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Post by batman66 on May 26, 2021 12:40:43 GMT -5
that starting pitcher was exactly the key move I had in mind. A TOR guy would be hard to come by and not sure if that would even be enough I really don't think that would be close to enough to make a difference in the playoffs - unless it is Ohtani because we seriously lack TOR arms AND hitters as we saw the last few years. If I saw even a 10% chance at a very deep playoff run then I wouldn't be suggesting this sell high scenario but we are far away from that. On paper they might be far away from looking like a team who could make a deep playoff run. But so far this season despite the ups and downs they've done fairly well against big name ace caliber starting pitchers and if the Cubs pen can hold up how dominating the've been lately and if they are not burned out by then ( their cusrrent workload scares me) all they need is for their starters to keep them in the game and hand it to the pen. I don't know what it is , but even though they have not taken off yet , and might not. This team has a different feeling around them to me this year. I think the team chemistry is better than it's been in a few years and I have a feeling they might surprise people if they get the chance to.
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Post by fine09 on May 26, 2021 14:24:09 GMT -5
Alcantara is out of options so when Nico returns he'd have to clear waivers to get sent back down and they'd probably lose him. Ortega will probably be up until they determine what Gordon has to offer. He'd been playing for the Brewers AAA team and hitting well up until he just got released when they traded for Adames . They will likely use the 34%% formula to determine Kimbrel Vesting option since 110/324 = 34%. So his finished game will likely be reduced to 76 games to meet the option and in 2020 and he only had 11 (18%) so he needs to finish 65 games this year to turn the team option to a vesting option. Not impossible but a major long shot. Also People have to take into consideration that is not not games pitched but games finished. Kimbrel option is likely going to be a team option, the Cubs are business first and they will make sure he does not make it or not on track by the deadline and use it as extra value if the Cubs do sell. Well if the Cubs have the right to extend him for the 15 mil. (16 mil or 1 mil buyout I believe) that is valuable for us AND any team we were to trade him to.
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Post by fine09 on May 26, 2021 14:38:20 GMT -5
I really don't think that would be close to enough to make a difference in the playoffs - unless it is Ohtani because we seriously lack TOR arms AND hitters as we saw the last few years. If I saw even a 10% chance at a very deep playoff run then I wouldn't be suggesting this sell high scenario but we are far away from that. On paper they might be far away from looking like a team who could make a deep playoff run. But so far this season despite the ups and downs they've done fairly well against big name ace caliber starting pitchers and if the Cubs pen can hold up how dominating the've been lately and if they are not burned out by then ( their cusrrent workload scares me) all they need is for their starters to keep them in the game and hand it to the pen. I don't know what it is , but even though they have not taken off yet , and might not. This team has a different feeling around them to me this year. I think the team chemistry is better than it's been in a few years and I have a feeling they might surprise people if they get the chance to. I know what you are saying & I sense the same thing. But, & it's a big butt.. Are we willing to risk/bet the next 3 to 5 years production on the Cubs that are hot staying hot & the ones that are struggling to turn it around? I'm really not.. As far as the BP, other than Kimbrel these guys are pretty much all pitching well above their career norms which is unlikely to continue to say the least. My biggest worry is even if we were to bring up another starting pitcher that does really well & the BP does continue to do fairly well there is still the same basic lineup facing good pitching & I have watched them year after year just be completely shut down in the playoffs. If we really want to go for it & see how we can do it is going to cost us a few of our top 15 prospects to deal for a couple guys & if we come up short we will receive the #40-something comp pick for Bryant & another #78 or so for either Bryant or Javy & I will be surprised if even the #40 pick slots into the top 15 prospects so essentially our MiLB system takes a step back AND we lose all of out guys. That just isn't a good risk vs. reward bet for me.. Not when we can start floating out trade proposals & see if anyone bites & we might just Net ourselves a few #2 through #5 prospects that could be ready as early as this year in some cases.
