, and it’s written in the depth and rankings of the farm system as well as the contending status of the current big league club.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Aug 15, 2023 11:09:42 GMT -5
Happ and Suzuki contracts keeping the Cubs from signing Belli hahahahahahaha that will be a funny one to defend, I'm sure some will. It’s a good thing Jed didn’t listen to either you or me this past winter where we were both very against the Bellinger deal to begin with. That's funny, because I literally said the way the Cubs were approaching the offseason, Belly was a perfect fit money-wise. I nailed Barnhart as well, fell free to bump it. I didn;t mind the signing actually. So good thing Jed didn't listen to you. |
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