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Post by happtobehere on May 26, 2021 14:38:24 GMT -5
This is a good hypothetical discussion but the Cubs are a half game out of first place right now, there won't be any selling if this continues, it will be more likely they try to bolster the rotation as it should be for a big market team in a pennant race. Nobody would sell in that scenario except maybe the white flags. That would be a major mistake. It would be like the Royals a couple years ago who decided to give it 1 more run and got nothing for it. If we end this season with either just missing the playoffs or a first round exit and all we get are 3 comp picks, it was a major fail by the front office The Nationals gave it "one more run" with Rendon and Strasburg both being free agents at the end of the year... how did that work out for them again?
But it's okay, focus on the negative.
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Post by fine09 on May 26, 2021 15:32:18 GMT -5
That would be a major mistake. It would be like the Royals a couple years ago who decided to give it 1 more run and got nothing for it. If we end this season with either just missing the playoffs or a first round exit and all we get are 3 comp picks, it was a major fail by the front office The Nationals gave it "one more run" with Rendon and Strasburg both being free agents at the end of the year... how did that work out for them again?
But it's okay, focus on the negative.
Well let’s be completely honest here: The Nationals had 3 elite starter pitchers in 2019 ALL with an ERA well over a full run better than EVERY Cub starter this year along with Trea Turner, Anthony Rendon & Juan Soto for starters – all totaled they had (4) players receive MVP votes that year & their worst of the (3) top starters came in 11th. in the Cy young voting (Corbin). The Cubs might have (1) guy with MVP votes this year so there is a “slight” difference between the 2019 Nationals & the 2021 Cubs. I’m not trying to be a smart ass here but this has nothing to do with anyone being negative, it’s just simple statistics & our current reality.
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Post by fine09 on May 26, 2021 15:45:39 GMT -5
Maybe keeping most of this team intact would be best. You are 100% correct for this year for sure. It's the next 3 to 5 years that I'm worried about if we do that & lose everyone for damn near nothing in return.
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Post by happtobehere on May 26, 2021 17:58:40 GMT -5
The Nationals gave it "one more run" with Rendon and Strasburg both being free agents at the end of the year... how did that work out for them again?
But it's okay, focus on the negative.
Well let’s be completely honest here: The Nationals had 3 elite starter pitchers in 2019 ALL with an ERA well over a full run better than EVERY Cub starter this year along with Trea Turner, Anthony Rendon & Juan Soto for starters – all totaled they had (4) players receive MVP votes that year & their worst of the (3) top starters came in 11th. in the Cy young voting (Corbin). The Cubs might have (1) guy with MVP votes this year so there is a “slight” difference between the 2019 Nationals & the 2021 Cubs. I’m not trying to be a smart ass here but this has nothing to do with anyone being negative, it’s just simple statistics & our current reality. How is this for "reality"... at game 47... the Nationals were 9 games UNDER .500. They didn't crack .500 until June 27th.
The Nationals had Trea Turner, Rendon and Soto... but also had Brian Dozier, Matt Adams, Yan Gomes... That isn't any better offensively than what the Cubs are putting on the table. You say the Nationals had a starting rotation that was a full run better... our bullpen is a full two runs better.
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Post by ddevonb on May 26, 2021 18:33:43 GMT -5
Honestly I would be seriously bummed out if they did make these moves right now because there is a chance we really could win the Central this year. But, for long term planning we really should make some of these moves sooner rather than later - unless another division title & then nada is good enough AND we get maybe the 43rd. pick in the draft for KB & then maybe the 77th. pick for Rizzo. Nope - sorry folks but that just isn't good enough & if we do make a big trade or two now or pretty soon we will get substantially more than if we were to wait until July. Most every competitive team needs good Bull pen help right now & we have quite a few guys pitching so far above their career numbers that it is crazy not to package them & get a really nice return because we lose them anyway so why not sell when their value is through the roof. OK, KB is putting up MVP type numbers damn near across the board & is playing 5 or 6 positions very well so now is the time to make some really absurd requests for a return on him & see where it goes. It would be horibly hard to see him go but he really is gone at the seasons end so why not improve the team dramatically for the future now as opposed to waiting & get 1 guy we "hope" might be a starter one day.. Teams might not have a dire need for a great closer right now so maybe waiting a few more weeks until something bad happens to one of the big teams closers but trading Kimbrel seems like a deal that would bring back a ton, similar to Aroldis, especially with his numbers off the charts now & a 16 mil. option for next year as well. Anthony really needs to be dealt in 2 weeks to a month but before he is you sit him down & say we want you back & to retire as a Cub so we will be the winning bidder this winter so don't sell your house.. I can picture him as a Yankee for the remainder of the season pretty easily & he would hate it there so he shouldn't be tempted to want to stay.. Now the "Wants" It might very well take a creative 3-team deal but I 'd really like Clint Frazer from the Yankees for Rizzo & 1 very good BP guy. Send Rizzo & Kimbrel (with 14 million to help with salaries) to Tampa for the #1 prospect in all of MLB Wander Franco. Yes please - but only if you guys really want to win the World Series this year that is.. Or maybe send KB & 2 of the top BP arms for their top guys Gore or Abrams. Also, only if you guys want to beat the Dodgers & go to the World Series.. Like I said, this would suck terribly but it's going to suck even worse if we don't & that sucking might last for years & years.. Fortunately no GM would ever move these players when contending. The notion that they will be the next year or the following years shows that your not following the progress in the system. The Cubs will keep producing good system pitchers and have a lot of home grown pitchers. Since they have an option on Kimbrell for next year, he will be back. They will extend 2 of the big 3 and Brennen Davis will be ready to take over an OF position. There will be no rebuild just transition to more younger players who will keep the winning window wide open.
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Post by thisbuds4u on May 26, 2021 22:08:47 GMT -5
Maybe keeping most of this team intact would be best. You are 100% correct for this year for sure. It's the next 3 to 5 years that I'm worried about if we do that & lose everyone for damn near nothing in return. That will be the same thinking of GMs who would be on the other end of a trade. They will be looking at the long-term implications also. If traded, Baez, Rizzo and Bryant are not eligible for qualifying offers. What will the Cubs expect in return for players who will be free agents? From the Cubs perspective, if they keep all 3, they can give them all qualifying offers which could net them 3 high draft picks if they decline the offers. A good start to building up the farm system. If one or all accepts, it gives both sides time to work out extensions or possibly trades. The Cubs would free up over $47 million to spend on free agents.
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Post by happtobehere on May 26, 2021 23:35:43 GMT -5
Honestly I would be seriously bummed out if they did make these moves right now because there is a chance we really could win the Central this year. But, for long term planning we really should make some of these moves sooner rather than later - unless another division title & then nada is good enough AND we get maybe the 43rd. pick in the draft for KB & then maybe the 77th. pick for Rizzo. Nope - sorry folks but that just isn't good enough & if we do make a big trade or two now or pretty soon we will get substantially more than if we were to wait until July. Most every competitive team needs good Bull pen help right now & we have quite a few guys pitching so far above their career numbers that it is crazy not to package them & get a really nice return because we lose them anyway so why not sell when their value is through the roof. OK, KB is putting up MVP type numbers damn near across the board & is playing 5 or 6 positions very well so now is the time to make some really absurd requests for a return on him & see where it goes. It would be horibly hard to see him go but he really is gone at the seasons end so why not improve the team dramatically for the future now as opposed to waiting & get 1 guy we "hope" might be a starter one day.. Teams might not have a dire need for a great closer right now so maybe waiting a few more weeks until something bad happens to one of the big teams closers but trading Kimbrel seems like a deal that would bring back a ton, similar to Aroldis, especially with his numbers off the charts now & a 16 mil. option for next year as well. Anthony really needs to be dealt in 2 weeks to a month but before he is you sit him down & say we want you back & to retire as a Cub so we will be the winning bidder this winter so don't sell your house.. I can picture him as a Yankee for the remainder of the season pretty easily & he would hate it there so he shouldn't be tempted to want to stay.. Now the "Wants" It might very well take a creative 3-team deal but I 'd really like Clint Frazer from the Yankees for Rizzo & 1 very good BP guy. Send Rizzo & Kimbrel (with 14 million to help with salaries) to Tampa for the #1 prospect in all of MLB Wander Franco. Yes please - but only if you guys really want to win the World Series this year that is.. Or maybe send KB & 2 of the top BP arms for their top guys Gore or Abrams. Also, only if you guys want to beat the Dodgers & go to the World Series.. Like I said, this would suck terribly but it's going to suck even worse if we don't & that sucking might last for years & years.. Fortunately no GM would ever move these players when contending. The notion that they will be the next year or the following years shows that your not following the progress in the system. The Cubs will keep producing good system pitchers and have a lot of home grown pitchers. Since they have an option on Kimbrell for next year, he will be back. They will extend 2 of the big 3 and Brennen Davis will be ready to take over an OF position. There will be no rebuild just transition to more younger players who will keep the winning window wide open. It will be interesting to see what the Cubs do... where they are sitting closer to the trade deadline.
The one move I would strongly consider "emptying" the farm system over (and I use that term loosely, meaning I would trade consider trading Davis or Marquez) is Scherzer AND Turner, and moving Baez in a separate trade. The I would immediately look at extending Turner.
I could see the Nationals being interested in Marquez, Jensen and Perciado as guys to headline the trade and I really think that would shift the scales enough to turn the Cubs into a serious World Series contender. Turner has game changing speed, a knack for getting on base and makes high contact all while playing solid defense at short. You add him up the middle with Hoerner who plays game changing defense and it gives you two high contact guys in the line up batting close to each other (assuming you want to continue batting Nico 8th).
You would have to feel pretty good about your chances with Scherzer and Hendricks game 1 and 2 and with Nico, Turner, Bryant, Rizzo (mixing in Duffy, Sogard and Marsinick in the 9 hole late) to scratch out a couple runs late. Game three, giving the start to Alzolay for two time through the order and turning it over to the pen. Even Davies for two time through the order the way he has been pitching of late gives you a chance to win.
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Post by tehmpus on May 27, 2021 5:52:04 GMT -5
You are 100% correct for this year for sure. It's the next 3 to 5 years that I'm worried about if we do that & lose everyone for damn near nothing in return. That will be the same thinking of GMs who would be on the other end of a trade. They will be looking at the long-term implications also. If traded, Baez, Rizzo and Bryant are not eligible for qualifying offers. What will the Cubs expect in return for players who will be free agents? From the Cubs perspective, if they keep all 3, they can give them all qualifying offers which could net them 3 high draft picks if they decline the offers. A good start to building up the farm system. If one or all accepts, it gives both sides time to work out extensions or possibly trades. The Cubs would free up over $47 million to spend on free agents. As we've discussed before, there is a high probability of a strike after this season. That means that the QO system might be altered prior to us getting more baseball. Players without a contract going into the strike will probably be hurt the most. From other clubs perspectives, the Cubs will obviously be looking for a package value worth more than what a standard QO pick might bring. If that team isn't willing to part with a prospect in that neighborhood, then talks would even really get started.
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Post by fine09 on May 27, 2021 8:24:18 GMT -5
Well let’s be completely honest here: The Nationals had 3 elite starter pitchers in 2019 ALL with an ERA well over a full run better than EVERY Cub starter this year along with Trea Turner, Anthony Rendon & Juan Soto for starters – all totaled they had (4) players receive MVP votes that year & their worst of the (3) top starters came in 11th. in the Cy young voting (Corbin). The Cubs might have (1) guy with MVP votes this year so there is a “slight” difference between the 2019 Nationals & the 2021 Cubs. I’m not trying to be a smart ass here but this has nothing to do with anyone being negative, it’s just simple statistics & our current reality. How is this for "reality"... at game 47... the Nationals were 9 games UNDER .500. They didn't crack .500 until June 27th.
The Nationals had Trea Turner, Rendon and Soto... but also had Brian Dozier, Matt Adams, Yan Gomes... That isn't any better offensively than what the Cubs are putting on the table. You say the Nationals had a starting rotation that was a full run better... our bullpen is a full two runs better.
You are correct about our BP being better - but how much difference does that make if you are down 3 or 4 runs when you make your first call to the pen? I'm not saying it isn't impossible that the Cubs are capable of making a deep playoff run, I'm just saying that the odds are not at all good that it takes place so I'm in favor of a re-tool that doesn't cost us any "give away years" like a rebuild does.
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Post by fine09 on May 27, 2021 8:33:24 GMT -5
Honestly I would be seriously bummed out if they did make these moves right now because there is a chance we really could win the Central this year. But, for long term planning we really should make some of these moves sooner rather than later - unless another division title & then nada is good enough AND we get maybe the 43rd. pick in the draft for KB & then maybe the 77th. pick for Rizzo. Nope - sorry folks but that just isn't good enough & if we do make a big trade or two now or pretty soon we will get substantially more than if we were to wait until July. Most every competitive team needs good Bull pen help right now & we have quite a few guys pitching so far above their career numbers that it is crazy not to package them & get a really nice return because we lose them anyway so why not sell when their value is through the roof. OK, KB is putting up MVP type numbers damn near across the board & is playing 5 or 6 positions very well so now is the time to make some really absurd requests for a return on him & see where it goes. It would be horibly hard to see him go but he really is gone at the seasons end so why not improve the team dramatically for the future now as opposed to waiting & get 1 guy we "hope" might be a starter one day.. Teams might not have a dire need for a great closer right now so maybe waiting a few more weeks until something bad happens to one of the big teams closers but trading Kimbrel seems like a deal that would bring back a ton, similar to Aroldis, especially with his numbers off the charts now & a 16 mil. option for next year as well. Anthony really needs to be dealt in 2 weeks to a month but before he is you sit him down & say we want you back & to retire as a Cub so we will be the winning bidder this winter so don't sell your house.. I can picture him as a Yankee for the remainder of the season pretty easily & he would hate it there so he shouldn't be tempted to want to stay.. Now the "Wants" It might very well take a creative 3-team deal but I 'd really like Clint Frazer from the Yankees for Rizzo & 1 very good BP guy. Send Rizzo & Kimbrel (with 14 million to help with salaries) to Tampa for the #1 prospect in all of MLB Wander Franco. Yes please - but only if you guys really want to win the World Series this year that is.. Or maybe send KB & 2 of the top BP arms for their top guys Gore or Abrams. Also, only if you guys want to beat the Dodgers & go to the World Series.. Like I said, this would suck terribly but it's going to suck even worse if we don't & that sucking might last for years & years.. Fortunately no GM would ever move these players when contending. The notion that they will be the next year or the following years shows that your not following the progress in the system. The Cubs will keep producing good system pitchers and have a lot of home grown pitchers. Since they have an option on Kimbrell for next year, he will be back. They will extend 2 of the big 3 and Brennen Davis will be ready to take over an OF position. There will be no rebuild just transition to more younger players who will keep the winning window wide open. I respectfully disagree. I believe a GM that takes in the big picture will indeed move some of these guys if they feel the return puts us in position to be even better for years to come. I follow our minor leaguers quite a bit & even though we are starting to see progression that doesn't mean that all of the sudden you no longer need more good young players. I hope they do extend Rizzo and Baez but neither you nor I know that this is far from absolute so I am going on the assumption that if we can't then lets cash in with good young controllable players & try to resign them in the offseason. What I am suggesting is far from a rebuild, it is an in season re-tool selling at the highest possible level to get the best possible return. In other words, making good long term business decisions, not emotional ones that may have adverse effects for years..
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Post by fine09 on May 27, 2021 8:38:33 GMT -5
You are 100% correct for this year for sure. It's the next 3 to 5 years that I'm worried about if we do that & lose everyone for damn near nothing in return. That will be the same thinking of GMs who would be on the other end of a trade. They will be looking at the long-term implications also. If traded, Baez, Rizzo and Bryant are not eligible for qualifying offers. What will the Cubs expect in return for players who will be free agents? From the Cubs perspective, if they keep all 3, they can give them all qualifying offers which could net them 3 high draft picks if they decline the offers. A good start to building up the farm system. If one or all accepts, it gives both sides time to work out extensions or possibly trades. The Cubs would free up over $47 million to spend on free agents. If the Cubs lose all 3 at the end of the year they get a mid 40's pick for KB, a late 70's pick for the next guy & then somewhere in the low 100's for the third. It is very unlikely that any of those guys slot in to the top 20 in the minors system. That doesn't do much to bolster the farm in my opinion.
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Post by batman66 on May 27, 2021 9:40:20 GMT -5
They will likely use the 34%% formula to determine Kimbrel Vesting option since 110/324 = 34%. So his finished game will likely be reduced to 76 games to meet the option and in 2020 and he only had 11 (18%) so he needs to finish 65 games this year to turn the team option to a vesting option. Not impossible but a major long shot. Also People have to take into consideration that is not not games pitched but games finished. Kimbrel option is likely going to be a team option, the Cubs are business first and they will make sure he does not make it or not on track by the deadline and use it as extra value if the Cubs do sell. Well if the Cubs have the right to extend him for the 15 mil. (16 mil or 1 mil buyout I believe) that is valuable for us AND any team we were to trade him to. I think that would add great value in trade. The team getting him gets the help they need for the rest of the season and then has him for a free agent year where they could use him and or flip him at the next deadline , so you aren't just getting a rental. And closers usually are the guys netting the bigtime returns at the deadline.
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Post by batman66 on May 27, 2021 9:46:28 GMT -5
On paper they might be far away from looking like a team who could make a deep playoff run. But so far this season despite the ups and downs they've done fairly well against big name ace caliber starting pitchers and if the Cubs pen can hold up how dominating the've been lately and if they are not burned out by then ( their cusrrent workload scares me) all they need is for their starters to keep them in the game and hand it to the pen. I don't know what it is , but even though they have not taken off yet , and might not. This team has a different feeling around them to me this year. I think the team chemistry is better than it's been in a few years and I have a feeling they might surprise people if they get the chance to. I know what you are saying & I sense the same thing. But, & it's a big butt.. Are we willing to risk/bet the next 3 to 5 years production on the Cubs that are hot staying hot & the ones that are struggling to turn it around? I'm really not.. As far as the BP, other than Kimbrel these guys are pretty much all pitching well above their career norms which is unlikely to continue to say the least. My biggest worry is even if we were to bring up another starting pitcher that does really well & the BP does continue to do fairly well there is still the same basic lineup facing good pitching & I have watched them year after year just be completely shut down in the playoffs. If we really want to go for it & see how we can do it is going to cost us a few of our top 15 prospects to deal for a couple guys & if we come up short we will receive the #40-something comp pick for Bryant & another #78 or so for either Bryant or Javy & I will be surprised if even the #40 pick slots into the top 15 prospects so essentially our MiLB system takes a step back AND we lose all of out guys. That just isn't a good risk vs. reward bet for me.. Not when we can start floating out trade proposals & see if anyone bites & we might just Net ourselves a few #2 through #5 prospects that could be ready as early as this year in some cases. I totally agree with you. It may be best to really set up a very nice future by dealing these guys. But I think after winning a WS we as fans got spoiled. We now seem to have the mentality that just making the playoffs isn't good enough and I get that , we expect more now. But if all teams had that mentality that if we are not a top 1 or 2 team or WS favorite then we shouldn't go for it or go all in because we aren't looked at as the best team. The playoffs can be a crap shoot and anything can happen. Look how many years LA was favored before they finally won in a Covid season.
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Post by batman66 on May 27, 2021 9:58:29 GMT -5
Honestly I would be seriously bummed out if they did make these moves right now because there is a chance we really could win the Central this year. But, for long term planning we really should make some of these moves sooner rather than later - unless another division title & then nada is good enough AND we get maybe the 43rd. pick in the draft for KB & then maybe the 77th. pick for Rizzo. Nope - sorry folks but that just isn't good enough & if we do make a big trade or two now or pretty soon we will get substantially more than if we were to wait until July. Most every competitive team needs good Bull pen help right now & we have quite a few guys pitching so far above their career numbers that it is crazy not to package them & get a really nice return because we lose them anyway so why not sell when their value is through the roof. OK, KB is putting up MVP type numbers damn near across the board & is playing 5 or 6 positions very well so now is the time to make some really absurd requests for a return on him & see where it goes. It would be horibly hard to see him go but he really is gone at the seasons end so why not improve the team dramatically for the future now as opposed to waiting & get 1 guy we "hope" might be a starter one day.. Teams might not have a dire need for a great closer right now so maybe waiting a few more weeks until something bad happens to one of the big teams closers but trading Kimbrel seems like a deal that would bring back a ton, similar to Aroldis, especially with his numbers off the charts now & a 16 mil. option for next year as well. Anthony really needs to be dealt in 2 weeks to a month but before he is you sit him down & say we want you back & to retire as a Cub so we will be the winning bidder this winter so don't sell your house.. I can picture him as a Yankee for the remainder of the season pretty easily & he would hate it there so he shouldn't be tempted to want to stay.. Now the "Wants" It might very well take a creative 3-team deal but I 'd really like Clint Frazer from the Yankees for Rizzo & 1 very good BP guy. Send Rizzo & Kimbrel (with 14 million to help with salaries) to Tampa for the #1 prospect in all of MLB Wander Franco. Yes please - but only if you guys really want to win the World Series this year that is.. Or maybe send KB & 2 of the top BP arms for their top guys Gore or Abrams. Also, only if you guys want to beat the Dodgers & go to the World Series.. Like I said, this would suck terribly but it's going to suck even worse if we don't & that sucking might last for years & years.. Fortunately no GM would ever move these players when contending. The notion that they will be the next year or the following years shows that your not following the progress in the system. The Cubs will keep producing good system pitchers and have a lot of home grown pitchers. Since they have an option on Kimbrell for next year, he will be back. They will extend 2 of the big 3 and Brennen Davis will be ready to take over an OF position. There will be no rebuild just transition to more younger players who will keep the winning window wide open. The option on Kimbrel is a vesting option , not a club option or player option and me and others have already discussed the details and parameters of that and it might be difficulr for him to make it to the point it vests. I feel the same way , they will sign 2 of the 3 and they will also have plenty of money left for other signing like a Castellanos signing if he opts out and no rebuild is needed just the gradual influx of home grown talents like Davis, Amaya etc and an occasional trade or FA signings along the way.
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Post by malagacubs on May 27, 2021 11:43:10 GMT -5
I'd like to see Rodon keep pitching like he is. He will be one of the big prizes in FA if the sample size extrapolates to a full season. His stuff has been filthy.
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Post by batman66 on May 27, 2021 13:15:48 GMT -5
I'd like to see Rodon keep pitching like he is. He will be one of the big prizes in FA if the sample size extrapolates to a full season. His stuff has been filthy. With his injury history though. I'd be VERY weary of signing that guy long term.
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Post by happtobehere on May 27, 2021 19:18:13 GMT -5
Fortunately no GM would ever move these players when contending. The notion that they will be the next year or the following years shows that your not following the progress in the system. The Cubs will keep producing good system pitchers and have a lot of home grown pitchers. Since they have an option on Kimbrell for next year, he will be back. They will extend 2 of the big 3 and Brennen Davis will be ready to take over an OF position. There will be no rebuild just transition to more younger players who will keep the winning window wide open. The option on Kimbrel is a vesting option , not a club option or player option and me and others have already discussed the details and parameters of that and it might be difficulr for him to make it to the point it vests. I feel the same way , they will sign 2 of the 3 and they will also have plenty of money left for other signing like a Castellanos signing if he opts out and no rebuild is needed just the gradual influx of home grown talents like Davis, Amaya etc and an occasional trade or FA signings along the way. It's a vesting/CLUB option. If the option vests, the Cubs will have no choice but to pay him 16 million next season. If it does not vest, the Cubs can pay a 1 million dollar buy out or pick up his option.
If the Cubs choose to pick up two players, they would be best served re-signing Bryant and Rizzo. Then target Semien in free agent as a bridge player for their abundance of SS prospects.
Semien is having a fantastic year (again) with Toronto but still will cost less in dollars and years than Baez while providing roughly similar value.
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